Another Famine in Africa
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Would one of the London based members, care to tell us how nice the area around 17 Princess gate SW7 1PZ in Westminster is? . . . would a large building be worth a few million? if so the solution is . . .Starving people - sell embassy and move to cheaper building - feed starving people with proceeds - no need to beg for money from other people
scottdav said:
A proper education encompassing things like psychology, sociology etc. could probably be picked up pretty quickly considering the things they are taught now are on a similar level albeit incredibly barbaric. It really could do wonders for their whole country along with having no worries over food and water.
If you can't spare 3-4mins (well worth it) then just read the snippet below.
If the IMF had acted in its official role, it would have given loans and guided the country to develop in the same way that Britain and the US and every other successful country had developed – by protecting its infant industries, subsidising its farmers, and investing in the education and health of its people.
Proper education encompassing psychology and sociology! Is this so they can understand why the are hungry? I'm sure a loan from the IMF would be used very well if they had a country full of sociology and psychology graduates.If you can't spare 3-4mins (well worth it) then just read the snippet below.
If the IMF had acted in its official role, it would have given loans and guided the country to develop in the same way that Britain and the US and every other successful country had developed – by protecting its infant industries, subsidising its farmers, and investing in the education and health of its people.
Lancs Jag Boy said:
This isn’t going to happen of course, because empires are so yesterday.
The Chinese are spending a huge amount of money in Africa, trying to do just that . . . they want the resources and are sensible enough to swap infrastructure for raw materials, a damn sight more sensible than throwing food / Mercedes cars and lear jets at the problemzollburgers said:
Proper education encompassing psychology and sociology! Is this so they can understand why the are hungry? I'm sure a loan from the IMF would be used very well if they had a country full of sociology and psychology graduates.
If the dosh was used to educate women, rather than buy goodies for the 'leaders', the problem would be well on the way to solving in a generation. Things change once women learn to use contraception as tool. I spent several months in Africa last year and to say there has been a drought for two years is utter b
ks. I have never seen rain like it in my life. The problem is there are no catchment areas.
This may sound very harsh, but the people are corrupt at every level, they have come to rely far too heavily on handouts, they are inherently lazy, uneducated and with a complete lack of purpose to improve their way of life.
I have seen children begging with some horrific injuries inflicted by their own parents so that they will get more money. The children are taken out of school to go and beg off white tourists. The crime is on a scale you would not be able to comprehend. I could go on........
I came to have a deep distrust of most of them and was fully justified in this view.
ks. I have never seen rain like it in my life. The problem is there are no catchment areas.This may sound very harsh, but the people are corrupt at every level, they have come to rely far too heavily on handouts, they are inherently lazy, uneducated and with a complete lack of purpose to improve their way of life.
I have seen children begging with some horrific injuries inflicted by their own parents so that they will get more money. The children are taken out of school to go and beg off white tourists. The crime is on a scale you would not be able to comprehend. I could go on........
I came to have a deep distrust of most of them and was fully justified in this view.
zollburgers said:
Proper education encompassing psychology and sociology! Is this so they can understand why the are hungry?
scottdav said:
A proper education encompassing things like psychology, sociology etc. could probably be picked up pretty quickly considering the things they are taught now are on a similar level albeit incredibly barbaric. It really could do wonders for their whole country along with having no worries over food and water.
So they stop being tribal and believing such things as if they cut a kids ball sack off and let a spirit guy 'use' it on them they become rich. Yes it does happen along with many other things. Fresh parts are best and only work if the person is still alive when the object is removed including things like lips and genitalia. The more they scream the more powerful the items are and if they die before it's removed they just walk off to find someone else.Joke all you want but it's a very messed up country.
Edited by scottdav on Tuesday 5th July 23:58
If we sent books and expertise in the 80's instead of money, I wonder how different things would look today?
If one country solves it's food, water and infastructure problems, do it's neighbours try to learn and benefit or fight and steal?
Africa has gone backwards since de-imperialization. We didn't help with some of our actions, however some positive influence is better than no positive influence.
If one country solves it's food, water and infastructure problems, do it's neighbours try to learn and benefit or fight and steal?
Africa has gone backwards since de-imperialization. We didn't help with some of our actions, however some positive influence is better than no positive influence.
iv worked with people who have been to africa to try and help them.
one was with a water aid project who was going to set up irrigation systems.
the charity provided equipment, materials and expertise and only asked the local people for labour.
the locals refused to do any work unless they got paid. the charity said they couldn't pay them as theres no money and the locals then decided to rob/steal everything they could from the project.
another was driving a vehicle that got ambushed and he was shot and left for dead for his watch. luckly he survived but the other charity worker with him died on the scene.
both of these people now are the first to say "f#ck em" whenever an african appeal comes on telly.
as long as they cling on to backwards ideals the continent will always be in the st.
one was with a water aid project who was going to set up irrigation systems.
the charity provided equipment, materials and expertise and only asked the local people for labour.
the locals refused to do any work unless they got paid. the charity said they couldn't pay them as theres no money and the locals then decided to rob/steal everything they could from the project.
another was driving a vehicle that got ambushed and he was shot and left for dead for his watch. luckly he survived but the other charity worker with him died on the scene.
both of these people now are the first to say "f#ck em" whenever an african appeal comes on telly.
as long as they cling on to backwards ideals the continent will always be in the s
t.It's like a broken record - when I was born (1950) half the world was starving, the other half had the money, the greed, the power, and were fighting wars or each other.
Nothing changes.
This image above was taken in the late 1960s... I was 18 years old.
All we read and heard about was the plight of the Biafrans in the blockade during the Biafra/Nigerian civil war.
A million civilians died in the fighting and from famine.
Could easily be a photo from Ethiopia this week.
Nothing changes.
Nothing changes.
This image above was taken in the late 1960s... I was 18 years old.
All we read and heard about was the plight of the Biafrans in the blockade during the Biafra/Nigerian civil war.
A million civilians died in the fighting and from famine.
Could easily be a photo from Ethiopia this week.
Nothing changes.
Edited by dandarez on Wednesday 6th July 01:24
carmonk said:
Tsippy said:
carmonk said:
TimJMS said:
It may also surprise you to learn (it shocked me) that in the short time since Live Aid, the population of Ethiopia has doubled.
And therein lies the problem. The healthier people are the more children they have and the more children survive to have even more children which the land can't support.As sad as these images are, maybe ending aid to areas like this will allow a natural balance to return and a lower future death toll?
k it I hate em bothmost africans put status items above their own children.
seveal times iv seen children dying of hunger but the parents own 30 cattle but the wont kill a cow because having 30 cows means he looks a big man.
same can be said for the jewlery ect.
more time farming and less time making lip plates!!!!!!!!!
seveal times iv seen children dying of hunger but the parents own 30 cattle but the wont kill a cow because having 30 cows means he looks a big man.
same can be said for the jewlery ect.
more time farming and less time making lip plates!!!!!!!!!
dudleybloke said:
as long as they cling on to backwards ideals the continent will always be in the st.
Which will be forever unless the youth are educated on normal or acceptable behavior. Right now killing for some of them is as normal as for us to go to the shop. In 20 years time the current babies will be doing the same, they can not help themselves. Children that do try to escape often end up trapped in 'gangs' or slavery/ prostitution/ abusive homes whereas lucky ones end up in decent homes or back to their family for all manor of punishments.t.I deal a lot in Ethiopia and Western Africa and was (am) absolutely staggered at the displays of wealth in these countries and at the same time the absolute desperate poverty.
I'm bored of Africa, I'm bored of the world trying, an failing to help Africa. Virtually everyone is in it for themselves and now the Chinese are moving in, it's even worse.
Nothing will ever change there, good money after bad and i'm just sorry for the little man.
I'm bored of Africa, I'm bored of the world trying, an failing to help Africa. Virtually everyone is in it for themselves and now the Chinese are moving in, it's even worse.
Nothing will ever change there, good money after bad and i'm just sorry for the little man.
Breed like flies
Live like flies
Die like flies
Nothing will change, fk Geldof and Bono, they are just self-publicising wkers who will just jump on the latest bandwagon to support their own agenda.
I've worked in West Africa, you can't turn a horse into a cow, it will take many generations before these people can even think for themselves.
Live like flies
Die like flies
Nothing will change, f
k Geldof and Bono, they are just self-publicising wkers who will just jump on the latest bandwagon to support their own agenda.I've worked in West Africa, you can't turn a horse into a cow, it will take many generations before these people can even think for themselves.
My Mum was born in the 1930's and can remember "collecting pennies for the starving black children" when she was going to school in rural ireland!
enforced vasectomy of a percentage of the population?
stick some sort of sterility product / whatever into the aid food?
introduce myxamatosis into the community ... no wait, that didnt work in New Zeeland did it ...
It is a terrible thing, but other countries have been trying to assist for decades and still the situation the same, if they cannot or will not learn ....
enforced vasectomy of a percentage of the population?
stick some sort of sterility product / whatever into the aid food?
introduce myxamatosis into the community ... no wait, that didnt work in New Zeeland did it ...
It is a terrible thing, but other countries have been trying to assist for decades and still the situation the same, if they cannot or will not learn ....
Lancs Jag Boy said:
It's not a fashionable point of view, but French, British & Belgian Colonies with direct rule would (did) actually deliver education, investment in idustry and infrastructure, sustainable and robust agriculutre and law and order. In many African countries infrastructure investment ended the day after independence.
This isn’t going to happen of course, because empires are so yesterday.
To be fair, when colonies became untenable we did just fThis isn’t going to happen of course, because empires are so yesterday.
k off removing all the sensible leadership leaving a power vacuum to be filled by whatever corrupt incompetent got there first.(AFAIK) There's enough food to feed the population, but due to corruption and incompetence no one plans for the droughts. Or if they do the leaders flog the grain stores to line their own pockets, and in times of plenty the excess grain is left to rot in the fields because the market price collapses due to oversupply.
And there's a huge contraceptive programme that's well received.
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