You're in the armed forces, and they want you to do WHAT?
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Schemeing damned socialist!!! He joined up so he is a sailor first and foremost! and refusing to go on a weapons course... lazy barsteward. If he was a real conciencious objector he'd never have signed up in the first place....
Refusing a legal order, convicted, 7 months in Colchester, that'll sort the little fecker out. Then dishonourable discharge...
hopefully he'll be of some use later.......
Refusing a legal order, convicted, 7 months in Colchester, that'll sort the little fecker out. Then dishonourable discharge...
hopefully he'll be of some use later.......
I saw this story in a newspaper yesterday, and let me tell you, for someone like myself who is still serving (just about) it is very embarrassing.
ALL RN personnel are required to be rifle trained, which involves an annual shoot (NAPWT) and a monthly weapons handling test. We are also baton trained like much of the Armed Forces.
This fat scranbag sounds like he just making up excuses for not wanting to do his annual shoot, maybe it was raining or something, the poor diddums
To make matters worse, he is a submariner, who has hardly any chance at all of going to 'Ganners, unlike that little lassie medic who won the MC.
I also find it ironic that he seemed happy to go to sea in half a billion pounds worth of nuclear-powered killing machine, but has objections to the war in Afghan? Strange!
Still, at least he might lose a bit of weight in the glasshouse, and probably his virginity too
ALL RN personnel are required to be rifle trained, which involves an annual shoot (NAPWT) and a monthly weapons handling test. We are also baton trained like much of the Armed Forces.
This fat scranbag sounds like he just making up excuses for not wanting to do his annual shoot, maybe it was raining or something, the poor diddums
To make matters worse, he is a submariner, who has hardly any chance at all of going to 'Ganners, unlike that little lassie medic who won the MC.
I also find it ironic that he seemed happy to go to sea in half a billion pounds worth of nuclear-powered killing machine, but has objections to the war in Afghan? Strange!
Still, at least he might lose a bit of weight in the glasshouse, and probably his virginity too
BoRED S2upid said:
Send him out there without a rifle then see how quickly he changes his mind when bullets are wizzing past his head.
Trouble is, stupid as it sounds, you can't actually physically force him to get on a plane. As I've said before there is a pretty robust discipline system which seems to have worked in this case. There is no place for people like this in the military and I hope his life is a misery in prison. There is one of these cases every few years and the individuals involved make me sick. The last one I remember was an RAF officer who didn't want to go to Iraq. They are happy to take the money when the going is good, and happy to let every other bugger shoulder their burden when the money has to be earned.
When he gets to MCTC two things are likely to happen:
1. He will be beasted until he is so sweaty that his eyeballs slip out. This happens to everyone, but chummy will like it less than most.
2. He will get a very hard time from the other Servicemen Under Sentence. A lot of them are basically good soldiers who are in there for having f
ked up - often on the beer after finishing a tour - and who will go back to their units as better soldiers. They will not approve of him.
When he gets to MCTC two things are likely to happen:
1. He will be beasted until he is so sweaty that his eyeballs slip out. This happens to everyone, but chummy will like it less than most.
2. He will get a very hard time from the other Servicemen Under Sentence. A lot of them are basically good soldiers who are in there for having f
ked up - often on the beer after finishing a tour - and who will go back to their units as better soldiers. They will not approve of him.Edited by BruceV8 on Wednesday 6th July 17:33
BruceV8 said:
There is one of these cases every few years and the individuals involved make me sick. The last one I remember was an RAF officer who didn't want to go to Iraq. They are happy to take the money when the going is good, and happy to let every other bugger shoulder their burden when the money has to be earned.
When he gets to MCTC two things are likely to happen:
1. He will be beasted until he is so sweaty that his eyeballs slip out. This happens to everyone, but chummy will like it less than most.
2. He will get a very hard time from the other Servicemen Under Sentence. A lot of them are basically good soldiers who are in there for having fked up - often on the beer after finishing a tour - and who will go back to their units as better soldiers. They will not approve of him.
What happens if he refuses to march or double or whatever?When he gets to MCTC two things are likely to happen:
1. He will be beasted until he is so sweaty that his eyeballs slip out. This happens to everyone, but chummy will like it less than most.
2. He will get a very hard time from the other Servicemen Under Sentence. A lot of them are basically good soldiers who are in there for having f
ked up - often on the beer after finishing a tour - and who will go back to their units as better soldiers. They will not approve of him.Edited by BruceV8 on Wednesday 6th July 17:33
Does he get beaten until he complies?
ExChrispy Porker said:
BruceV8 said:
There is one of these cases every few years and the individuals involved make me sick. The last one I remember was an RAF officer who didn't want to go to Iraq. They are happy to take the money when the going is good, and happy to let every other bugger shoulder their burden when the money has to be earned.
When he gets to MCTC two things are likely to happen:
1. He will be beasted until he is so sweaty that his eyeballs slip out. This happens to everyone, but chummy will like it less than most.
2. He will get a very hard time from the other Servicemen Under Sentence. A lot of them are basically good soldiers who are in there for having fked up - often on the beer after finishing a tour - and who will go back to their units as better soldiers. They will not approve of him.
What happens if he refuses to march or double or whatever?When he gets to MCTC two things are likely to happen:
1. He will be beasted until he is so sweaty that his eyeballs slip out. This happens to everyone, but chummy will like it less than most.
2. He will get a very hard time from the other Servicemen Under Sentence. A lot of them are basically good soldiers who are in there for having f
ked up - often on the beer after finishing a tour - and who will go back to their units as better soldiers. They will not approve of him.Edited by BruceV8 on Wednesday 6th July 17:33
Does he get beaten until he complies?
A picture tells a thousand words?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jul/05/navy-medi...
Though I can see how a medic could be conflicted by not being allowed to treat local civilians.
Any serving folks wish to put some meat on the bones of that scenario? The article doesnt really explain it.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jul/05/navy-medi...
Though I can see how a medic could be conflicted by not being allowed to treat local civilians.
Any serving folks wish to put some meat on the bones of that scenario? The article doesnt really explain it.
Reardy Mister said:
A picture tells a thousand words?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jul/05/navy-medi...
Though I can see how a medic could be conflicted by not being allowed to treat local civilians.
Any serving folks wish to put some meat on the bones of that scenario? The article doesnt really explain it.
Casualties are treated on the on the basis of their injuries and not whether they are civilian or military. If a civilian or indeed the enemy were injured more severely than one of our own soldiers they would be treated first. The Geneva convention will explain more on this. This is of course how we are taught, but what happens in the field is possibly a different matter - I'm not suggesting that I have ever seen anyone not obeying this rule.http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jul/05/navy-medi...
Though I can see how a medic could be conflicted by not being allowed to treat local civilians.
Any serving folks wish to put some meat on the bones of that scenario? The article doesnt really explain it.
I can tell you from experience that civilian/enemy casualties are treated exactly the same having spent some time in a medical facility myself.
I doubt very very much if an instructor or officer would say it's a waste of resources.
He's no stranger to a fish supper, is he? The big fat cake detection unit. I'll wager that most of those pounds will have been shed by the time he next finds himself on the platform at Colchester Station.
As for not treating civilian casualties, as stated above, absolute horse st. Medical decisions are made on medical grounds alone, regardless of who the casualty is.
As for not treating civilian casualties, as stated above, absolute horse s
t. Medical decisions are made on medical grounds alone, regardless of who the casualty is. I am not in the military, chronic illness and i cant count for RAF lol.
However i have the greatest respect and admiriation for our armed forces, and i got the military fitness army book after a friend recomended it, i havent started it yet, but reading it its an excellent resource.
The thing that made me think is, he is a rather portly chap, how in the hell can you get to that size if you have to comply to military fitness standards, okay i get lapping a astute class sub wont exactly she dthe beef, but shirley he must get in bother from staff if he isn't keeping it down??
At least the wee (portly) fecker will get a good long hard think (along with some other long hard things! lol) in military porridge, its a disgrace that people think that they can not carry out the requirements of the service as it pleases them, as someone else stated, its the 'Armed' Forces!
I know many in TA and a few in the proper forces and they are all outstanding chaps, always helpful and have a good sense of humour, this one is better off out of it!
However i have the greatest respect and admiriation for our armed forces, and i got the military fitness army book after a friend recomended it, i havent started it yet, but reading it its an excellent resource.
The thing that made me think is, he is a rather portly chap, how in the hell can you get to that size if you have to comply to military fitness standards, okay i get lapping a astute class sub wont exactly she dthe beef, but shirley he must get in bother from staff if he isn't keeping it down??
At least the wee (portly) fecker will get a good long hard think (along with some other long hard things! lol) in military porridge, its a disgrace that people think that they can not carry out the requirements of the service as it pleases them, as someone else stated, its the 'Armed' Forces!
I know many in TA and a few in the proper forces and they are all outstanding chaps, always helpful and have a good sense of humour, this one is better off out of it!
Part of me actually empathises with him. After all he joined up as a Navy Medic and later (probably) would have volunteered for submarine service. Now this to me means his career choice and job description was to medically help and possibly save life, in a blue suit at sea or in his case under the sea. All of a sudden no doubt because of the massive over stretching and under funding of the armed forces he gets dicked to put on body armour and combats, deploy to a land locked desert and get shot at. Not really what he signed up for is it?
I can empathise because I know several Navy Clearance Divers who joined up as divers and trained in eod and mine clearance work, their job is to obviously dive and to make safe explosives either on board navy ships or below the high water mark. However because they complete a joint service eod course and qualify on the same course as army engineers and loggies they are now finding themselves being deployed to afghan and being positioned in the highest risk of harms way, luckily most of them view life as an adventure and relish the deployment but it's not what they signed up for. Actually I could totally understand if one of them turned round and said "sod that it's not what I joined up for" and would never call one of them a coward for it, it often takes a braver man to make a stand.
The bottom line is that if the armed forces were properly financed, manned, equipped, and trained for what is currently being asked of them we wouldn't have a situation where a sailor with a red cross on his arm is being asked (or told) to dodge bullets in a desert, we'd have enough army medics to meet the commitment and Jack would be perfectly happy in his submarine. It's horses for courses and he should not be blamed, the blame should be on consecutive piss pot governments that have under funded and over stretched the armed forces.
I can empathise because I know several Navy Clearance Divers who joined up as divers and trained in eod and mine clearance work, their job is to obviously dive and to make safe explosives either on board navy ships or below the high water mark. However because they complete a joint service eod course and qualify on the same course as army engineers and loggies they are now finding themselves being deployed to afghan and being positioned in the highest risk of harms way, luckily most of them view life as an adventure and relish the deployment but it's not what they signed up for. Actually I could totally understand if one of them turned round and said "sod that it's not what I joined up for" and would never call one of them a coward for it, it often takes a braver man to make a stand.
The bottom line is that if the armed forces were properly financed, manned, equipped, and trained for what is currently being asked of them we wouldn't have a situation where a sailor with a red cross on his arm is being asked (or told) to dodge bullets in a desert, we'd have enough army medics to meet the commitment and Jack would be perfectly happy in his submarine. It's horses for courses and he should not be blamed, the blame should be on consecutive piss pot governments that have under funded and over stretched the armed forces.
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