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So rather than spread out true asylum seekers across Europe/other countries (which really happens, not the Daily Mail version), we should just stick them all in camps over the boarder from whence they came? Very easy to say when your cosied up in front of your PC and never seen the real world outside of your middle class suburban existence...
My family did some work for the Jewish refugees before the war. Not money as we were the level of cardboard box in the road. And 'aunt' - probably a cousin, it was difficult to say then and even worse now - put up Jewish families, normally women with kids, as their husbands, if they had them with them, went out to look for work.
After the war my father helped with Polish refugees. There was some form of financial or political help - I'm speaking from memory - but thee were volunteer groups. My father did some work for them as he fought alonside them in the middle of the war, just before they shot him in the head. It's a long story.
The first I heard of it was after he died when a when a number of Poles wrote to me and some came to his funeral.
The Poles and Jews who came to this country either side of the war should, of course, have been sent back to their own countries. Bloody foreigners.
Before the war there were quotas around the world for Jewish refugees despite the fact that the intent and indeed actions of the Germans was well known and documented. Virtually all countries never came anywhere near their full quotas and some countries banned Jews entirely despite still being open to 'white' immigration. Only one country in all the world actually doubled its quota. That was Britain.
I'm pleased with what my country and my family did for refugees. I'd say proud but I did nothing so can't accept any of the praise. I used to work in a largely Jewish area of London and they were the most patriotic of Britains I ever met. They were still grateful for the consideration shown by this country. I had a tea-stop with one elderly couple who had come to this country as refugees before the war. The woman said that I did not realise how lucky I was to live in Britain. She called us an example to the world.
If you go through the history books you will see many of our great and good were indeed immigrants or children of.
After the war my father helped with Polish refugees. There was some form of financial or political help - I'm speaking from memory - but thee were volunteer groups. My father did some work for them as he fought alonside them in the middle of the war, just before they shot him in the head. It's a long story.
The first I heard of it was after he died when a when a number of Poles wrote to me and some came to his funeral.
The Poles and Jews who came to this country either side of the war should, of course, have been sent back to their own countries. Bloody foreigners.
Before the war there were quotas around the world for Jewish refugees despite the fact that the intent and indeed actions of the Germans was well known and documented. Virtually all countries never came anywhere near their full quotas and some countries banned Jews entirely despite still being open to 'white' immigration. Only one country in all the world actually doubled its quota. That was Britain.
I'm pleased with what my country and my family did for refugees. I'd say proud but I did nothing so can't accept any of the praise. I used to work in a largely Jewish area of London and they were the most patriotic of Britains I ever met. They were still grateful for the consideration shown by this country. I had a tea-stop with one elderly couple who had come to this country as refugees before the war. The woman said that I did not realise how lucky I was to live in Britain. She called us an example to the world.
If you go through the history books you will see many of our great and good were indeed immigrants or children of.
Derek Smith said:
I used to work in a largely Jewish area of London and they were the most patriotic of Britains I ever met. They were still grateful for the consideration shown by this country.
And there me old chum is the rub.Come one, come all, but each must make his home here, and make his contribution to society.
Surely?
Soovy said:
ChiChoAndy said:
The thong I don't get is that we don't have any countries bordering us that would have people who genuinely need asylum from, (except Scotland, and maybe Wales), so the question I always end up asking is why do they bypass all sorts of countries to get here? If it's the flight they happen to be on as a last gasp or something, fine. But traveling by truck over 20 countries, and getting to the UK, and asking for asylum seems disingenuous.
We hand out free money, free healthcare and free f
king houses.It's that simple.
ked in this particular situation is that we hand out more, easier and for longer than anyone else. We, the UK, are the Golden Goose for immigration / asylum seekers. We are the 458 of the immigration and asylum seeker world.ETA.....If you're coming here to work, I welcome you with open arms. How can 500000 eastern Europeans find jobs when there are c.2m unemployed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eric Mc said:
To be honest, what caused the problem was your apparent support of the BNP - which, apart from being a joke party, is no joke.
As for why the UK is popular, I think that the English language has a lot to do with it. Many people have English as a second or third language so going somewhere where English is spioken makes that place attractive.
Having said that, Italy, France and Germany all have their immigration problems too. Britain is not unique in Europe.
So why are there so many immigrants coming here who cannot speak nor understand a word of English?As for why the UK is popular, I think that the English language has a lot to do with it. Many people have English as a second or third language so going somewhere where English is spioken makes that place attractive.
Having said that, Italy, France and Germany all have their immigration problems too. Britain is not unique in Europe.
The language barrier does not stop them getting their freebies and that never seems to be a problem for them.
Soovy said:
We hand out free money, free healthcare and free fking houses.
It's that simple.
So do other EU countries. At the moment France has a huge problem becuase of North Africans using the Arab Spring as a reason to leave for France.king houses.It's that simple.
Our problem is that we speak English. And guess what - people from other countries speak English too. Yes - even refugees and asylum seekers.
If you were seeking asylum wouldn't you try and do it in a country where you could speak the language - don't you think it would give you more opportunity?
This whole line about us handing out free money and free houses to anyone turns up is b
ks. The line that we are the only country who do it is bks.The idea that we are swamped with immigration is b
ks - Greece, France and Italy have it far worse.The vast majority of the opinions on here seem to be totally and utterly informed by reading the Daily f
king Mail. You lot should know better.Eric Mc said:
To be honest, what caused the problem was your apparent support of the BNP - which, apart from being a joke party, is no joke.
As for why the UK is popular, I think that the English language has a lot to do with it. Many people have English as a second or third language so going somewhere where English is spioken makes that place attractive.
Having said that, Italy, France and Germany all have their immigration problems too. Britain is not unique in Europe.
Why is the BNP a joke party? They have strong beliefs & want to look after the British Citizen. Is that so bad?As for why the UK is popular, I think that the English language has a lot to do with it. Many people have English as a second or third language so going somewhere where English is spioken makes that place attractive.
Having said that, Italy, France and Germany all have their immigration problems too. Britain is not unique in Europe.
boobles said:
Eric Mc said:
To be honest, what caused the problem was your apparent support of the BNP - which, apart from being a joke party, is no joke.
As for why the UK is popular, I think that the English language has a lot to do with it. Many people have English as a second or third language so going somewhere where English is spioken makes that place attractive.
Having said that, Italy, France and Germany all have their immigration problems too. Britain is not unique in Europe.
Why is the BNP a joke party? They have strong beliefs & want to look after the British Citizen. Is that so bad?As for why the UK is popular, I think that the English language has a lot to do with it. Many people have English as a second or third language so going somewhere where English is spioken makes that place attractive.
Having said that, Italy, France and Germany all have their immigration problems too. Britain is not unique in Europe.
Mr Gearchange said:
So do other EU countries. At the moment France has a huge problem becuase of North Africans using the Arab Spring as a reason to leave for France.
Our problem is that we speak English. And guess what - people from other countries speak English too. Yes - even refugees and asylum seekers.
If you were seeking asylum wouldn't you try and do it in a country where you could speak the language - don't you think it would give you more opportunity?
This whole line about us handing out free money and free houses to anyone turns up is bks. The line that we are the only country who do it is bks.
The idea that we are swamped with immigration is bks - Greece, France and Italy have it far worse.
The vast majority of the opinions on here seem to be totally and utterly informed by reading the Daily fking Mail. You lot should know better.
My shift pulled a number of economic migrants off a container at Gatwick. This in 2000 and now they could come in quite legally.Our problem is that we speak English. And guess what - people from other countries speak English too. Yes - even refugees and asylum seekers.
If you were seeking asylum wouldn't you try and do it in a country where you could speak the language - don't you think it would give you more opportunity?
This whole line about us handing out free money and free houses to anyone turns up is b
ks. The line that we are the only country who do it is bks.The idea that we are swamped with immigration is b
ks - Greece, France and Italy have it far worse.The vast majority of the opinions on here seem to be totally and utterly informed by reading the Daily f
king Mail. You lot should know better.They were in a bit of a state and only one could speak reasonable English. Immigration weren't that bothered, just telling them to turn up when they felt like it. We had taken them to the nick to wash. My lads had made them coffee and tea, shared their sarnies and, with a touch of generosity not known in any other sphere of his professional conduct, the superintendent had shared his posh biscuits, used for entertainment of equally posh people, or would have done had he known.
I was chatting to the English speaking bloke asking them why they had stayed in the conditions in the container when they had been through four other EEC countries: Italy, Germany, Belgium and France. He pointed to the cup of tea he was holding and asked if I realised that in any of the other countries they would not have been watered, let alone fed. No officials would have shared their food with them and they might well have been beaten.
The thing is we live in a civilised country. Police do not generally beat people (any more). When we see people in distress, even when caused by themselves, we help them in general. I saw a statistic some years ago now about which individuals give most to charities and the British came out at the top.
These chaps came from a country where their families were underfed although not at risk any more of being harmed. They were coming to this country to work to send money back home. I had to say that had the boot been on the other foot I know that I hope I had the bottle to do what they did.
We are very civilised in this country. Most people have high standards of conduct. That can't be switched off. So there's a cost for you not being beaten by the police everytime you are arrested. Of not having to pay bribes just to be treated as you should be.
Mr Gearchange said:
boobles said:
Why is the BNP a joke party? They have strong beliefs & want to look after the British Citizen. Is that so bad?
If you are going to troll at least try and make it more subtle.
Brilliant, keep up the good work.
All of my family are Irish, I was the only one born here in England. Oh well!
So be careful what you call for.
In earlier times the Irish in Britain often suffered at the hands of the "native" Brits (even though, on the whole, they integrated fairly well).
With immigration being of a more global nature than in previous eras, the Irish have become less of an issue.
In earlier times the Irish in Britain often suffered at the hands of the "native" Brits (even though, on the whole, they integrated fairly well).
With immigration being of a more global nature than in previous eras, the Irish have become less of an issue.
Moved here in the 80s. Pah. It appears my family has been exclusively English since the 1500s!
However, in the last 500 years it appears we achieved the sum total of sod all of any note. More immigrants have achieved more impressive things in the last 100 years than my family did in 500 I suspect.
So immigrants, get your passport stamped, come in and start paying tax. Saves me having to do it.
However, in the last 500 years it appears we achieved the sum total of sod all of any note. More immigrants have achieved more impressive things in the last 100 years than my family did in 500 I suspect.
So immigrants, get your passport stamped, come in and start paying tax. Saves me having to do it.
Eric Mc said:
Rude-boy said:
Sometimes I find it just easier hating everyone.
At least it's non-discrminatory.
Feeling a mardy sod today.
Tomorrow I will feel much better and will most likely be offering my garden shed for the housing of deserving immigrants.
Seriously though I could not give a monkeys about skin colour, gender, religion, etc. you’re either a good guy or a little s
t on the whole and I'm happy to share my homeland with the former, even if they might have crossed more boarders for safety that they really needed to. The latter though can take a long walk off a short plank for all I care, we already have enough ****s in this fair Isle without the need to import any more.Derek Smith said:
The Poles and Jews who came to this country either side of the war should, of course, have been sent back to their own countries. Bloody foreigners.
I realise you're trying to be ironic, but they were proper asylum seekers who definitely needed asylum and this country was definitely the first 'safe' place they could ask for asylum. Very different from economic migrants who aren't facing death camps in the home country and do pass through many safe countries before arriving here to claim asylum as the majority are now.Eric Mc said:
As for why the UK is popular, I think that the English language has a lot to do with it. Many people have English as a second or third language so going somewhere where English is spioken makes that place attractive.
Having said that, Italy, France and Germany all have their immigration problems too. Britain is not unique in Europe.
This country is popular to asylum seekers and those who portray to be them, because of the English language? Having said that, Italy, France and Germany all have their immigration problems too. Britain is not unique in Europe.
I like that, that's a new one!
Do you not go out?
As for the immigration problems in the other countries you mention, of course they have them.
But they deal with them like this:
ENGLAND? ....That way!
Bing o said:
So rather than spread out true asylum seekers across Europe/other countries (which really happens, not the Daily Mail version), we should just stick them all in camps over the boarder from whence they came? Very easy to say when your cosied up in front of your PC and never seen the real world outside of your middle class suburban existence...
No, we should investigate their claims in the first safe country they reach. If they are genuine then distribute them, if not return them. If they have sailed past safe country after safe country on the way to Britain, I doubt they are terrified for their lives.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff