Major explosion/bomb in Oslo

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Colonial said:

AJS- said:

If that's directed at me, I'm not condoning it. I'm saying that the governments implied condoning of Al Quaeda's tactics have made such things more likely from other groups.

Not directed at anyone in particular, but of the group it could be directed at potentially, you are the least likely to have it directed to you, if that makes any form of sense.

I'm not condoning either action. It is more a comment on how odd some threads get. Actions which directly target civilians rather than military personnel do get a very different treatment on this forum, depending on an individuals own bias.

The lesson learnt here is one that should have been known already, an open political debate is much to prefer than total suppression and acts of violence. Understanding why this happened does not equal condoning it.

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Colonial said:

I agree completely.

My question is not about shutting down this debate. It is why understanding this is fine, when understanding Muslim terrorists attacks is just bleeding heart left wing nonsense?

I suppose it's easier to understand, and keep track of the reasons behind this attack, since they are fresh in history.

To even begin to understand AQ and keep track of their reasons one has to go a long way back in history, the various oil crisis, the birth of Israel and not least a total opposite view on culture, life and religion.

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davepoth said:

Finlandia said:

I suppose it's easier to understand, and keep track of the reasons behind this attack, since they are fresh in history.

To even begin to understand AQ and keep track of their reasons one has to go a long way back in history, the various oil crisis, the birth of Israel and not least a total opposite view on culture, life and religion.

Keep going further back. The emnity between Islam and "Christianity" (the West) goes to the very beginning of Islam.

True, people have always been at war with others, be it over religion, land, minerals or whatever reason they can think of. As long as money matters and religion dictates we will never see true peace from war and terror.

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caraddict said:

Yes, I knew Norwegians were close as a group, but I had no idea how united Norwegians could be. One of Norways great writers once said: "We are so few, in this country. Every fallen is either a brother or a friend".

One only has to watch Norway and the people on 17th of May to realise how proud and united you are, no such scenes on 6th of June here...

Not trying to sound trollish or so, but could you as a Norrbagge shed any light on the political debating and aspects of immigration and political correctness in Norway? I imagine it being somewhat better than in Sweden, but still not open either, or am I totally off?

Great photos by the way.

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Shay HTFC said:

Don't you think theres a difference though. I'm sure if a national tragedy happened here, people would be filling the streets too.

Sadly no, Sweden is too devided.

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caraddict said:

Finlandia said:

One only has to watch Norway and the people on 17th of May to realise how proud and united you are, no such scenes on 6th of June here...

Not trying to sound trollish or so, but could you as a Norrbagge shed any light on the political debating and aspects of immigration and political correctness in Norway? I imagine it being somewhat better than in Sweden, but still not open either, or am I totally off?

Great photos by the way.

I don't feel I know enough to give you an opinion on whether the debate has changed or not. There was a lot of questioning regarding the high level of political correctness - as in many European countries.

The main debate going on right now is if the level of censorship on online newspapers etc. is too high for our own good. Like if "harsh" opinions are censored/removed from public debates then they often start happening in online places where there are only extreme opinions with no one to challenge them or moderate them.
A. B. Breivik was active on these kind of sites and those were one of his main channels for inspiration. It's in the human nature to absorb your surroundings values, so I guess that's what he did IMHO...

Personally I feel both sides need to rethink the way of debating. It seems that one side goes full on about how Europe is on fire, how the government want every bad thing to happen etc. etc., while the other side raises the racism card way too early in every debate and don't really listen to the right sides arguments properly. It's pretty tiring - equally from both sides. I hope both sides realize that they need to change the way of dialogue.

Edited by caraddict on Wednesday 25th April 19:43

Thanks, that is pretty much as I thought/feared it would be. Politicians take note, as long as there is a fairly open debate, there is hope of a peaceful solution.

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21 years, and "storage/custody". After the 21 years have passed, a custody of five years is added if he is still deemed to be dangerous, after that another five years and another.