Public sector pension announcement
Discussion
As I voluntarily pay a higher proportion of my salary for (I'm expecting) a worse pension, I'm finding it hard to sympathise. I heard this on the radio this AM and wondered why the unions had been making such a fuss.
Still, I'm betting there won't be another teachers' strike for, oh, let's say, five weeks?
Still, I'm betting there won't be another teachers' strike for, oh, let's say, five weeks?
Pondered Scrotum said:
The difference is the quick willingness to lump me and mine with the wothless non-jobbers hanging round the public sector who are the ones earning the big bucks
no one here did that. big difference between getting shot at in afganistan for 17k a year and doing some s
t for the council on 100k. we all know who should have a decent pension to look forward to.miniman said:
Prove me wrong.
Army Officer. No contribution to pension, no union at all and a seemingly toothless 'federation' = no say in how I'm bent over and f
ked by the Government.And before you start
it's a quiet week in my (very Office based - they lied when they said it wasn't just another office job. Everyone gets a desk eventually 
that's part of the reason I'll be off sooner rather than later) part of the Army. Not many Taliban round my end, you see. The enemies that I deal with aren't Taliban at all...fbrs said:
Pondered Scrotum said:
The difference is the quick willingness to lump me and mine with the wothless non-jobbers hanging round the public sector who are the ones earning the big bucks
no one here did that. big difference between getting shot at in afganistan for 17k a year and doing some st for the council on 100k. we all know who should have a decent pension to look forward to.t for the council on £100k per year! The soldiers, the police, the street sweepers, the librarians...all of lumped in with the morons who rob every one of us of our hard earned!People are quick to forget that there's bad eggs everywhere and we shouldn't lob everyone in together. Public or private sector.
Pondered Scrotum said:
fbrs said:
Pondered Scrotum said:
The difference is the quick willingness to lump me and mine with the wothless non-jobbers hanging round the public sector who are the ones earning the big bucks
no one here did that. big difference between getting shot at in afganistan for 17k a year and doing some st for the council on 100k. we all know who should have a decent pension to look forward to.t for the council on £100k per year! The soldiers, the police, the street sweepers, the librarians...all of lumped in with the morons who rob every one of us of our hard earned!People are quick to forget that there's bad eggs everywhere and we shouldn't lob everyone in together. Public or private sector.
t for the council on £100k per year'.Pondered Scrotum said:
That's the thing though, unless someone is on the thread to remind everyone during PH Public Sector bashing threads, we ARE lumped in with those doing some st for the council on £100k per year! The soldiers, the police, the street sweepers, the librarians...all of lumped in with the morons who rob every one of us of our hard earned!
People are quick to forget that there's bad eggs everywhere and we shouldn't lob everyone in together. Public or private sector.
t for the council on £100k per year! The soldiers, the police, the street sweepers, the librarians...all of lumped in with the morons who rob every one of us of our hard earned!People are quick to forget that there's bad eggs everywhere and we shouldn't lob everyone in together. Public or private sector.
OK so perhaps my statement "So today we found out just how much the public sector are being expected to cough up" should have read "So today we found out just how much certain elements of the public sector are being expected to cough up".
As to you paying nothing towards your pension - I think that across the whole of the public sector, the armed forces has the best possible justification for paying nothing and getting a decent pension, given the nature of the job.
As to you paying nothing towards your pension - I think that across the whole of the public sector, the armed forces has the best possible justification for paying nothing and getting a decent pension, given the nature of the job.
Pondered Scrotum said:
I'm public sector and I pay nothing towards my pension...how does that make you feel..?
That said, when they come for it, I'll have to bend over and take the hit with no chance of striking or redressing it at all. Fortunately for you, there will be no mention of it in the press and the service we provide to you will not be affected one jot. As if you notice it anyway.
Yet 20% of everything that i earn goes toward your pension, yet I can't afford one for myself.That said, when they come for it, I'll have to bend over and take the hit with no chance of striking or redressing it at all. Fortunately for you, there will be no mention of it in the press and the service we provide to you will not be affected one jot. As if you notice it anyway.
Edited to remove childish name calling by Pondered Scrotum
Edited by Pondered Scrotum on Thursday 28th July 15:11
Pondered Scrotum said:
People are quick to forget that there's bad eggs everywhere and we shouldn't lob everyone in together. Public or private sector.
Rational thoughts in a PH thread about the public sector? Shirley shum mishtake?As ever, if the benefits are so amazing then by rights there should be a long queue for every teaching post of maths, science and English in the country - a queue full of talented graduates with great degrees and lots of skills to offer. Go and talk to any school - most struggle to attract any decent candidates at all, once the dross is removed, never mind have a selection to choose from. And, as PH regularly points out 'the market dictates'. Well, the market is clearly dictating that, currently, the benefits are at best commensurate with the job and certainly not over and above what people think is appropriate, else the queues for my job and every vacancy that ever crops up in my department would be round the block. And they most certainly aint.
Adrian W said:
Yet 20% of everything that i earn goes toward your pension, yet I can't afford one for myself.
Sorry, but pensions, even private sector ones are about prioritisation. Your profile currently states:2005 Noble M400
2005 Lexus RX400H Hybred
1999 Porsche 996 C2 Cab
1998 Renault Sport spider
2005 Benelli TornadoTre-Novocento RS
Assuming that's accurate, you've prioritised your car collection above your future. Which is fine, that's your personal choice. But don't try and bleat the hard done to line when you've made your bed and it's clearly lined with a lot better than straw.
spud989 said:
Sorry, but pensions, even private sector ones are about prioritisation. Your profile currently states:
2005 Noble M400
2005 Lexus RX400H Hybred
1999 Porsche 996 C2 Cab
1998 Renault Sport spider
2005 Benelli TornadoTre-Novocento RS
Assuming that's accurate, you've prioritised your car collection above your future. Which is fine, that's your personal choice. But don't try and bleat the hard done to line when you've made your bed and it's clearly lined with a lot better than straw.
Err no! had a great pension in 2008, then the stock market went tits up, now it's not so great in fact its worth 40% less. am I missing something or did this happen to the public sector as well, and were all in this together.2005 Noble M400
2005 Lexus RX400H Hybred
1999 Porsche 996 C2 Cab
1998 Renault Sport spider
2005 Benelli TornadoTre-Novocento RS
Assuming that's accurate, you've prioritised your car collection above your future. Which is fine, that's your personal choice. But don't try and bleat the hard done to line when you've made your bed and it's clearly lined with a lot better than straw.
And afford is relative!
Pondered Scrotum said:
No contribution to pension, no union at all and a seemingly toothless 'federation' = no say in how I'm bent over and fked by the Government.
eventually
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I'm also public sector, have no right to strike or join a union, other than our similarily toothless federation, and I pay 9.5% of my salary in to my pension!!ked by the Government.eventually
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Pondered Scrotum said:
...unless someone is on the thread to remind everyone during PH Public Sector bashing threads, we ARE lumped in with those doing some st for the council on £100k per year!
no you're not. it just goes without saying. we're on your side come the revolutiont for the council on £100k per year!Edited by fbrs on Thursday 28th July 15:52
spud989 said:
Check my post, I mentioned nothing of 'affordability' because, as you say, that's relative. I spoke of prioritisation. And someone who can afford to run a fleet of cars, but not to pay into his pension pot, clearly has a distinct sense of priority.
You've turned this around quiet nicely, but have no fear my priorities are in order and the situation has been recovered. but my question was why should I contribute 20% of my taxable income to cover public sector pensions, Wake up, the economy can't sustain it any more.
miniman said:
OK so perhaps my statement "So today we found out just how much the public sector are being expected to cough up" should have read "So today we found out just how much certain elements of the public sector are being expected to cough up".
As to you paying nothing towards your pension - I think that across the whole of the public sector, the armed forces has the best possible justification for paying nothing and getting a decent pension, given the nature of the job.
Thank you. I think the police deserve it more than us though, we get sAs to you paying nothing towards your pension - I think that across the whole of the public sector, the armed forces has the best possible justification for paying nothing and getting a decent pension, given the nature of the job.
t 6 months at a time; those poor fkers get it every day...Adrian W said:
Yet 20% of everything that i earn goes toward your pension, yet I can't afford one for myself.
Don't listen to the hype. 20% of everything you earn goes towards general taxation. As does 20% of everything I earn...SteveScooby said:
I'm also public sector, have no right to strike or join a union, other than our similarily toothless federation, and I pay 9.5% of my salary in to my pension!!
I assume you're police then? As above, it's you guys I feel sorry for...the public lately appreciate what we do and as I said we only get it in chunks. Very few seem to appreciate you guys (certainly not the media!) and you have to take the st day in, day out. I read the inspector gadget blog and feel for you more with each of his posts! It's also good for a giggle though so it can't all be bad! Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff