Thats how to run a company.

[Deva Link]

Tallbut Buxomly said:

As another has said there is a slow backlash growing against apple iphone in particular and possibly some of their other devices.
There have been people here on ph who have said they are replacing their iphones with something else as they have a dislike for them.

I have also spoken to people i know who have iphones and some of said they will not be getting another or will be replacing it with something else as soon as.

I have no idea why the backlash though.

Some of our guys at work moved to iPhone4 from Blackberries - there are those would would never have anything other than iPhone but many of the users aren't happy about its performance as a phone (they vary a lot) and the battery life. Battery life is probably the killer for the guys who travel - it's only got to let you down once when you really need it (say meeting someone after a flight) and you hate it for ever.

[sjg]

The only people I know who buy blackberries out of their own pockets are kids (for BBM) or people who are desperate to convey a shouty businessperson image but are too low ranking to be given one.

[johnfm]

freecar said:

Negative Creep said:

freecar said:

I don't know why people are going on about the next product, they've not released this one yet.

Business model is this, design and make amazing product, strip of features until it is at level where people will still buy it then release one new feature a year until orgiinal product is in marketplace.

Rinse.

Repeat.

Plus charge more for your product than your competitors

Then they manage to get their users to try to lord features over you that your phone had four years ago eyt they still try to convince you that it is new and thoroughly life changing!

Nobody is lording anything.

The beauty of a free, western society is that those who want them can buy them, and those who don't want don't have to.

The sales figures suggest that it is a product that people like and are willing to pay for.

[freecar]

johnfm said:

freecar said:

Negative Creep said:

freecar said:

I don't know why people are going on about the next product, they've not released this one yet.

Business model is this, design and make amazing product, strip of features until it is at level where people will still buy it then release one new feature a year until orgiinal product is in marketplace.

Rinse.

Repeat.

Plus charge more for your product than your competitors

Then they manage to get their users to try to lord features over you that your phone had four years ago eyt they still try to convince you that it is new and thoroughly life changing!

Nobody is lording anything.

The beauty of a free, western society is that those who want them can buy them, and those who don't want don't have to.

The sales figures suggest that it is a product that people like and are willing to pay for.

bks, try telling that to the dopey idiot who tried to show off his GPS when I was on my second or third phone with it. He wouldn't accept that I had it years previously.

But in reality I was just fishing for Apple zealots, they're easier to catch than Xbox fans!

[pacman06]

I had an I-river years ago and an ipod nano, they were both of similar ages, the ipod stayed in a drawer til I gave it to my brother, just seemed easier to use and looked nicer to me. No doubt apple does great things but I just detest the way they mug people off, if the ipad did what it should of I would of bought one myself, indeed the wife was dead set on one til she found it wouldn't actually suit her needs.

A big piss boiler of mine is many many people buy such devices not based on what they need it for but becuase it's the in thing and everyone one else has one. My uncle (a petrol tanker driver) got one to use while at work. Yes it looks nice does certain things very well but it cannot do what he needs it to do. If someone has a handset that has features that makes work easier then fair enough but 90% (internet percentages so maybe 93% true?) of people who own an iphone do so to be trendy! I bet half use it to erm, phone and send SMS messages..

Other main reason I hate apple is it has all but killed nokia (more nokias own fault for doing a motorola) my last nokia an n900 is an amazing device, apart from the usb charge port that detatched like most other N900's and will not fix it as its B.E.R and carphone warehouse saying water damage even though it switched on with a charged battery! It will soon join the hundreds of other n900's on ebay for the same reasons.. So I guess apple win in that way too.

If I wanted a new handset it would it an HTC (3d screen with 3d video/still capture would be nice) or a bb torch.

[sjg]

pacman06 said:

Other main reason I hate apple is it has all but killed nokia (more nokias own fault for doing a motorola) my last nokia an n900 is an amazing device, apart from the usb charge port that detatched like most other N900's and will not fix it as its B.E.R and carphone warehouse saying water damage even though it switched on with a charged battery! It will soon join the hundreds of other n900's on ebay for the same reasons.. So I guess apple win in that way too.

Nokia are a basket-case of a company who's collective insularity meant they utterly failed to see the smartphone market developing into larger touchscreen devices. Them going to WP7 isn't so much political or strategic but more that Nokia's own next-generation software was going to be another couple of years away. It was a case of either becoming yet another Android vendor or striking a deal with MS.

Give the Apple stuff a rest though, you sound like one of those nasal whingers who'll bang on to anyone who'll listen that his Skoda is far superior to any of the premium german brands and how people who buy them are idiots.

[maniac0796]

eliot said:

How long does the battery last? Not a fan of Apple, in fact still running a Nokia 6810 because "its a phone and it makes phone calls" - but i was given an ipad and i must admit they are neat as a gadget - useless for anything serious though.

I would say it's more to do with the fact you can't find anything serious to do with them.

T'other night, saw some sound guy using one to control his mixing desk etc.

I never used to like apple products, but I got an iphone 4 for free on my phone contract, and I've got to say it's better than any Android phone I've ever used. Only downside is the screen scratches easily, and it's a 24 month contract

[Guvna]

pacman06 said:

90% (internet percentages so maybe 93% true?) of people who own an iphone do so to be trendy!

Seeing as you are being specific with your percentages, where did you get this data from?

I can't see why it is hard for certain people to understand that the iPhone and the whole iOS ecosystem and user experience is exactly what most people want.

[Tallbut Buxomly]

95% of statistics are wrong!!!

[Oakey]

Oldred_V8S said:

I used to be very Anti Apple products, but then I got a job that required me to support both Apple and PC/Windows platforms, it didn't take long to realise what a pile of ste the Windows/PC combination is compared to Apple, what with poor compatibility between hardware and the constant search for drivers that worked and didn't crash the OS every five minutes.

My GF's brother is very anti Apple and regularly builds stonkingly fast PC's, however even he now admits the performance is short term once all the patches/drivers/service packs and other detritus are loaded. In the last year he must have rebuilt his PC at least 6 times (that I know of) in an effort to keep it running sweetly, whilst my Mac just works the same as it always has. Only a matter of time before he leaves the dark side.


I had to eat a lot of humble pie when I finally purchased a MAC and found that the only time I touched the MAC was to use it for productive activities rather than rebuilding it.

Of course each to their own, but there is no way I am ever going back to having a PC for own use, unfortunately short sightedness by our Infrastructure Management means I am reminded on a daily basis how crap PC/Windows is.

Sorry, but what a complete utter crock of st.

I recently built a new PC (one of many over the years), installed Win7 64-bit and it runs pefectly. No issues.

If your mate is constantly rebuilding his PC then he's a fking moron who doesn't have a clue. Driver issues? Mostly a thing of the past unless he has some really old hardware with unsupported drivers. What hardware was he using that he had to constantly search for drivers that 'didn't crash the OS every 5 minutes'? I can't recall the last time I ever saw a BSOD (sometime before Win7 I imagine) or installed a piece of hardware that Windows wouldn't automatically install before I'd even looked for newer drivers.

[pacman06]

sjg said:

Nokia are a basket-case of a company who's collective insularity meant they utterly failed to see the smartphone market developing into larger touchscreen devices. Them going to WP7 isn't so much political or strategic but more that Nokia's own next-generation software was going to be another couple of years away. It was a case of either becoming yet another Android vendor or striking a deal with MS.

Give the Apple stuff a rest though, you sound like one of those nasal whingers who'll bang on to anyone who'll listen that his Skoda is far superior to any of the premium german brands and how people who buy them are idiots.

Fan boy alert. A skoda better than a beemer/audi or other German brand (apart from mercs that rust) HA! I would say a skoda represents very good value for money but is no way to be compared to a premium German marque.

You sound like one of them plebs who is a walking advert for apple and would buy a steaming turd rolled in glitter so long as it has a logo of a fruit on it..

Tallbut Buxomly said:

95% of statistics are wrong!!!

I would agree but 59% would not!!!



(some people need to inject humour or download tongue in cheek. Hmm maybe there is an app for that?)

Edited by pacman06 on Sunday 31st July 18:23

Edited by pacman06 on Sunday 31st July 18:24

[paddyhasneeds]

The thing that always strikes me about these threads is that there used to be the perception that Apple had zealots who simply wouldn't see any wrong in the products that Uncle Steve releases and who would preach the whole Mac is better than PC thing etc.

It seems these days that there are less of these people and more people who seem determined to insult Apple users and accuse them of being sheep/drones etc. at every opportunity rather than simply assuming they might just like the kit.

I'm typing this on a Macbook Air, I have an iMac on another desk in the house, and I have an iPod Touch. I clearly like them else I wouldn't have all three, however they're not without their irritations. I refuse to have an iPhone not because I don't like them, I do, but because when an iPod Touch costs £150 and a basic Nokia costs £10 an iPhone shouldn't cost £400.

And if people ask me if they should buy a Mac or a PC these days invariably the answer is "They'll both do what you want to buy the one you like using the most", I don't go into some sort of tirade against Microsoft or Windows or Bill Gates.

Pacman, if your eight year old tablet works for you that's great, but honest to god why all the bile for those who might prefer something a little more modern and a bit nicer looking (and no, I don't have an iPad, I won't buy one because they don't do Flash).

[glazbagun]

pacman06 said:

sjg said:

Nokia are a basket-case of a company who's collective insularity meant they utterly failed to see the smartphone market developing into larger touchscreen devices. Them going to WP7 isn't so much political or strategic but more that Nokia's own next-generation software was going to be another couple of years away. It was a case of either becoming yet another Android vendor or striking a deal with MS.

Give the Apple stuff a rest though, you sound like one of those nasal whingers who'll bang on to anyone who'll listen that his Skoda is far superior to any of the premium german brands and how people who buy them are idiots.

Fan boy alert. A skoda better than a beemer/audi or other German brand (apart from mercs that rust) HA! I would say a skoda represents very good value for money but is no way to be compared to a premium German marque.

You sound like one of them plebs who is a walking advert for apple and would buy a steaming turd rolled in glitter so long as it has a logo of a fruit on it..

I don't even think that's a whoosh parrot.

[Oldred_V8S]

Oakey said:

Oldred_V8S said:

I used to be very Anti Apple products, but then I got a job that required me to support both Apple and PC/Windows platforms, it didn't take long to realise what a pile of ste the Windows/PC combination is compared to Apple, what with poor compatibility between hardware and the constant search for drivers that worked and didn't crash the OS every five minutes.

My GF's brother is very anti Apple and regularly builds stonkingly fast PC's, however even he now admits the performance is short term once all the patches/drivers/service packs and other detritus are loaded. In the last year he must have rebuilt his PC at least 6 times (that I know of) in an effort to keep it running sweetly, whilst my Mac just works the same as it always has. Only a matter of time before he leaves the dark side.


I had to eat a lot of humble pie when I finally purchased a MAC and found that the only time I touched the MAC was to use it for productive activities rather than rebuilding it.

Of course each to their own, but there is no way I am ever going back to having a PC for own use, unfortunately short sightedness by our Infrastructure Management means I am reminded on a daily basis how crap PC/Windows is.

Sorry, but what a complete utter crock of st.

I recently built a new PC (one of many over the years), installed Win7 64-bit and it runs pefectly. No issues.

If your mate is constantly rebuilding his PC then he's a fking moron who doesn't have a clue. Driver issues? Mostly a thing of the past unless he has some really old hardware with unsupported drivers. What hardware was he using that he had to constantly search for drivers that 'didn't crash the OS every 5 minutes'? I can't recall the last time I ever saw a BSOD (sometime before Win7 I imagine) or installed a piece of hardware that Windows wouldn't automatically install before I'd even looked for newer drivers.

No need for such a vitriolic post, try an keep it civil eh?

I was merely pointing out that I was very pro Windows before I realised the benefit of having software that was matched to the hardware; whilst it may not run as fast as a virgin installation of Windows, it does appear to be more robust in the long term.I speak from experience of using Windows 7, 64 bit on a daily basis. I agree Win 7 is a hundred times better than previous releases of the OS, but IMHO is still not as good as the MAC OS, again IMHO, and I do so without resorting to an attack on you or your view.

My mistake was I thought NP&E was a forum for sensible discussion and dialogue, had I realised that by sharing my experiences and my opinions I would be told that it was a crock of st and that my friend is a fking moron, (even though he has a degree in computer science and is a much sought after database expert) I wouldn't have bothered, Goodbye!

[Esseesse]

Oldred_V8S said:

I agree Win 7 is a hundred times better than previous releases of the OS, but IMHO is still not as good as the MAC OS.

I agree Win7 isn't bad, but then WinXP SP2, Win2k, and Win98 SE were not bad either.

Forgetting all other measures of how good an OS is, the Windows UI is undeniably heavy, more ugly, and not as slick to use as OS X by a mile.

[BliarOut]

Oakey said:

Oldred_V8S said:

I used to be very Anti Apple products, but then I got a job that required me to support both Apple and PC/Windows platforms, it didn't take long to realise what a pile of ste the Windows/PC combination is compared to Apple, what with poor compatibility between hardware and the constant search for drivers that worked and didn't crash the OS every five minutes.

My GF's brother is very anti Apple and regularly builds stonkingly fast PC's, however even he now admits the performance is short term once all the patches/drivers/service packs and other detritus are loaded. In the last year he must have rebuilt his PC at least 6 times (that I know of) in an effort to keep it running sweetly, whilst my Mac just works the same as it always has. Only a matter of time before he leaves the dark side.


I had to eat a lot of humble pie when I finally purchased a MAC and found that the only time I touched the MAC was to use it for productive activities rather than rebuilding it.

Of course each to their own, but there is no way I am ever going back to having a PC for own use, unfortunately short sightedness by our Infrastructure Management means I am reminded on a daily basis how crap PC/Windows is.

Sorry, but what a complete utter crock of st.

I recently built a new PC (one of many over the years), installed Win7 64-bit and it runs pefectly. No issues.

If your mate is constantly rebuilding his PC then he's a fking moron who doesn't have a clue. Driver issues? Mostly a thing of the past unless he has some really old hardware with unsupported drivers. What hardware was he using that he had to constantly search for drivers that 'didn't crash the OS every 5 minutes'? I can't recall the last time I ever saw a BSOD (sometime before Win7 I imagine) or installed a piece of hardware that Windows wouldn't automatically install before I'd even looked for newer drivers.

You built a few PC's and suddenly you know everything about PC support? Wow....

When you deal with 'Doze PC's day in day out you'll realise how st they really are. I'm afraid your 'he's fking moron' comment shows how little you really know.

Enjoy your copy of 'What Motherboard' Mr Hobbyist...

[ClintonB]

Oldred_V8S said:

Oakey said:

Oldred_V8S said:

I used to be very Anti Apple products, but then I got a job that required me to support both Apple and PC/Windows platforms, it didn't take long to realise what a pile of ste the Windows/PC combination is compared to Apple, what with poor compatibility between hardware and the constant search for drivers that worked and didn't crash the OS every five minutes.

My GF's brother is very anti Apple and regularly builds stonkingly fast PC's, however even he now admits the performance is short term once all the patches/drivers/service packs and other detritus are loaded. In the last year he must have rebuilt his PC at least 6 times (that I know of) in an effort to keep it running sweetly, whilst my Mac just works the same as it always has. Only a matter of time before he leaves the dark side.


I had to eat a lot of humble pie when I finally purchased a MAC and found that the only time I touched the MAC was to use it for productive activities rather than rebuilding it.

Of course each to their own, but there is no way I am ever going back to having a PC for own use, unfortunately short sightedness by our Infrastructure Management means I am reminded on a daily basis how crap PC/Windows is.

Sorry, but what a complete utter crock of st.

I recently built a new PC (one of many over the years), installed Win7 64-bit and it runs pefectly. No issues.

If your mate is constantly rebuilding his PC then he's a fking moron who doesn't have a clue. Driver issues? Mostly a thing of the past unless he has some really old hardware with unsupported drivers. What hardware was he using that he had to constantly search for drivers that 'didn't crash the OS every 5 minutes'? I can't recall the last time I ever saw a BSOD (sometime before Win7 I imagine) or installed a piece of hardware that Windows wouldn't automatically install before I'd even looked for newer drivers.

No need for such a vitriolic post, try an keep it civil eh?

I was merely pointing out that I was very pro Windows before I realised the benefit of having software that was matched to the hardware; whilst it may not run as fast as a virgin installation of Windows, it does appear to be more robust in the long term.I speak from experience of using Windows 7, 64 bit on a daily basis. I agree Win 7 is a hundred times better than previous releases of the OS, but IMHO is still not as good as the MAC OS, again IMHO, and I do so without resorting to an attack on you or your view.

My mistake was I thought NP&E was a forum for sensible discussion and dialogue, had I realised that by sharing my experiences and my opinions I would be told that it was a crock of st and that my friend is a fking moron, (even though he has a degree in computer science and is a much sought after database expert) I wouldn't have bothered, Goodbye!

Keeping it civil, I do wonder why a professional techie (who is apparently lusted after) has what would seem to be fairly regular problems with MS products and yet little old me (who isn't technical) has never had any meaningful problems with even Vista, let alone W7

Rebuilding a PC at least 6 times suggests there's a little more to this than meets the eye, which I guess is what the other soul was getting at, even if it was in a manner you don't agree with. I've only contemplated it once & that's because I installed a flavour of Linux, decided I didn't want it on the PC and suppose I need to re-install to get rid of the boot thingy it puts on there.

Then again, I never, ever get this fanboi bullplop, regardless of which side of the fence it comes from.

[TonyToniTone]

BliarOut said:

When you deal with 'Doze PC's day in day out you'll realise how st they really are. I'm afraid your 'he's fking moron' comment shows how little you really know.

Enjoy your copy of 'What Motherboard' Mr Hobbyist...

I can safely say I push out windows to 'considerably more user than yow' and V8 without any problems.. it's pretty bullet proof when you know what you are doing

Sent from my MBP... lol

[RoadRailer]

BliarOut said:

Oakey said:

Oldred_V8S said:

I used to be very Anti Apple products, but then I got a job that required me to support both Apple and PC/Windows platforms, it didn't take long to realise what a pile of ste the Windows/PC combination is compared to Apple, what with poor compatibility between hardware and the constant search for drivers that worked and didn't crash the OS every five minutes.

My GF's brother is very anti Apple and regularly builds stonkingly fast PC's, however even he now admits the performance is short term once all the patches/drivers/service packs and other detritus are loaded. In the last year he must have rebuilt his PC at least 6 times (that I know of) in an effort to keep it running sweetly, whilst my Mac just works the same as it always has. Only a matter of time before he leaves the dark side.


I had to eat a lot of humble pie when I finally purchased a MAC and found that the only time I touched the MAC was to use it for productive activities rather than rebuilding it.

Of course each to their own, but there is no way I am ever going back to having a PC for own use, unfortunately short sightedness by our Infrastructure Management means I am reminded on a daily basis how crap PC/Windows is.

Sorry, but what a complete utter crock of st.

I recently built a new PC (one of many over the years), installed Win7 64-bit and it runs pefectly. No issues.

If your mate is constantly rebuilding his PC then he's a fking moron who doesn't have a clue. Driver issues? Mostly a thing of the past unless he has some really old hardware with unsupported drivers. What hardware was he using that he had to constantly search for drivers that 'didn't crash the OS every 5 minutes'? I can't recall the last time I ever saw a BSOD (sometime before Win7 I imagine) or installed a piece of hardware that Windows wouldn't automatically install before I'd even looked for newer drivers.

You built a few PC's and suddenly you know everything about PC support? Wow....

When you deal with 'Doze PC's day in day out you'll realise how st they really are. I'm afraid your 'he's fking moron' comment shows how little you really know.

Enjoy your copy of 'What Motherboard' Mr Hobbyist...

I also support lots of Wintel boxes for a variety of small businesses, once you get the driver issues sorted then you have the fun of getting the plethora of business applications working reliably too.

And then every month you get the 'what's going to break with this batch of updates' lottery...

More and more of my clients are moving over to the Mac platform as the perception of security and ease of use gained from iPhones and iPads sways the bean counters.
TCO is much lower than wintel for small businesses when you factor in all the licensing requirements of AntiVirus etc. especially if you chuck sage (spits) on a server that only geeks can fettle with and let the users access via terminal services/RDP from the macs.

E.T.A 'small' businesses

Edited by RoadRailer on Sunday 31st July 23:31

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ClintonB said:

Keeping it civil, I do wonder why a professional techie (who is apparently lusted after) has what would seem to be fairly regular problems with MS products and yet little old me (who isn't technical) has never had any meaningful problems with even Vista, let alone W7

Must admit I was bemused by that - I domestically support 8 PC users and problems are rare (and generally wifi related). I've certainly never had to reinstall an OS.

Some of our guys at work use MacBooks and they're forever encountering compatibility problems with supplier's and customer's websites that we need to access.