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Deva Link said:
Some of our guys at work use MacBooks and they're forever encountering compatibility problems with supplier's and customer's websites that we need to access.
Most likely only because some knob coded the suppliers and customers websites for IE6. Not really the fault of Safari/Chrome/Firefox for following the rules.Esseesse said:
Most likely only because some knob coded the suppliers and customers websites for IE6. Not really the fault of Safari/Chrome/Firefox for following the rules.
That's absolutely right, but it's still a pain. Weirdly customers are more accommodating at sorting these things out than suppliers are.Deva Link said:
ClintonB said:
Keeping it civil, I do wonder why a professional techie (who is apparently lusted after) has what would seem to be fairly regular problems with MS products and yet little old me (who isn't technical) has never had any meaningful problems with even Vista, let alone W7 
Must admit I was bemused by that - I domestically support 8 PC users and problems are rare (and generally wifi related). I've certainly never had to reinstall an OS.Some of our guys at work use MacBooks and they're forever encountering compatibility problems with supplier's and customer's websites that we need to access.
I've never had a fundamental issue with Winders, nor have I had an issue with the work laptops I've used for 50-60 hours a week year upon year. Hardware faults yes, catastrophic OS faults - never.
I'd say I'm very lucky, but have never won the lottery or anything like. Therefore, I do wonder how people with apparently far superior knowledge & interest have all these problems and yet I have none.
Oldred_V8S said:
No need for such a vitriolic post, try an keep it civil eh?
I was merely pointing out that I was very pro Windows before I realised the benefit of having software that was matched to the hardware; whilst it may not run as fast as a virgin installation of Windows, it does appear to be more robust in the long term.I speak from experience of using Windows 7, 64 bit on a daily basis. I agree Win 7 is a hundred times better than previous releases of the OS, but IMHO is still not as good as the MAC OS, again IMHO, and I do so without resorting to an attack on you or your view.
My mistake was I thought NP&E was a forum for sensible discussion and dialogue, had I realised that by sharing my experiences and my opinions I would be told that it was a crock of s
t and that my friend is a fking moron, (even though he has a degree in computer science and is a much sought after database expert) I wouldn't have bothered, Goodbye!
I wasn't 'attacking' you, I was referring to your mate who apparently had to rebuild his PC every month. What on earth is he doing that requires that? It's unfathomable. Is he overclocking them and frying hardware? I was merely pointing out that I was very pro Windows before I realised the benefit of having software that was matched to the hardware; whilst it may not run as fast as a virgin installation of Windows, it does appear to be more robust in the long term.I speak from experience of using Windows 7, 64 bit on a daily basis. I agree Win 7 is a hundred times better than previous releases of the OS, but IMHO is still not as good as the MAC OS, again IMHO, and I do so without resorting to an attack on you or your view.
My mistake was I thought NP&E was a forum for sensible discussion and dialogue, had I realised that by sharing my experiences and my opinions I would be told that it was a crock of s
t and that my friend is a fking moron, (even though he has a degree in computer science and is a much sought after database expert) I wouldn't have bothered, Goodbye!paddyhasneeds said:
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You're obviously of sound mind and not a drone, a rare thing to see an apple user to speak the truth! I wasn't stating an old tablet is so good that ipads should be skipped but (over)stating that for what they are, they aint that good, although ipad2 plays flash (I think??) so all the drones can go and pay another silly amount for a few more features they should of had when they paid the first time around.I have looked at buying a nice all metal chassis mac book but it had no dvd/bluray and the right mouse button was missing! Was very nice looking though.
how are apple shares doing by the way!
200bhp said:
Adrian W said:
Not quite right, there is a definite backlash against Iphones, especially among the Geeky users. Android is starting to pick up momentum, it's a bit like Windows and Linux, it will start to hurt Apple.
I think it's only the geeks that really believe that.If you don't think Android represents a threat to Apple you must have been sleeping for the past 3 years.
Apple are still doing well given they are a single brand against the many brands of Android but Android is clearly a huge margin ahead in overall terms (Android 25% vs Apple 16%) and the Android number is only going to get higher with the prolific speed it advances at.
http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1466313
This isn't to take anything away from Apple though they are still doing fantastically well!
vit4 said:
My group of mates tend to err towards the flasher side of phones - not something I understand myself as my phones tend to get broken either through a concrete-interface or rum-interface within a few months of acquiring them, so I stick to second-hand cheapy ones personally! But, there has been a definite trend since the start of the year or so where people's contracts are running out and the IPhones aren't being replaced with another iPhone. Instead, they seem to be being replaced by Blackberry's. Ridiculous seeing as none of them actually use them for work-based purposes, but BB's do look to be the next 'trend' without looking into the figures in-depth. It seems Apple still rule the portable music player market - Ipods of various guises are king and there's nothing else remotely similar. But phones, I think the fad is coming to a close.
In places like the USA Blackberry's are definitely the cool device to have thanks to lots of product placement and rappers showing them off or rapping about them in their videos. Also it seems the kids over here seem to think they are trendy too, I guess that's due to BBM etc?
Oldred_V8S said:
Mr Dave said:
pacman06 said:
Never had an apple product and never will. Far better phones out there with twice the features for a lot less.. As for the ipad..
I bought the wife a second hand HP tc1100? tablet for 200 quid that was produced in 2003, it can do everything a current entry spec laptop can do (and a whole lot more than an ipad and netbook) in a 11" touch screen tablet with full bluetooth and lots of other features including a dedicated nvidia gfx and upgradable HD/ram/cpu/automatic portrait or landscape.. plus its tough as nails, you can stand on the screen and still not crack!
so a tablet from 2003 can do all that yet an ipad is considered the best thing since sliced bread? /fail
Few questions on the HP.I bought the wife a second hand HP tc1100? tablet for 200 quid that was produced in 2003, it can do everything a current entry spec laptop can do (and a whole lot more than an ipad and netbook) in a 11" touch screen tablet with full bluetooth and lots of other features including a dedicated nvidia gfx and upgradable HD/ram/cpu/automatic portrait or landscape.. plus its tough as nails, you can stand on the screen and still not crack!
so a tablet from 2003 can do all that yet an ipad is considered the best thing since sliced bread? /fail
Hows the warranty and hows the 3g, is the multi-touch as good? What about the battery life? I take it would last a full day when im out and about doing stuff on it? I do often use my Ipad for a good few hours say 7 or 8 when I cant charge it does the HP last say over 7 hours? What happens when you drop it is the HDD as hardy as the solid state memory in the Ipad?
Sorry the warranty I have and the thinness of it as well as it being really tough sold it for me.
Never mind it has lots of fun apps, is very stable, very easy to use and looks nice, customer care on apple products have always been 100% for me as well.
That is why Apple make so much money, they do their market research, they develop hard wearing devices with good support and they are nice to look at. Thats why they sell so many.
I cant see shares going up too much more but they are probably a safer place to put money than most banks to be honest.
I used to be very Anti Apple products, but then I got a job that required me to support both Apple and PC/Windows platforms, it didn't take long to realise what a pile of s
te the Windows/PC combination is compared to Apple, what with poor compatibility between hardware and the constant search for drivers that worked and didn't crash the OS every five minutes. My GF's brother is very anti Apple and regularly builds stonkingly fast PC's, however even he now admits the performance is short term once all the patches/drivers/service packs and other detritus are loaded. In the last year he must have rebuilt his PC at least 6 times (that I know of) in an effort to keep it running sweetly, whilst my Mac just works the same as it always has. Only a matter of time before he leaves the dark side.
I had to eat a lot of humble pie when I finally purchased a MAC and found that the only time I touched the MAC was to use it for productive activities rather than rebuilding it.
Of course each to their own, but there is no way I am ever going back to having a PC for own use, unfortunately short sightedness by our Infrastructure Management means I am reminded on a daily basis how crap PC/Windows is.
Honestly I look after an estate of 500 of them and they are used for all sorts of tasks from call center stuff through to CAD and our rebuild rate is very, very low i.e. most of them don't get rebuilt in their lifetime (3-5 years).
I honestly think some of the PC geek crowd like to do these things purely to feel like they are maintaining them like a car either that or they are clueless.
Must do better Apple.Ordinary_Chap said:
In places like the USA Blackberry's are definitely the cool device to have thanks to lots of product placement and rappers showing them off or rapping about them in their videos.
Also it seems the kids over here seem to think they are trendy too, I guess that's due to BBM etc?
A lot of the kids/teens can't afford an iPhone though as they're on PAYG and handset cost is around £250 for something like a 16Gb 3GS, compared to average BB which is around £50 on the exchange market. And they have Blackberry Messenger to tit around with all day instead of textsAlso it seems the kids over here seem to think they are trendy too, I guess that's due to BBM etc?
BB - great business phone if you go for the add ons. Fantastic battery life. I had BB's for 6 years or so. Most of the handsets are a good drivers phone (no, officer, don't know what you're talking about). Screen size is awful on most, and hats where Apple converted me to an iPhone. I still have a bugbear about the touch screen keyboard but I'm on my third iPhone now so it can't be that much of an issue, just means I read more than I reply to
andy-xr said:
Ordinary_Chap said:
In places like the USA Blackberry's are definitely the cool device to have thanks to lots of product placement and rappers showing them off or rapping about them in their videos.
Also it seems the kids over here seem to think they are trendy too, I guess that's due to BBM etc?
A lot of the kids/teens can't afford an iPhone though as they're on PAYG and handset cost is around £250 for something like a 16Gb 3GS, compared to average BB which is around £50 on the exchange market. And they have Blackberry Messenger to tit around with all day instead of textsAlso it seems the kids over here seem to think they are trendy too, I guess that's due to BBM etc?
BB - great business phone if you go for the add ons. Fantastic battery life. I had BB's for 6 years or so. Most of the handsets are a good drivers phone (no, officer, don't know what you're talking about). Screen size is awful on most, and hats where Apple converted me to an iPhone. I still have a bugbear about the touch screen keyboard but I'm on my third iPhone now so it can't be that much of an issue, just means I read more than I reply to
Although saying that the 9900 looks fantastic and like you I still prefer a real keyboard.
GeraldSmith said:
andy-xr said:
I also forgot to mention that amount of data the average iPhone eats up on a PAYG 100mb contract
Why should an iPhone eat up any more data than anything else? Unless you use it for more things....Also the Blackberry has industry leading compression techniques and subsequently uses massively less data during the same operations.
As it happens it seems Android based devices are the most data hungry when it comes to data usage often using about 20-30% more data than the Iphone during similar operations.
I used to dread the end of a contract of my mobile phone because the mobile company would offer me a ridiculous range of phones - T72i, DC543, Flip, Clam, Megapixel, txt spec, and a load of other drivel. fk that.
Then last year I got an iPhone 3. My contract expires and 5 months and I don't even need to think what phone to get. I don't need to spend time reviewing technical specs that bore me to death. I can focus on a price plan - much more important.
I couldn't give a st if apple, banana or pear made the iphone. I just know it's piss easy to operate and has lasted well. And because many colleagues and friends have them, it makes it very easy to ask silly questions about how to do this or do that.
Just like Microsoft Windows and Office really.
But I suspect the same anti iPhone people are also anti Microsoft too.
k that.Then last year I got an iPhone 3. My contract expires and 5 months and I don't even need to think what phone to get. I don't need to spend time reviewing technical specs that bore me to death. I can focus on a price plan - much more important.
I couldn't give a s
t if apple, banana or pear made the iphone. I just know it's piss easy to operate and has lasted well. And because many colleagues and friends have them, it makes it very easy to ask silly questions about how to do this or do that.Just like Microsoft Windows and Office really.
But I suspect the same anti iPhone people are also anti Microsoft too.
Well I bought a new phone a couple of days ago.
My Mrs has an iP4 and it's a smart little thing. She spends her time on it thusly
1% - ringing folk up
2% - texting
97% - Playing some fvckin retarded virtual zoo game.
Money well spent eh?
I went for an HTC Sensation for only 2 reasons really.
1. Only a tiny bit bigger than an iP4 but larger screen
2. Full bluetooth support - it copied all my contacts, calender, txt over from my old phone with no pissin about - iP4 can be a nightmare in this respect, it was for my Mrs. Also connects to my in car parrot kit, wifes phone doesn't.
My Mrs has an iP4 and it's a smart little thing. She spends her time on it thusly
1% - ringing folk up
2% - texting
97% - Playing some fvckin retarded virtual zoo game.
Money well spent eh?
I went for an HTC Sensation for only 2 reasons really.
1. Only a tiny bit bigger than an iP4 but larger screen
2. Full bluetooth support - it copied all my contacts, calender, txt over from my old phone with no pissin about - iP4 can be a nightmare in this respect, it was for my Mrs. Also connects to my in car parrot kit, wifes phone doesn't.
dave_s13 said:
Well I bought a new phone a couple of days ago.
My Mrs has an iP4 and it's a smart little thing. She spends her time on it thusly
1% - ringing folk up
2% - texting
97% - Playing some fvckin retarded virtual zoo game.
Money well spent eh?
I went for an HTC Sensation for only 2 reasons really.
1. Only a tiny bit bigger than an iP4 but larger screen
2. Full bluetooth support - it copied all my contacts, calender, txt over from my old phone with no pissin about - iP4 can be a nightmare in this respect, it was for my Mrs. Also connects to my in car parrot kit, wifes phone doesn't.
Can't remember the model, but my iph4 connects to my parrot no problem.My Mrs has an iP4 and it's a smart little thing. She spends her time on it thusly
1% - ringing folk up
2% - texting
97% - Playing some fvckin retarded virtual zoo game.
Money well spent eh?
I went for an HTC Sensation for only 2 reasons really.
1. Only a tiny bit bigger than an iP4 but larger screen
2. Full bluetooth support - it copied all my contacts, calender, txt over from my old phone with no pissin about - iP4 can be a nightmare in this respect, it was for my Mrs. Also connects to my in car parrot kit, wifes phone doesn't.
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