How they really got Bin Laden
Discussion
Probably, the best account so far of the raid on the compound in Abbotabad which resulted in the death of Osama bin Laden
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/08/08/1108...
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/08/08/1108...
Nice, must have felt good:
"Nine years, seven months, and twenty days after September 11th, an American was a trigger pull from ending bin Laden’s life. The first round, a 5.56-mm. bullet, struck bin Laden in the chest. As he fell backward, the SEAL fired a second round into his head, just above his left eye. On his radio, he reported, “For God and country—Geronimo, Geronimo, Geronimo.” After a pause, he added, “Geronimo E.K.I.A.”—“enemy killed in action.”
Hearing this at the White House, Obama pursed his lips, and said solemnly, to no one in particular, “We got him.” "
"Nine years, seven months, and twenty days after September 11th, an American was a trigger pull from ending bin Laden’s life. The first round, a 5.56-mm. bullet, struck bin Laden in the chest. As he fell backward, the SEAL fired a second round into his head, just above his left eye. On his radio, he reported, “For God and country—Geronimo, Geronimo, Geronimo.” After a pause, he added, “Geronimo E.K.I.A.”—“enemy killed in action.”
Hearing this at the White House, Obama pursed his lips, and said solemnly, to no one in particular, “We got him.” "
rxtx said:
I'm quite surprised the issue of updraught wasn't considered before they went out, you'd think that experienced pilots or whatever the US military's version of a "project manager" is would instantly pick up on things like that, or am I wrong?
Hollywood script, or 24, you choose.Irrelevant really, they shot his eye out anyway.
Google images bin laden dead, and you get a good photo.
The chopper crash is half truths, we'll never know why it went down.
If it was updraught, how good are they?
In reality as far as the bull description of how good any special service team the yanks have, they're not as good as our lot from Hereford, or Hearford as deNiro once called it.
And many others.
2 back up chinooks, with fuel, big LOL.
Plus all the cia/govmnt chats before.
That sounds right secure, err, not.
Nice one, you shot out a few fat arabs in a house full of kids n wives with a squad of heavily armed boneheads supported by unlimited resources.
I'd be more impressed if Jack Bauer had done it
Not to put too much of a negative on it, you've over egged moms apple pie.
Well done all the same.
“Special operations is about doing what’s not expected, and probably the least expected thing here was that a helicopter would come in, drop guys on the roof, and land in the yard,” the special-operations officer said.
Like, no!
"A replica of the compound had been built at the site, with walls and chain-link fencing marking the layout of the compound. The team spent the next five days practicing maneuvers."This wasn’t a hard op,” the special-operations officer told me. “It would be like hitting a target in McLean”—the upscale Virginia suburb of Washington, D.C.
So what went wrong?
The high walls of the compound and the warm temperatures had caused the Black Hawk to descend inside its own rotor wash—a hazardous aerodynamic situation known as “settling with power.” In North Carolina, this potential problem had not become apparent, because the chain-link fencing used in rehearsals had allowed air to flow freely.
Not so clever huh?!
“There was never any question of detaining or capturing him—it wasn’t a split-second decision. No one wanted detainees,” the special-operations officer told me. Two of his colleagues, meanwhile, ran upstairs with a nylon body bag. They unfurled it, knelt down on either side of bin Laden, and placed the body inside the bag. Eighteen minutes had elapsed since the DEVGRU team landed. For the next twenty minutes, the mission shifted to an intelligence-gathering operation."
Hmmm. Easier to shoot, bag and carry him than get him to walk to the helicopter with 20 minutes in hand?
As someone said above, sounds a whole lot Hollywood to me. Right outcome though.
Like, no!
"A replica of the compound had been built at the site, with walls and chain-link fencing marking the layout of the compound. The team spent the next five days practicing maneuvers."This wasn’t a hard op,” the special-operations officer told me. “It would be like hitting a target in McLean”—the upscale Virginia suburb of Washington, D.C.
So what went wrong?
The high walls of the compound and the warm temperatures had caused the Black Hawk to descend inside its own rotor wash—a hazardous aerodynamic situation known as “settling with power.” In North Carolina, this potential problem had not become apparent, because the chain-link fencing used in rehearsals had allowed air to flow freely.
Not so clever huh?!
“There was never any question of detaining or capturing him—it wasn’t a split-second decision. No one wanted detainees,” the special-operations officer told me. Two of his colleagues, meanwhile, ran upstairs with a nylon body bag. They unfurled it, knelt down on either side of bin Laden, and placed the body inside the bag. Eighteen minutes had elapsed since the DEVGRU team landed. For the next twenty minutes, the mission shifted to an intelligence-gathering operation."
Hmmm. Easier to shoot, bag and carry him than get him to walk to the helicopter with 20 minutes in hand?
As someone said above, sounds a whole lot Hollywood to me. Right outcome though.
I really don't get why they constructed the training mockup from chain link fencing. Surely you'd want all the walls to be blind to create the right sense of scale and highlight any bottlenecks or risky positions.
I believe the piccys are fake.
Is it correct that the SEALS involved are reported to have recently perished in an accident?
I believe the piccys are fake.
Is it correct that the SEALS involved are reported to have recently perished in an accident?
k Yeah 
Ozzie Osmond said:
Hmmm. Easier to shoot, bag and carry him than get him to walk to the helicopter with 20 minutes in hand?
As someone said above, sounds a whole lot Hollywood to me. Right outcome though.
I don't think the problem was trying to get him into the helicopter, I think the problem is that if they'd brought him out alive he would have had to stand trial, then be executed or imprisoned. It would have been a circus and led to a much greater level of martyrdom for him.As someone said above, sounds a whole lot Hollywood to me. Right outcome though.
Much easier to shoot him in the head and say he was killed in a raid.
That's a novel not a factual account.....
This sums it up
"Deploying four Chinooks was a last-minute decision made after President Barack Obama said he wanted to feel assured that the Americans could “fight their way out of Pakistan.”
Are we really supposed to believe that the military planners didn't have a comprehensive contingency plans and that "President Barack Obama" insisted or came up with one ?
This sums it up
"Deploying four Chinooks was a last-minute decision made after President Barack Obama said he wanted to feel assured that the Americans could “fight their way out of Pakistan.”
Are we really supposed to believe that the military planners didn't have a comprehensive contingency plans and that "President Barack Obama" insisted or came up with one ?
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