Ending Benefits Dependency.:Restore our Countries Wealth.

[eldar]

rover 623gsi said:

There are (some) people already doing those things for a living. If there is work that needs doing then people should be paid the going rate for doing it.

Then we'll have more doing it, with the paid ones as supervisors/trainers. Cleaner, tidier place for everyone.

[rover 623gsi]

yes it will be nice if everywhere is clean and tidy but what you are suggesting is that people should work for (much) less than the minimum wage. I don't think anyone should be made to work for their benefits. If there is a job that needs doing then people should be paid for doing it.

Edited by rover 623gsi on Sunday 4th September 18:45

[dxg]

It's going to take a new political party to achieve anything. Who wants to start it up?

[bobbylondonuk]

commonsense party

[deadslow]

CaptainSlow said:

nm231 said:

What about sending home many of the immigrants (illegal or otherwise) that have appeared here over the last few years. Surely that will free up many jobs and money as there will be less immigrants on benefits aswell.

You mean get rid of the ones willing to work? They can be very hard working people doing both professional roles and also jobs the average chav feels is beneath them.

Exactly. Then other countries will send our emmigrants back - there's millions of them.

[voyds9]

Why do WE have to create the job in the first place.

I didn't get a job but started a small company. If they are hungry enough they can do the same.

[WhoseGeneration]

Steffan said:

I am starting this post because I really believe that the country is in dire economic straights and that these are largely fueled by our current benefits for all largess approach.

I am in favour of a benefits system where individuals WHO HAVE PAID INTO THE SYSTEM can be protected for a reasonable period of time if unemployed or unfit. I am NOT in favour of lifestyle chioces such as being a Drunk, a Drug addict, Grossly Overweight or just plain idle entitles you to a lifetime of being supported by the rest of the UK.

The current system is so hopelessly abused and misused that whole sections of society are becoming a burden to the state whilst we import immigrants by the million that do the work that these lazy scroungers lounge prefer to be unavailable to undertake.

This is utterly corrosive and IMO totally unsustainable.

It has to be stopped. As the first real step in addressing our PSBR defecit.

Now how do we get some effective action from government to end this nonsense?

That is my question.

You know very well why, under the current political system, this will not change.
You're merely ranting, which is quite understandable.

[Jasandjules]

Those who can, should work.

I do agree that those who can not work for reasons which they create (such as being a larda**e), should not be provided with the support of the state.

[OllieC]

rover 623gsi said:

Dixie68 said:

I agree that the only people getting benefits should be those that have paid in, but if people are worried about the workshy starving to death then fair enough we'll give them benefits too - but only in exchange for community work; picking up rubbish, cleaning off graffiti, filling potholes etc. We could have the cleanest country in the world.

There are (some) people already doing those things for a living. If there is work that needs doing then people should be paid the going rate for doing it.

We should make them break rocks

[billzeebub]

there has got to be a benefits system that works. ie not benfit, but reward..

the system has a title that speaks volumes for it's largess and inefficiencies. It should be a last alternative, not the stated goal!..people looking for work need to spend at least a couple of days a week (preferably more) working in community projects/work. Whether it be using previously aquired skills to benefit the community or merely painting/tidying and cleaning..this will help the aesthetic appeal of UK plc and also give people pride and dignity in their community. There may well be overall costs envolved initially in the logistics but the long term benefits would be felt by all..

and also benefits for children should be capped at two children no matter what the income of the household. Bringing a person into the world should be a carefully thought out decision based on love and maturity, not what it is for many currently (a route into a large house and disposable handouts/'income')..it is dificult to backdate this one, but policy could be implemented from a future date to discourage the feckless from procreating every year!!..a line in the sand..

[Rollin]

rover 623gsi said:

yes it will be nice if everywhere is clean and tidy but what you are suggesting is that people should work for (much) less than the minimum wage. I don't think anyone should be made to work for their benefits. If there is a job that needs doing then people should be paid for doing it.

Edited by rover 623gsi on Sunday 4th September 18:45

Wrong way round. If people are being paid, then they should do some work for it.

[thinfourth2]

OllieC said:

We should make them break rocks

Why what have the rocks done?

Rocks have rights

[Ozzie Osmond]

Steffan said:

Quite simply we cannot have it all.

Who is "we"?

a) The people (from bankers to footballers) stuffing hundreds of thousands a year into their pockets? or

b) The graduates hunting for decent jobs?


But I absolutely agree, "benefits" as a lifestyle choice must change.

[eldar]

rover 623gsi said:

yes it will be nice if everywhere is clean and tidy but what you are suggesting is that people should work for (much) less than the minimum wage. I don't think anyone should be made to work for their benefits. If there is a job that needs doing then people should be paid for doing it.

Edited by rover 623gsi on Sunday 4th September 18:45

Fair enough, but why should those capable, but not working, be paid? That is unfair towards the people who do work, behave responsibly and pay their taxes.

There is plenty of work that needs doing, that the country can't afford, so doesn't get done. Working for benefits (within reason) will either motivate people towards better paid work and off benefits, or make the place a nicer place to live. Seems a win-win.

[anonymous-user]

I think there was a thread months ago about bringing back workhouses. In my town we have at least two hostels full of young people waiting to be GIVEN a house. These fkers do sod all except scrap, bh, reproduce and get pissed/stoned all day. We need to break their ways and get something back in return for all we give them.

[powerstroke]

nm231 said:

What about sending home many of the immigrants (illegal or otherwise) that have appeared here over the last few years. Surely that will free up many jobs and money as there will be less immigrants on benefits aswell.

you wouldent need too !!!! if benifits were realy paired back to just food stamps and a hostel place for the unimployed they would soon get the idea to compete with the foreign labour for the jobs the chavs feel are beneath them or are too bone idle to do at
the moment.. I would do away with all the tax credits family allowance but increase the threshold tax is paid so if you work hard do overtime or a extra job it will be rewarded you could maybe have a minimum 40% flat tax rate for non residents

Edited by powerstroke on Sunday 4th September 21:57

[Steffan]

powerstroke said:

nm231 said:

What about sending home many of the immigrants (illegal or otherwise) that have appeared here over the last few years. Surely that will free up many jobs and money as there will be less immigrants on benefits aswell.

you wouldent need too !!!! if benifits were realy paired back to just food stamps and a hostel place for the unimployed they would soon get the idea to compete with the foreign labour for the jobs the chavs feel are beneath them or are too bone idle to do at
the moment.. I would do away with all the tax credits family allowance but increase the threshold tax is paid so if you work hard do overtime or a extra job it will be rewarded you could maybe have a minimum 40% flat tax rate for non residents

Edited by powerstroke on Sunday 4th September 21:57

I agree with your sentiments.

Until the government face this problem the economy is going to continue to decline. Ever able bodies individual has to be totally committed to working to earn a living.

And a substantial minority will not look for work if they can find a way of avoiding work. Work must be the centre piece of every UK residents life. It is completely unrealistic and pernicious to regard work as something you do as a last resort.

That is the attitude the benefits system has engendered in millions of benefits claimants in the UK and we have to find a way to stop it.

[groak]

One Tuesday afternoon you look up from your desk, and there in front of you is a strange smelly dishevelled shifty looking creature.

" hi!! I'm Weasel! I'm a feral junkie! I need a fix every 4 hours or I start 'rattling' and behaving chaotically and inappropriately unable to focus on anything other than how to get my next fix. I'm just out of jail a week, where I did 6 months of a 12 month stretch for housebreaking. Pled guilty and asked for 15 other offences to be taken into consideration. I managed to get my hands on dribs and drabs of smack in the pokey, but now I'm out I've got my full-on habit going again. I don't just break into houses, though. I steal from anywhere and anybody I can, including cars, handbag snatches, and even my ma's jewellery and sister's MP3 from the house. Sometimes I deal tiny amounts just to get a hit. But President Steffan says I'm not to get any more free methadone or benefits, so I'm going to have to get far more money as well as just my drug money which is why I'm in YOUR office looking for a job!!

I'm 27, but I've never had a job, like my dad -God rest him - before me. Booze was his problem. Killed him in the end. They say my granda had a job in the steelworks, but Mrs Thatcher put paid to it, and no-one in the whole street ever worked again. I've been using since i was 17, and am a HepC and B carrier, but I definitely don't have The Virus - at least I don't think I do - so you don't have to worry on that score! The way I live means I keep erratic hours, and of course now I'm homeless it won't help either, but I might be able to get in on time occasionally if I've got kit, otherwise well, mate, you know the score, I'll just have to go out grafting till I'm sorted.

If you like me and you think I'd fit in well in your office environment there's THOUSANDS like me, and 100's of thousands if not MILLIONS of other career criminals, antisocials and other beasts, demons and parasites who President Steffan's taking off benefits. So gissajob, mister. I promise I won't steal from or infect your staff! On my kid's eyes! I went to try for a job in that barstward Groak's office, but he said the only thing he was prepared to do was give me 50 quid a week to stay the feck away from his office so here I am, mate. Weasel. At your service! GISSAJOB!!"

[oyster]

nm231 said:

What about sending home many of the immigrants (illegal or otherwise) that have appeared here over the last few years. Surely that will free up many jobs and money as there will be less immigrants on benefits aswell.

Why would you want to do that?
I'd want to employ hard-working, educated, loyal and trust-worthy staff. I do not care whether they were born in Malawi or Manchester. Do you prefer lazy indigenous people?

[Getragdogleg]

groak said:

One Tuesday afternoon you look up from your desk, and there in front of you is a strange smelly dishevelled shifty looking creature.

" hi!! I'm Weasel! I'm a feral junkie! I need a fix every 4 hours or I start 'rattling' and behaving chaotically and inappropriately unable to focus on anything other than how to get my next fix. I'm just out of jail a week, where I did 6 months of a 12 month stretch for housebreaking. Pled guilty and asked for 15 other offences to be taken into consideration. I managed to get my hands on dribs and drabs of smack in the pokey, but now I'm out I've got my full-on habit going again. I don't just break into houses, though. I steal from anywhere and anybody I can, including cars, handbag snatches, and even my ma's jewellery and sister's MP3 from the house. Sometimes I deal tiny amounts just to get a hit. But President Steffan says I'm not to get any more free methadone or benefits, so I'm going to have to get far more money as well as just my drug money which is why I'm in YOUR office looking for a job!!

I'm 27, but I've never had a job, like my dad -God rest him - before me. Booze was his problem. Killed him in the end. They say my granda had a job in the steelworks, but Mrs Thatcher put paid to it, and no-one in the whole street ever worked again. I've been using since i was 17, and am a HepC and B carrier, but I definitely don't have The Virus - at least I don't think I do - so you don't have to worry on that score! The way I live means I keep erratic hours, and of course now I'm homeless it won't help either, but I might be able to get in on time occasionally if I've got kit, otherwise well, mate, you know the score, I'll just have to go out grafting till I'm sorted.

If you like me and you think I'd fit in well in your office environment there's THOUSANDS like me, and 100's of thousands if not MILLIONS of other career criminals, antisocials and other beasts, demons and parasites who President Steffan's taking off benefits. So gissajob, mister. I promise I won't steal from or infect your staff! On my kid's eyes! I went to try for a job in that barstward Groak's office, but he said the only thing he was prepared to do was give me 50 quid a week to stay the feck away from his office so here I am, mate. Weasel. At your service! GISSAJOB!!"

"bang bang" "security, got another one for you to bury"