Sally Bercow – the new Marie Antoinette?
Discussion
RedLeicester said:
Regiment said:
I believe she's been mis-quoted completely by the site and some people on here need to understand what she actually put and not what you all wanted her to put
Really? She misquoted herself in her own Tweet? Wow, that's spin, impressive.
RedLeicester said:
Really? She misquoted herself in her own Tweet? Wow, that's spin, impressive.
If you read what she's put and what the news article on the link is saying, it's 2 completely different things.She ignorantly said that it's a good thing people are buying less weapons, the news artcles states that she said it's a good thing 3000 people have lost their jobs. 2 completely different things.
I say she ignorantly says that because her point is wrong and that it just means that 3000 people have lost their jobs because other countries are going elsewhere for their weapons.
edit: The quotes are below
Sally Bewcow: "Just seen news about BAE axing 3000 jobs. Awful 4 those concerned but surely fact
that weapon sales are slowing down is a *good* thing, no?" - this means it's awful that 3000 jobs have gone but that it's good that weapon sales are slowing down.
Sally Bercow: "Loss of 3000 BAE Jobs “A Good Thing”" - this means that it's good that 3000 people at BAE have lost their jobs.
As you can clearly see, it's 2 completely different things.
Edited by Regiment on Monday 26th September 12:18
Regiment said:
RedLeicester said:
Really? She misquoted herself in her own Tweet? Wow, that's spin, impressive.
If you read what she's put and what the news article on the link is saying, it's 2 completely different things.She ignorantly said that it's a good thing people are buying less weapons, the news artcles states that she said it's a good thing 3000 people have lost their jobs. 2 completely different things.
I say she ignorantly says that because her point is wrong and that it just means that 3000 people have lost their jobs because other countries are going elsewhere for their weapons.
edit: The quotes are below
Sally Bewcow: "Just seen news about BAE axing 3000 jobs. Awful 4 those concerned but surely fact
that weapon sales are slowing down is a *good* thing, no?" - this means it's awful that 3000 jobs have gone but that it's good that weapon sales are slowing down.
Sally Bercow: "Loss of 3000 BAE Jobs “A Good Thing”" - this means that it's good that 3000 people at BAE have lost their jobs.
As you can clearly see, it's 2 completely different things.
Victor McDade said:
Amateurish said:
Seems like a fair enough comment, TBH. s
t news for the workers laid off. But we sell fewer jets to Gaddafi and other despots. Swings and roundabouts.
If we don't sell them then someone else will. The problem does not go away, we just don't profit from it.t news for the workers laid off. But we sell fewer jets to Gaddafi and other despots. Swings and roundabouts. I've heard North Korea exports nuclear tech to Iran. Maybe we should get a piece of that action as well?
Amateurish said:
Victor McDade said:
Amateurish said:
Seems like a fair enough comment, TBH. st news for the workers laid off. But we sell fewer jets to Gaddafi and other despots. Swings and roundabouts.
If we don't sell them then someone else will. The problem does not go away, we just don't profit from it.t news for the workers laid off. But we sell fewer jets to Gaddafi and other despots. Swings and roundabouts. I've heard North Korea exports nuclear tech to Iran. Maybe we should get a piece of that action as well?
Regiment said:
Sally Bewcow: "Just seen news about BAE axing 3000 jobs. Awful 4 those concerned but surely fact
that weapon sales are slowing down is a *good* thing, no?" - this means it's awful that 3000 jobs have gone but that it's good that weapon sales are slowing down.
Sally Bercow: "Loss of 3000 BAE Jobs “A Good Thing”" - this means that it's good that 3000 people at BAE have lost their jobs.
As you can clearly see, it's 2 completely different things.
The link has certainly spun it a bit but I wouldn't say it's 2 completely different things. They are interlinked.that weapon sales are slowing down is a *good* thing, no?" - this means it's awful that 3000 jobs have gone but that it's good that weapon sales are slowing down.
Sally Bercow: "Loss of 3000 BAE Jobs “A Good Thing”" - this means that it's good that 3000 people at BAE have lost their jobs.
As you can clearly see, it's 2 completely different things.
Amateurish said:
Victor McDade said:
Amateurish said:
Seems like a fair enough comment, TBH. st news for the workers laid off. But we sell fewer jets to Gaddafi and other despots. Swings and roundabouts.
If we don't sell them then someone else will. The problem does not go away, we just don't profit from it.t news for the workers laid off. But we sell fewer jets to Gaddafi and other despots. Swings and roundabouts. I've heard North Korea exports nuclear tech to Iran. Maybe we should get a piece of that action as well?
How far do you take the moral argument? Should we have an arms industry at all?
Esseesse said:
We have decided to buy trains from Siemens rather than our own British company, EU laws withstanding I can't imagine the French allowing the same thing to happen.
Eurostar, which is half owned by SNCF, have selected Siemens as the preferred bidder for 10 new trainsets to expand the route network. Alstom, who built the French TGV and the existing Eurostar trainsets, have gone mental but so far SNCF have stuck to their guns. Partly because there is a perception that Alstom need a good kick up the backside. Mind you, Alstom also hate the fact that Bombardier build the regional trains even though the factory is in France.Victor McDade said:
Selling nuclear tech in such circumstances in illegal, selling fighter jets to Arab dictators is not.
Well it is when you get the deal by paying bribes to various Saudi princes - or at least that was the view of the American DoJ when they fined BAE $400m.And of course BAE leaned on the Government to close down the SFO investigation into the same deal on grounds of national security.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6180945.stm
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