Gareth Chasmore faces life or death if convicted for drugs
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bob1179 said:
I have zero sympathy for anybody stupid enough to try and smuggle drugs, especially into or out of places like Indonesia.
The diabetic from Manchester was said to have sold meat in the local pubs, he was obviously offered the job thinking it would be easy and he could make a fast buck. This is the result.
The second para - sold meat in pubs.The diabetic from Manchester was said to have sold meat in the local pubs, he was obviously offered the job thinking it would be easy and he could make a fast buck. This is the result.
Says it all, bet the Tesco/Morrisons/ASDA lables were still on the packets.
Once had a client who was in the cop shop protesting their innocence and that they were being fitted up for stealing a couple of pork joints. I knew they was innocent and telling the truth for once as they only ever stole beef ones, knowing that lb for lb they were worth more...
Rude-boy said:
The second para - sold meat in pubs.
Says it all, bet the Tesco/Morrisons/ASDA lables were still on the packets.
Once had a client who was in the cop shop protesting their innocence and that they were being fitted up for stealing a couple of pork joints. I knew they was innocent and telling the truth for once as they only ever stole beef ones, knowing that lb for lb they were worth more...
When I worked at Sainsburys we used to do random searches of people leaving the building at the end of their shift. We checked one guy the day before Christmas Eve and he had big frozen turkey in his rucksack - swore blind he had bought it that day. The next day he sent a family member into buy a similar turkey so he could produce the receipt in his defence, not realising the date on the receipt was the day after he tried to pinch the turkey.Says it all, bet the Tesco/Morrisons/ASDA lables were still on the packets.
Once had a client who was in the cop shop protesting their innocence and that they were being fitted up for stealing a couple of pork joints. I knew they was innocent and telling the truth for once as they only ever stole beef ones, knowing that lb for lb they were worth more...
That and the CCTV footage of him actually taking the bird in the first place...
Some people are just stupid.
WeirdNeville said:
Meanwhile, your shipment of many kilos more goes through the airport, possibly on the same plane or possibly not, unnoticed and un-looked for.
How does that work though?The mule gets arrested and taken away and surely his/her luggage doesn't get put on to the plane. So the drugs inside his/her luggage or on his/her person does not make it any further towards its destination.
The luggage and any drooogs found on the person will be kept as evidence and then disposed accordingly.
Or am I missing something obvious?
AJI said:
How does that work though?
The mule gets arrested and taken away and surely his/her luggage doesn't get put on to the plane. So the drugs inside his/her luggage or on his/her person does not make it any further towards its destination.
The luggage and any drooogs found on the person will be kept as evidence and then disposed accordingly.
Or am I missing something obvious?
Yes. The drug dealers have another package/mule behind him in the qeue or slightly later that day, so while customs is busy dealing with the mule with a few kg's, a bigger shipment is being made and will hopefully slip through while they are concentrating on the guy they caught.The mule gets arrested and taken away and surely his/her luggage doesn't get put on to the plane. So the drugs inside his/her luggage or on his/her person does not make it any further towards its destination.
The luggage and any drooogs found on the person will be kept as evidence and then disposed accordingly.
Or am I missing something obvious?
AJI said:
Or am I missing something obvious?
There are other alternatives but:-1. ‘Grassed’ mule with £100k gets caught, all attention on them as other mule slips through with cursory glance with £2m worth.
2. ‘Grassed’ mule with £100k gets caught, all attention on them as other mule with £2m worth is allowed through with a friendly nod from customs officer who later meets a mate in bar who accidently leaves a brown envelope on the table.
3. Grassed’ mule with £100k gets caught today, next 5 mules with £2m each worth pass straight through over the next few months.
AJI said:
How does that work though?
The mule gets arrested and taken away and surely his/her luggage doesn't get put on to the plane. So the drugs inside his/her luggage or on his/her person does not make it any further towards its destination.
The luggage and any drooogs found on the person will be kept as evidence and then disposed accordingly.
Or am I missing something obvious?
Comedy! The mule gets arrested and taken away and surely his/her luggage doesn't get put on to the plane. So the drugs inside his/her luggage or on his/her person does not make it any further towards its destination.
The luggage and any drooogs found on the person will be kept as evidence and then disposed accordingly.
Or am I missing something obvious?
Are they really that relaxed about this issue in airport checks?
I thought every piece of luggage is scanned before going on to a plane?
Accepted, this wouldn't get picked up if the drooogs were on the person, as it would require everyone to be strip searched. But I was always under the impression that everyone was under the same level of scrutiny no matter if they had some of their staff in a locked room with their hands up some mule back-passage.
Basically what I'm saying is that, aren't all airports staffed to a level whereby if some were 'tied up' then there would be other staff still on 'watch'?
Because if we, as general public car enthusiasts on a car forum have picked up on a 'loop hole' then trained security organisations would be aware of this?
I'm happy to be corrected of course.
I thought every piece of luggage is scanned before going on to a plane?
Accepted, this wouldn't get picked up if the drooogs were on the person, as it would require everyone to be strip searched. But I was always under the impression that everyone was under the same level of scrutiny no matter if they had some of their staff in a locked room with their hands up some mule back-passage.
Basically what I'm saying is that, aren't all airports staffed to a level whereby if some were 'tied up' then there would be other staff still on 'watch'?
Because if we, as general public car enthusiasts on a car forum have picked up on a 'loop hole' then trained security organisations would be aware of this?
I'm happy to be corrected of course.
Frankeh said:
Should have just f
king DHL'd it there!
Funny you should mention freight companies, prior to 9/11 only a handful of shipments were scanned, freight from known companies rarely was. While working in Ireland we were told of the 'free trade' zone outside Limerick beingking DHL'd it there! the gateway into the UK smuggling. Google Limerick Crime gangs.
Anyone who attempts to smuggle goods as part of personal luggage clearly has a screw loose.
1-3 kilos is chicken feed. It's a disposable cost of doing business to traffickers. They don't give a hoot about the drugs the mule is caught with, or the mule. International traffikers do not get rich by using mules. They ship tonnage.
They care about the Shipment - could be same day, could be another, could be by freight/air/sea/tunnel, getting through. They throw the dog a bone to keep it happy and occupied whilst their shipments go through ignored either actively or passively by people who should be stopping them.
Have a read of 'Mr Nice' by Howard Marks. Shipping drugs is no different to shipping any other bulk products. You just have to be a bit more careful. Most of the methods he used relied on swapping/dodgy paperwork in customs clearing houses and so would not work the same way, but he could get 10 tonnes of weed across borders without major drama. Same ocurrs now. Look at the sizes of some of the major busts when proper shipments get discovered: They're tonnes and tonnes, not a kilos of heroin up someones bum.
So, the mule is a pawn, sacrificed for position in the overall game.
They care about the Shipment - could be same day, could be another, could be by freight/air/sea/tunnel, getting through. They throw the dog a bone to keep it happy and occupied whilst their shipments go through ignored either actively or passively by people who should be stopping them.
Have a read of 'Mr Nice' by Howard Marks. Shipping drugs is no different to shipping any other bulk products. You just have to be a bit more careful. Most of the methods he used relied on swapping/dodgy paperwork in customs clearing houses and so would not work the same way, but he could get 10 tonnes of weed across borders without major drama. Same ocurrs now. Look at the sizes of some of the major busts when proper shipments get discovered: They're tonnes and tonnes, not a kilos of heroin up someones bum.
So, the mule is a pawn, sacrificed for position in the overall game.
I'm pretty sure that smuggling drugs is easy if no one knows you're doing it.
I'd hazard a guess that 95%+ of seizers take place because someone ratted out the smuggler.. I don't think the systems in place are sophisticated to check even 5% of the packages that go through customs.
I remember hearing someone once say that if you ever wanted to smuggle uranium into a country then hiding it in a shipment of weed would be the way to go.
I'd hazard a guess that 95%+ of seizers take place because someone ratted out the smuggler.. I don't think the systems in place are sophisticated to check even 5% of the packages that go through customs.
I remember hearing someone once say that if you ever wanted to smuggle uranium into a country then hiding it in a shipment of weed would be the way to go.
Frankeh said:
I'm pretty sure that smuggling drugs is easy if no one knows you're doing it.
I'd hazard a guess that 95%+ of seizers take place because someone ratted out the smuggler.. I don't think the systems in place are sophisticated to check even 5% of the packages that go through customs.
I remember hearing someone once say that if you ever wanted to smuggle uranium into a country then hiding it in a shipment of weed would be the way to go.
Nar, car headlights and children's balls is where it's at for those babies I'd hazard a guess that 95%+ of seizers take place because someone ratted out the smuggler.. I don't think the systems in place are sophisticated to check even 5% of the packages that go through customs.
I remember hearing someone once say that if you ever wanted to smuggle uranium into a country then hiding it in a shipment of weed would be the way to go.
paddyhasneeds said:
I don't get why anyone would take the risk tbh. It's not like it's not common knowledge that over the far east they'll likely kill you if they catch you with even a small amount of drugs.
If you're a local. If you're a Westerner you will get banged up for a long time and then released early at some point after negotiations with your government. They don't execute Westerners for drug trafficking, even if it does say so on your landing card.unrepentant said:
If you're a local. If you're a Westerner you will get banged up for a long time and then released early at some point after negotiations with your government. They don't execute Westerners for drug trafficking, even if it does say so on your landing card.
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