Gareth Chasmore faces life or death if convicted for drugs
Discussion
Bing o said:
WeirdNeville said:
He's a 14 year old who bought drugs.
Were you never a child?
I know English people won't get this, but in civilised countries, it is not normal for 14 year olds to buy drugs. Were you never a child?
WeirdNeville said:
Bing o said:
WeirdNeville said:
He's a 14 year old who bought drugs.
Were you never a child?
I know English people won't get this, but in civilised countries, it is not normal for 14 year olds to buy drugs. Were you never a child?
WeirdNeville said:
n civilised countries we don't send 14 year olds to an adult prison for a minor offence.
Well, it's not a minor offence in an islamic country. Maybe if the UK punished it's young offenders properly in the first place, you wouldn't have 12 year olds looting shops and beating up old people.ChristophStone said:
Nothing wrong with the act of taking a drug. At all. Your body, you should be able to do what you like to it.
The message gets kindof tainted when you include the trail of prduction and everything associated with it.
Maybe you should. But the fact is, it's illegal in Indonesia, and the punishment is well known. So if you want to have control over your own body, try not doing something which you know will get you slung in jail or killed to death...The message gets kindof tainted when you include the trail of prduction and everything associated with it.
Another excerpt from the news:
In many western countries, a telling off, possibly by the roadside, then you're on your bike, son, and you're home. I had marijuana taken from me in Africa by officials. It was case of letting them search me, letting them have it, letting them phone family to pick me up, at my request because I was waiting for family anyway, as I had just arrived. 15 minutes later I was home, they didn't even ask my name I don't think. The incident went unreported and drugs were undoubtedly smoked by the officials.
So, Id be inclined to sympathise with him. How was he to know he may have ended up with more than confiscation and a warning/telling off? Can we be sure that we knew he knew the law, at 14, in a foreign country the other side of the civilised world?
Even movies about drugs (Pulp Fiction springs to mind) educate youngsters that drugs are sometimes legal in countries, which have designated smoking areas.
Chap needs to plead guilty. Firstly, you are a few degrees more 'guilty until proven innocent' than over here. Secondly, a guilty plea in the east guarantees a reduction of sentence, its the way things roll over there.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/boy-14-in-bali-drug...
Website Said said:
He spent a frightening first evening alone at the police station until his parents, with whom he had been holidaying, arrived the next morning.
Lawyer Muhammad Rifan said last night that the boy had been ''crying all day'' and refusing to eat. His parents were depressed and feeling helpless as the enormity of their predicament set in.
Indonesian courts can commute sentences for drug crimes to a few months, or even waive jail time completely, but there must be evidence that the accused is a drug addict.
Mr Rifan said if the parents could provide evidence that they had sought treatment for their son in Australia for any addiction, he would probably get off. Otherwise, he could face jail time of six months to four years.
The boy could be held at the police lock-up for up to a month while his alleged crime is investigated. If police decide they will proceed with the case, he will be formally charged and face court in Denpasar.
Cannabis is considered a narcotic in Indonesia on a par with heroin, cocaine and methamphetamine.
Lawyer Muhammad Rifan said last night that the boy had been ''crying all day'' and refusing to eat. His parents were depressed and feeling helpless as the enormity of their predicament set in.
Indonesian courts can commute sentences for drug crimes to a few months, or even waive jail time completely, but there must be evidence that the accused is a drug addict.
Mr Rifan said if the parents could provide evidence that they had sought treatment for their son in Australia for any addiction, he would probably get off. Otherwise, he could face jail time of six months to four years.
The boy could be held at the police lock-up for up to a month while his alleged crime is investigated. If police decide they will proceed with the case, he will be formally charged and face court in Denpasar.
Cannabis is considered a narcotic in Indonesia on a par with heroin, cocaine and methamphetamine.
Bing o said:
it's illegal in Indonesia, and the punishment is well known.
Im obviously older than the 14 year old boy, not even from his generation, but until recent years didn't realise quite how severe the penal and justice system were in Bali. Ive always travelled south or west, never to the east.In many western countries, a telling off, possibly by the roadside, then you're on your bike, son, and you're home. I had marijuana taken from me in Africa by officials. It was case of letting them search me, letting them have it, letting them phone family to pick me up, at my request because I was waiting for family anyway, as I had just arrived. 15 minutes later I was home, they didn't even ask my name I don't think. The incident went unreported and drugs were undoubtedly smoked by the officials.
So, Id be inclined to sympathise with him. How was he to know he may have ended up with more than confiscation and a warning/telling off? Can we be sure that we knew he knew the law, at 14, in a foreign country the other side of the civilised world?
Even movies about drugs (Pulp Fiction springs to mind) educate youngsters that drugs are sometimes legal in countries, which have designated smoking areas.
Chap needs to plead guilty. Firstly, you are a few degrees more 'guilty until proven innocent' than over here. Secondly, a guilty plea in the east guarantees a reduction of sentence, its the way things roll over there.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/boy-14-in-bali-drug...
Also, I've never been to Bali, but if it's anything like here in Thailand there are certain areas you could believe that smoking dope is the most normal thing in the world. Cars and motorbikes have cannabis leaf stickers on them, reggae (or some sort of close immitation) blaring out of shops and public buses, and quite open display of smoking paraphernalia. I can see how one would forget that you can end up doing a long stretch in prison for having what in the UK would be considered a small amount of dope, and even worse for trafficking the heavier stuff.
Even so, there's ample warnings at the airports, and when I see a warning like "Death Penalty for Drug Trafficking" I don't have to read it twice to realise this probably isn't the place to play around with drugs.
Even so, there's ample warnings at the airports, and when I see a warning like "Death Penalty for Drug Trafficking" I don't have to read it twice to realise this probably isn't the place to play around with drugs.
Mobsta said:
So, Id be inclined to sympathise with him. How was he to know he may have ended up with more than confiscation and a warning/telling off? Can we be sure that we knew he knew the law, at 14, in a foreign country the other side of the civilised world?
it's made very clear on whatever form of transport that you take in to Indonesia that drug trafficking is punishable by death. Maybe he was stoned at the time?Bing o said:
Mobsta said:
So, Id be inclined to sympathise with him. How was he to know he may have ended up with more than confiscation and a warning/telling off? Can we be sure that we knew he knew the law, at 14, in a foreign country the other side of the civilised world?
it's made very clear on whatever form of transport that you take in to Indonesia that drug trafficking is punishable by death. Maybe he was stoned at the time?AJI said:
Are they really that relaxed about this issue in airport checks?
I thought every piece of luggage is scanned before going on to a plane?
Accepted, this wouldn't get picked up if the drooogs were on the person, as it would require everyone to be strip searched. But I was always under the impression that everyone was under the same level of scrutiny no matter if they had some of their staff in a locked room with their hands up some mule back-passage.
Basically what I'm saying is that, aren't all airports staffed to a level whereby if some were 'tied up' then there would be other staff still on 'watch'?
Because if we, as general public car enthusiasts on a car forum have picked up on a 'loop hole' then trained security organisations would be aware of this?
I'm happy to be corrected of course.
every heard of organised crime?? bent officials? I'll make you an offer you wont refuse....I thought every piece of luggage is scanned before going on to a plane?
Accepted, this wouldn't get picked up if the drooogs were on the person, as it would require everyone to be strip searched. But I was always under the impression that everyone was under the same level of scrutiny no matter if they had some of their staff in a locked room with their hands up some mule back-passage.
Basically what I'm saying is that, aren't all airports staffed to a level whereby if some were 'tied up' then there would be other staff still on 'watch'?
Because if we, as general public car enthusiasts on a car forum have picked up on a 'loop hole' then trained security organisations would be aware of this?
I'm happy to be corrected of course.
where you brought up with a blindfold on and golden spoon in your mouth.
singlecoil said:
Does buying a small quantity of cannabis count as drug trafficking though? I understood in most jurisdictions there was a considerable difference between buying and possessing small quantities for one's own use, and handling larger quantities (with a presumption that one is going to sell to others).
It's more about being a bit too thick or arrogant to appreciate that he is a white, Christian in a third world, Islaamic, police state and the significance of this. I spent many years before work moving around places like this and then many years with work moving around the same places but from a different angle. I find it very hard to have any form of sympathy for people who foolishly or wilfully decline to adjust their principals and/or ways when in another country. Especially the more backward/savage ones.
As for the kids age. One wonders about the parents and what social skills they have imparted as part of their role.
robsti said:
AJS- said:
Where does this "Obvious troll is obvious" s
t come from by the way? It really annoys me.
It comes from people who have a lack of intelligence but think they are socially superior because they are PC ( pathetic c**ts)!t come from by the way? It really annoys me.
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DonkeyApple said:
singlecoil said:
Does buying a small quantity of cannabis count as drug trafficking though? I understood in most jurisdictions there was a considerable difference between buying and possessing small quantities for one's own use, and handling larger quantities (with a presumption that one is going to sell to others).
It's more about being a bit too thick or arrogant to appreciate that he is a white, Christian in a third world, Islaamic, police state and the significance of this. singlecoil said:
Doesn't correspond to any definition of trafficking that I've ever seen. And you left out 'naive', which I would have thought apply here far more than 'thick' or 'arrogant'. Youngsters are more likely to do silly stuff than adults, which is one of the reasons they are usually dealt with differently.
I missed the mention of trafficking. Where has that appeared from? I thought he had been caught in possession/use of a prohibited substance, hence the talk of jail time. I'm sure trafficking requires an intent to cross Borders and would have thought the media would be spinning a death sentence angle?Pretty sure that when I was 14 I knew the basic rules of the countries I was in. I distinctly recall being told by my parents. Fundamentally because this is one of the roles of the adult guardian.
Dont think that I am pro the rules, but I am certainly pro knowing what the rules are, where I am.
DonkeyApple said:
Pretty sure that when I was 14 I knew the basic rules of the countries I was in. I distinctly recall being told by my parents. Fundamentally because this is one of the roles of the adult guardian.
Dont think that I am pro the rules, but I am certainly pro knowing what the rules are, where I am.
I too knew the rules when I was fourteen, didn't always obey them, though. Sometimes kids aren't so good at figuring their likelihood of being caught. I did stuff when I was more than fourteen which, although not likely to land me in an Indonesian prison, would still have had very severe consequences. I wouldn't do those things now, but I did then.Dont think that I am pro the rules, but I am certainly pro knowing what the rules are, where I am.
singlecoil said:
I too knew the rules when I was fourteen, didn't always obey them, though. Sometimes kids aren't so good at figuring their likelihood of being caught. I did stuff when I was more than fourteen which, although not likely to land me in an Indonesian prison, would still have had very severe consequences. I wouldn't do those things now, but I did then.
Glad you have learnt some senesce! 
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