Sun causes warm or cold winters......

[frosted]

The only cold month was December , google being my friend and all that , then a short cold spell in January and then it was above average for the remaining months . March, April, May saw little showers and if you care to remember it was better than the whole summer

Month '71-'00 average N-W tracker
January 4.2C 4.15°C
February4.2C 6.97°C
March 6.3C 7.2°C
April 8.1C 12.42°C
May 11.3C 12.91°C
June 14.1C 14.76°C
July 16.5C 16.03°C
August 16.2C 16.12°C
September13.7C 15.71°C
October 10.4C 15.88°C
November 6.9C 0°C
December 5.1C 0°C

My phone doesn't like copy/paste but you can look at the figures here http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=cet;sess...

Edited by frosted on Monday 10th October 11:36

[turbobloke]

More about the mild winters of 2008/9 and 2009/10 here. Record cold, record snow, sharp rise in freezing to death, hardly particularly bad. Not global. Nothing to see here.

Freezing to death in Thailand
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapac...

Freezing to death in India
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsDetails.aspx?st...

Freezing to death in China
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/feb/02/business/f...

Freezing to death in Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay, Chile and Bolivia
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/20/southern-cone-...

Freezing to death in the USA
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/feb2003/cold-f05...

Freezing to death in Germany and Austria
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/26750...

Freezing to death in Romania
http://www.wavemagazine.net/arhiva/40/topic/freezi...

Freezing to Death in Poland and Belgium
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Eight_freeze_to_...

Freezing to death in the UK
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/215510/Britain...

[frosted]

Guam said:

Hang on we werent supposed to have snow any more according to the AGW mob and the met office, " Our children will grow up not knowing what snow is" <or words to that effect.

So what is this Globally warm white stuff then?

A new form of Solid rain that exists ABOVE freezing?

Don't see why your asking me this question don't work for the MET office , I'm showing a few posters that it was cold only for 2 months( November & December ) , after that it was above average till June

[chris watton]

Just savour the mildness of last winter - perhaps some non believing scum airbrushed the white onto the image....

[frosted]

turbobloke said:

More about the mild winters of 2008/9 and 2009/10 here. Record cold, record snow, sharp rise in freezing to death, hardly particularly bad. Not global. Nothing to see here.

Freezing to death in Thailand
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapac...

Freezing to death in India
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsDetails.aspx?st...

Freezing to death in China
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/feb/02/business/f...

Freezing to death in Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay, Chile and Bolivia
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/20/southern-cone-...

Freezing to death in the USA
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/feb2003/cold-f05...

Freezing to death in Germany and Austria
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/26750...

Freezing to death in Romania
http://www.wavemagazine.net/arhiva/40/topic/freezi...

Freezing to Death in Poland and Belgium
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Eight_freeze_to_...

Freezing to death in the UK
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/215510/Britain...

Why don't you just look at some graphs that you understand instead of giving me cheap headlines to make your point ?

[turbobloke]

C'mon people.

Warm or above average is global warming.

Cold or below average is weather.

Happening all around the world is not global.

Geddit?

[turbobloke]

frosted said:

turbobloke said:

More about the mild winters of 2008/9 and 2009/10 here. Record cold, record snow, sharp rise in freezing to death, hardly particularly bad. Not global. Nothing to see here.

Freezing to death in Thailand
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapac...

Freezing to death in India
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsDetails.aspx?st...

Freezing to death in China
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/feb/02/business/f...

Freezing to death in Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay, Chile and Bolivia
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/20/southern-cone-...

Freezing to death in the USA
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/feb2003/cold-f05...

Freezing to death in Germany and Austria
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/26750...

Freezing to death in Romania
http://www.wavemagazine.net/arhiva/40/topic/freezi...

Freezing to Death in Poland and Belgium
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Eight_freeze_to_...

Freezing to death in the UK
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/215510/Britain...

Why don't you just look at some graphs that you understand instead of giving me cheap headlines to make your point ?

You are hilarous.

Data in the articles, and the number of people dying, is unpalatable to you?

You regard human life lost as a cheap headline?

Thanks for admitting I made my point, appreciation is always welcome

Edited by turbobloke on Monday 10th October 11:52

[AshVX220]

Oh God, we've got another one!!

Or is it an existing one in disguise?

[Blib]

Mild winter eh, Frosted? Not according to the met office.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/2011/winter...

[quote=article]Mean temperatures over the UK were 5.0 °C below average during December, 0.3 °C below average in January and 1.9 °C above average in February. The UK mean temperature for the winter as a whole was 2.4 °C, making it less cold than winter 2009/10 which was 1.6 °C but still the second-coldest winter since 1985/86 with 2.3 °C. Over Scotland and Northern Ireland it was the second-coldest winter since 1985/86 and 1978/79 respectively, with again only last winter having been colder. Over Northern Ireland it was equal sixth-coldest winter in the series from 1910. Over England and Wales it was the second-coldest since 1995/96, with only last winter having been colder.

December was exceptionally cold across the UK; the coldest December in over 100 years, with the highest number of air frosts in at least the last 50 years. It was the coldest calendar month since February 1986, and in Northern Ireland the coldest calendar month of the last 100 years. Chilly conditions persisted in early January, before a milder spell around mid-month then a return to colder weather. Mean temperatures finished somewhat below normal. Temperatures were generally above average in February, making it the mildest February since 2002. The number of air frosts was the fourth lowest in February in the last 50 years./quote]

[Oakey]

Blib said:

ter eh, Frosted? Not according to the met office.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/2011/winter...

article said:

Mean temperatures over the UK were 5.0 °C below average during December, 0.3 °C below average in January and 1.9 °C above average in February. The UK mean temperature for the winter as a whole was 2.4 °C, making it less cold than winter 2009/10 which was 1.6 °C but still the second-coldest winter since 1985/86 with 2.3 °C. Over Scotland and Northern Ireland it was the second-coldest winter since 1985/86 and 1978/79 respectively, with again only last winter having been colder. Over Northern Ireland it was equal sixth-coldest winter in the series from 1910. Over England and Wales it was the second-coldest since 1995/96, with only last winter having been colder.

December was exceptionally cold across the UK; the coldest December in over 100 years, with the highest number of air frosts in at least the last 50 years. It was the coldest calendar month since February 1986, and in Northern Ireland the coldest calendar month of the last 100 years. Chilly conditions persisted in early January, before a milder spell around mid-month then a return to colder weather. Mean temperatures finished somewhat below normal. Temperatures were generally above average in February, making it the mildest February since 2002. The number of air frosts was the fourth lowest in February in the last 50 years.

Yeah but that doesn't count as evidence as it doesn't fit with his viewpoint.

[Blib]

Maybe, he has a different definition of "winter"?

[frosted]

So it was really cold on December and average in January and way above average in February etc ....

What have I been saying all along ?

[Blib]

frosted said:

So it was really cold on December and average in January and way above average in February etc ....

What have I been saying all along ?

Below average in January. Two of the three months were below average. Overall......

NOT MILD

So, your assertion that it was a mild winter is wrong, Frosted.

Keep up man.

[Dift]

frosted said:

So it was really cold on December and average in January and way above average in February etc ....

What have I been saying all along ?

1.5 degrees from the mean described as "WAY" above?
5 degrees below in December only classed as "REALLY"?

[frosted]

Ok

[Le TVR]

Pretty damn cold in the south of France too:

Seeing a lot more of that wierd white stuff that is apparently extinct.

[Facefirst]

So none of you have read the paper, seen its limitations or how it discusses its findings on global climate?

'If the updated measurements of solar ultraviolet irradiance are correct, low solar activity, as observed during recent years, drives cold winters in northern Europe and the United States, and mild winters over southern Europe and Canada, with little direct change in globally averaged temperature.'

http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop/ncurrent/f...

And here was me thinking this place was about a dispassionate discussion of the science...

EDIT TO ADD: I think paywalls are fking disgusting - in most cases public money is used to fund this research and the public should have the right to read its findings in full, lest we get 'spun' a load of horsest by the media and activist blog sites.

Edited by Facefirst on Monday 10th October 14:56

[Blib]

Facefirst said:

http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop/ncurrent/f...

And here was me thinking this place was about a dispassionate discussion of the science...

If it was, you wouldn't be allowed to post on it.

[DieselGriff]

I think the understanding of irradiance on Earth's climate has been studied for some time and the understanding, I believe, is that it is not a strong driver of climate.

Solar eruptivity is not well understood by certain parts of the climate science fraternity and as such is ignored. Svensmark et al have done a lot of work, culminating in the CLOUD experiment at Cern, that would suggest that low eruptivity means cloud seeding which means lower temperatures.

As such solar activity could have a major role to play in our climate.

[convert]

Facefirst said:

...with little direct change in globally averaged temperature...'

Show me where in the article it defines 'Little'. Yet again another ambiguous paper from the warmists.