Egypt clashes - Christians targeted
Discussion
chris watton said:
Listening to the BBC news earlier (mistake, I know..), it was the Coptic Christians that started it. is that true?
Al-Jazeera said:
According to Al Jazeera's Tadros, the Coptic Church also issued a statement stating that Copts had not fired any shots on Sunday night and were not the instigators.
"That's really in reference to continued coverage on state TV which through the night and even through morning, very much had a shuttle message to it, trying to tell general people that Christians were the ones behind the violence and that they were the ones shooting at soldiers," she said
"In fact, state TV was talking about the soldiers who had died as "martyrs" and protesters who were killed as "civilians".
"So, it was sending a very potent message, and the fear here is that kind of reporting and message out to millions of people who tune into state TV will stoke sectarian tensions."
Christians, who make up about 10 per cent of Egypt's roughly 80 million people, took to the streets after blaming Muslim radicals for partially demolishing the church last week.
They also demanded the sacking of the province's governor for failing to protect the building.
The Copts say they were marching peacefully when thugs attacked them, drawing in the military police who used what activists described as unnecessary force.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/10/20111010132052814637.html"That's really in reference to continued coverage on state TV which through the night and even through morning, very much had a shuttle message to it, trying to tell general people that Christians were the ones behind the violence and that they were the ones shooting at soldiers," she said
"In fact, state TV was talking about the soldiers who had died as "martyrs" and protesters who were killed as "civilians".
"So, it was sending a very potent message, and the fear here is that kind of reporting and message out to millions of people who tune into state TV will stoke sectarian tensions."
Christians, who make up about 10 per cent of Egypt's roughly 80 million people, took to the streets after blaming Muslim radicals for partially demolishing the church last week.
They also demanded the sacking of the province's governor for failing to protect the building.
The Copts say they were marching peacefully when thugs attacked them, drawing in the military police who used what activists described as unnecessary force.
Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
The best the developed world can hope for is that the Arab spring leads to democracy, indeed that these predominately young nations, by that I mean they have large populations under 25 become more stable.
The reality is that being a Christian in many Muslim countries is tough, and persecution is part of that - it was true before the strong man was deposed, and worse now he's gone. Only stability & development can change this.
Eggs broken = omelet
The best the developed world can hope for is that the Arab spring leads to democracy, indeed that these predominately young nations, by that I mean they have large populations under 25 become more stable.
The reality is that being a Christian in many Muslim countries is tough, and persecution is part of that - it was true before the strong man was deposed, and worse now he's gone. Only stability & development can change this.
Eggs broken = omelet
Victor McDade said:
Similar to 'Aye-Rak' then? Get rid of a dictator who kills indiscriminately and end up installing a government who turns a blind eye to Islamic nutters like this.
From the frying pan to the fire.
How long before something similar in 'Lib-Ya'?From the frying pan to the fire.
Why do we expect anything different?
Democracy in these countries?
What a joke. More chance of winning the lottery jackpot twice in a fortnight!
rudecherub said:
The reality is that being a Christian in many Muslim countries is tough, and persecution is part of that - it was true before the strong man was deposed, and worse now he's gone. Only stability & development can change this.
I suppose Saddam's Iraq was the same,not withstanding his foreign minister was Christian.We have already intervened.
The catholic church is split in two, the roman CC and the Constantinople or eastern cc. The coptic church is, geographically, in the eastern. It is in reality older than the roman church as that didn't start until one of the councils, possibly Nicea, when some pagan pope invented it. The coptic came about in the first century so comfortable predates every christian church. The western catholic church has never forgiven the coptics for this.
It was the second crusade I think where any participant who killed a coptic was granted quick entry in heaven when they died, without in essence having to queue with the rest of the plebs.
One of the knights in the crusade boasted of being knee high in blood in the church where him and his brave colleagues slaughtered the unarmed worshipers. He was given the highest award the church could give in those days.
So perhaps the coptics don't want us to take part given our history.
The catholic church is split in two, the roman CC and the Constantinople or eastern cc. The coptic church is, geographically, in the eastern. It is in reality older than the roman church as that didn't start until one of the councils, possibly Nicea, when some pagan pope invented it. The coptic came about in the first century so comfortable predates every christian church. The western catholic church has never forgiven the coptics for this.
It was the second crusade I think where any participant who killed a coptic was granted quick entry in heaven when they died, without in essence having to queue with the rest of the plebs.
One of the knights in the crusade boasted of being knee high in blood in the church where him and his brave colleagues slaughtered the unarmed worshipers. He was given the highest award the church could give in those days.
So perhaps the coptics don't want us to take part given our history.
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