Would an 'Envy Tax' solve all our problems?

Would an 'Envy Tax' solve all our problems?

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johnfm

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13,668 posts

251 months

Thursday 13th October 2011
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Would it not be a simple concept to implement an 'Envy Tax' on the left ?

Sort of like a Tobin Tax, a very small 1p levy on every suggestion by the hand wringing yoghurt weavers to tax wealth generators (like the brilliant suggestion by Bob Crow to tax emails.)

It is win-win, as the more they bleat about taxing the wealthy, the more they raise to help pay for social engineering and vote buying.

Simple.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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haha

sussexjob

1,999 posts

232 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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johnfm said:
like the brilliant suggestion by Bob Crow to tax emails
I'm surprised that Mr Crow a lavatory attendant son didn't also come up with a 1p a sheet on lav roll tax therefore hitting the people who eat most/laziest/fat ar*ed wink

Thom987

3,185 posts

167 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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sussexjob said:
I'm surprised that Mr Crow a lavatory attendant son didn't also come up with a 1p a sheet on lav roll tax therefore hitting the people who eat most/laziest/fat ar*ed wink
Has he started charging for punctuation?

AJS-

15,366 posts

237 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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I would rather a champagne socialist tax that those who felt "the rich" were undertaxed could opt in to pay a greater share once their own wealth exceeded the national average.

Flat zero socialists who would take it up though, so my plan be would be £80,000 a year council tax in Islington.

voyds9

8,489 posts

284 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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What we real need is poor people tax, as an incentive to get rich. wink

Laughingman21

590 posts

212 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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voyds9 said:
What we real need is poor people tax, as an incentive to get rich. wink
laugh

That's frickin genius!

You'd get my vote for PM.

BOR

4,717 posts

256 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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How about a "pay your way" tax. John, how do you feel about convicted thief Raj Rajaratnam being jailed for insider trading ? Some sleepless nights for his "business advisers" I'd imagine. Hopefully we'll see a lot more fall.

BOR

4,717 posts

256 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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AJS- said:
I would rather a champagne socialist tax that those who felt "the rich" were undertaxed could opt in to pay a greater share once their own wealth exceeded the national average.
Why should they pay someone else's share ?

Digga

40,399 posts

284 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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BOR said:
AJS- said:
I would rather a champagne socialist tax that those who felt "the rich" were undertaxed could opt in to pay a greater share once their own wealth exceeded the national average.
Why should they pay someone else's share ?
Germans seem more inclined to jail bankers and financiers than other nations - profiteering doesn't sit well there, so neither do politicians take cosy years out of the loop at Goldman Sachs - but I don't think it's the Anglo-American way.

You have to remember, we were all players here. Germany didn't have anything like the property bubble the UK had, so there is less 'guilt' amongst the public. Here, we all know about the greed. In fact, the constant noise from the left is a clammouring for a bigger slice of the cake, without any clue or thought of how to make the cake in the first place.

powerstroke

10,283 posts

161 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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BOR said:
AJS- said:
I would rather a champagne socialist tax that those who felt "the rich" were undertaxed could opt in to pay a greater share once their own wealth exceeded the national average.
Why should they pay someone else's share ?
Because they are good at going on about how other peoples money should be spentsmash

don4l

10,058 posts

177 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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BOR said:
AJS- said:
I would rather a champagne socialist tax that those who felt "the rich" were undertaxed could opt in to pay a greater share once their own wealth exceeded the national average.
Why should they pay someone else's share ?
Excellent question.

Perhaps we should have a ceiling. Once you have paid twice the average tax bill, then all further income should be tax free.

Don
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Sticks.

8,805 posts

252 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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don4l said:
Excellent question.

Perhaps we should have a ceiling. Once you have paid twice the average tax bill, then all further income should be tax free.

Don
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So the more you earn, the smaller proportion of it you pay in tax? And therefore the less you earn, the higher proportion you pay in tax?

Probably would get Bob Crow's vote wink

BOR

4,717 posts

256 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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Do you believe in The Magic Money Tree, Don ? Do you think there is an endless supply of cash coming from somewhere ?

If I keep amassing more and more personal cash, then there is less circulating through the rest of society (and please, spare me any bks about trickle down). If a small section of the population can trouser enough, which is what you are suggesting, then eventually the rest of the population will have less and will be forced to reduce their own expenditure.

Can you try and work out what happens next ?

Digga

40,399 posts

284 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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BOR said:
Do you believe in The Magic Money Tree, Don ? Do you think there is an endless supply of cash coming from somewhere ?

If I keep amassing more and more personal cash, then there is less circulating through the rest of society (and please, spare me any bks about trickle down). If a small section of the population can trouser enough, which is what you are suggesting, then eventually the rest of the population will have less and will be forced to reduce their own expenditure.

Can you try and work out what happens next ?
Yes, the banks just print a bit more. Open your eyes.

don4l

10,058 posts

177 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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BOR said:
Do you believe in The Magic Money Tree, Don ? Do you think there is an endless supply of cash coming from somewhere ?
No. I believe that people who are able to pay their own way, should do so.

I'm sure that at least 50% of the adult population are fit and intelligent enough to pay their own way. So it seems sensible that once you have paid twice the average bill, that you have discharged your obligations to society.

I thought that I was agreeing with you. Clearly, I misunderstood the intent behind your question. What exactly did you mean when you asked:-

BOR said:
Why should they pay someone else's share ?
Don
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Guybrush

4,358 posts

207 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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voyds9 said:
What we real need is poor people tax, as an incentive to get rich. wink
Lol.

jimnicebutdim

374 posts

156 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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How about getting rid of all taxes other than VAT, then increase the rate to 50%+

This would mean finances are fair and easy.

powerstroke

10,283 posts

161 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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jimnicebutdim said:
How about getting rid of all taxes other than VAT, then increase the rate to 50%+

This would mean finances are fair and easy.
Hm so it would be as fair on someone earning £30k as someone on £100k!!
The fairest would be a 50% rate for unearned income which could include footbalers and music people , public sector managers along with the filthy rich living on investments ..... hehe

RemainAllHoof

76,474 posts

283 months

Friday 14th October 2011
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Green taxes to rebuild the economy: every voter and member of the Green Party has an extra 5% added to their income tax rate.