Labour 8% lead over the Tories would give overall majority

Labour 8% lead over the Tories would give overall majority

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23,906 posts

196 months

Tuesday 18th October 2011
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The Times today reports that Labour now have an 8% lead over the Tories, the highest since the general election according to a Populus poll, and enough for a clear majority under both the old and new constituency boundaries.

I know the Fox stuff hasn't been great but honestly - 41% state the would vote Labour after Ed's conference performance? After Ball's demands more spending when the results are clear to see (downgrade as per Greece etc, higher interest rates and economic decline)?

I don't know anyone who would openly admit intending to vote Labour for fear of seeming either stupid or selfish... Yet it looks like we'll be seeing them in government next election.

chris watton

22,477 posts

262 months

Tuesday 18th October 2011
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What percentage of the UK employed population work for the public sector now? If it's a high proportion, we have our answer why....

ETA - I certainly wouldn't vote for Cameron's government - but I wouldn't ever vote for Labour again, too.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

206 months

Tuesday 18th October 2011
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Not surprising

I wish they had won the last election as they would be beyond unelectable by now.

Instead they get to blame the tories for the bad bits and walk into power and keep the blame game going for another 10 years.


Who knows if we still had winky savious of the universe there might be a few more folk camped out in london calling for change instead of worrying about the tie colour of a socilalist leaders

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

206 months

Tuesday 18th October 2011
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chris watton said:
ETA - I certainly wouldn't vote for Cameron's government - but I wouldn't ever vote for Labour again, too.
No thats your answer there

There is more then 2 choices but people are too scared to vote for what they belive in

chris watton

22,477 posts

262 months

Tuesday 18th October 2011
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thinfourth2 said:
No thats your answer there

There is more then 2 choices but people are too scared to vote for what they belive in
....Not anymore....

Zod

35,295 posts

260 months

Tuesday 18th October 2011
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It's an opinion poll before half-way through the Parliament when nobody expects to have to vote. It is utterly worthless as an indicator. Come 2014, if there are polls like that, it'll be time to emigrate.

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Original Poster:

23,906 posts

196 months

Tuesday 18th October 2011
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chris watton said:
thinfourth2 said:
No thats your answer there

There is more then 2 choices but people are too scared to vote for what they belive in
....Not anymore....
I used to be a Tory party member but have resigned this now, though I still can't understand how such a large number would choose Labour over anything. A few weeks ago I read a Spectator article that said it was historically unlikely that a party in the Labour Party's position at this stage in the electoral cycle would not be elected. Crazy! As stated above another term of Winky would have been good medicine.

crankedup

25,764 posts

245 months

Tuesday 18th October 2011
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No surprise to see this Poll result, not yet mid-term and lots of people badly affected by this Governments actions, where it hurts most. Can't see how things may start looking better within the next few years either. Maybe another Tory/Lib-Dem coalition is best scenario possible for the future.
I will continue to vote Lib-Dem, despite the old fence being somewhat rickety.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

206 months

Tuesday 18th October 2011
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anonymous said:
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Well apart from 1997

Where labour had a bigger majority then there is scottish and labour MPs combined

Don't forget London has more labour MPs then Scotland has

chris watton

22,477 posts

262 months

Tuesday 18th October 2011
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thinfourth2 said:
Well apart from 1997

Where labour had a bigger majority then there is scottish and labour MPs combined

Don't forget London has more labour MPs then Scotland has
Perhaps London could have its own party!

scenario8

6,592 posts

181 months

Tuesday 18th October 2011
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While I agree a re-elected Labour Government in 2010 would likely have led to the demise of the Labour Party in the medium term, the dire state this country would have been in circa 2014 would have been so dreadful I'll take a 2010 Lib/Con coalition, thanks - with the risk Labour would get a bounce mid-term.

I don't much care for this poll to be honest for reasons stated by others above. I spent much of the 1980s and 90s expecting Labour landslides.

Edited by scenario8 on Tuesday 18th October 14:26

Victor McDade

4,395 posts

184 months

Tuesday 18th October 2011
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29% voted in the general election for a party led by the one eyed psychopath Broon. It should not really surprise us then that their ratings have jumped to 40+ given they now have a semi human speciman as leader.

Going back further, 35% voted for Labour in the previous election despite all the Iraq lies being out in the open. Labour have a massive votebank who will vote for them regardless of the realities of how they govern.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

206 months

Tuesday 18th October 2011
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chris watton said:
Perhaps London could have its own party!
Independance for London

Then the rest of the UK can have a transport policy that isn't based on the idea that everyone has a 1 minute walk to a tube station

Elroy Blue

8,692 posts

194 months

Tuesday 18th October 2011
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chris watton said:
What percentage of the UK employed population work for the public sector now? If it's a high proportion, we have our answer why....

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Christ, change the record. Working in the Public Sector doesn't mean we all walk around wearing flat caps with a Whippet. Labour fked over many in the Public sector and the Emergency services and Armed Forces were particularly affected.

Most that I know voted Conservative, only to elect a Prime Minister who promptly declared war on us because we can't do anything about it. Cameron has been hiding a grudge against the Police from nearly twenty years ago when the Sheehey report (which he co-wrote) was rejected. He's come back with a vengence. I've voted Conservative in every election since I was 18. I simply don't see ANYONE who represents me now. They're all a bunch of incompetent, lying tossers.

chris watton

22,477 posts

262 months

Tuesday 18th October 2011
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thinfourth2 said:
Independance for London

Then the rest of the UK can have a transport policy that isn't based on the idea that everyone has a 1 minute walk to a tube station
Sound's like a plan! Would be great to watch the 'liberati' disappear up their own aholes, and then st themselves back out when they realise there's no more money left for their fantasy utopia.

chris watton

22,477 posts

262 months

Tuesday 18th October 2011
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Elroy Blue said:
Christ, change the record. Working in the Public Sector doesn't mean we all walk around wearing flat caps with a Whippet. Labour fked over many in the Public sector and the Emergency services and Armed Forces were particularly affected.

Most that I know voted Conservative, only to elect a Prime Minister who promptly declared war on us because we can't do anything about it. Cameron has been hiding a grudge against the Police from nearly twenty years ago when the Sheehey report (which he co-wrote) was rejected. He's come back with a vengence. I've voted Conservative in every election since I was 18. I simply don't see ANYONE who represents me now. They're all a bunch of incompetent, lying tossers.
Well, I can't see anyone who works in the private sector voting Labour in any great numbers, can you? So what are we left with?

scenario8

6,592 posts

181 months

Tuesday 18th October 2011
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Elroy Blue said:
I simply don't see ANYONE who represents me now. They're all a bunch of incompetent, lying tossers.
Funny, I deal with the great unwashed in my job (same as you) and to be honest I'd say "incompetent, lying tosser" politicians would be entirely representative of the wider electorate.

All said in good PH spirit, of course.

M3333

2,265 posts

216 months

Tuesday 18th October 2011
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Victor McDade said:
It should not really surprise us then that their ratings have jumped to 40+ given they now have a semi human speciman as leader.
Do They? I heard this leader wheezing and ranting on the radio this morning, couldnt decide if he was about to sneeze or have an Orgasm, it is easy to throw mud from opposition, shame they forget who caused the problems. Ed millibands/Balls Hypocrisy has no bounds.

12gauge

1,274 posts

176 months

Tuesday 18th October 2011
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I think a lot of it is this planning scaremongering in the media too, from the BBC to the Daily Mail convincing everyone the UK is one big building site. Those that arent middle class vote labour. Those that are middle class tend to be NIMBYs.


BOR

4,724 posts

257 months

Tuesday 18th October 2011
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This is the least effective Tory party there has ever been. They have achieved the square root of fk-all. They have no plan, no vision, they can't even scapegoat the unions this time.

Utter failure, empty, nothingness. Their Big Idea ? No inheritance tax on your first million? Scrapping the 50% tax rate? BAU in the finance sector? Great. Thanks Gideon, but you can see why nobody wants you any more.

Government by the elite, for the elite. fk them.