Qantas Grounds Entire Fleet
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This is a completely outrageous decision, to completely ruin PAYING CUSTOMERS travel plans in order to try to provoke the govt to solving an ongoing dispute is utterly cavalier and unforgivable. And people will not forget.
He has also completely misread the nation,s mood on this, people do not want their jobs outsourced to asia and awarding himself a 1.9 million dollar pay raise the day before he takes down an Australian icon will not go down well.
Would not be surprised if this turns out to be a monumental cockup .
He has also completely misread the nation,s mood on this, people do not want their jobs outsourced to asia and awarding himself a 1.9 million dollar pay raise the day before he takes down an Australian icon will not go down well.
Would not be surprised if this turns out to be a monumental cockup .
A lex said:
Eric Mc said:
No such airline as Quantas.
As much as it marks them out as ignorant for spelling it like that, it does you no favours picking up on it in such a facetious way.You should read my posts when I AM being facetious.
It's a common error when people are discussing this particular airline. Many people do not realise that it is an acronym rather than a word.
PS - On balance, I would expect I dispense far more useful favours to PH members than I get in return. Be that as it may, I still like it here. I don't post on PH to elicit favours.
A lex said:
Eric Mc said:
A lex said:
Eric Mc said:
No such airline as Quantas.
As much as it marks them out as ignorant for spelling it like that, it does you no favours picking up on it in such a facetious way.You should read my posts when I AM being facetious.
It's a common error when people are discussing this particular airline. Many people do not realise that it is an acronym rather than a word.
PS - On balance, I would expect I dispense far more useful favours to PH members than I get in return. Be that as it may, I still like it here. I don't post on PH to elicit favours.
As someone who has not received one of your 'favours' and therefore is not in your debt it only serves to mark you out as a bit of a tit.
HTH
Eric Mc said:
No such airline as Quantas.
Looks like there won't be regardless of how you spell it.I don't know if it has changed over the last seven years but the Oz labour market is highly unionised. This seems to be generally supported by the population at large. It's been going on for years.
I tried to emigrate some years ago now and the unions blocked me because of my skills. I was too skilled! Work that out. The thing was that my business plan was to set up a process that brought back work then (and now come to that) being exported to Japan. I took an option on four machines, had everything planned with regards shipping and stuff and had sponsorship from Australia House, which worked our at around a third of my costs paid for and the rest on a very reasonable business loan. Two of us would set up the business and would employ around half a dozen others.
After nearly five months negotiation the plan was put before the unions who rejected it out of hand. No reasons. As soon as that happend the doors in Australia House were closed to us. After a couple of days they refused to take our phone calls.
I never recouped my money. A lesson there: foreign countries often do thing differently.
As it was, circumstances changed and it was no great loss, in fact probably the reverse.
I'm sure the Aussie workers are fed up with a homosexual Irishman ruining their beloved company but at least they were negotiating sensibly with the management before today.
To award your CEO an obscene pay rise and bonus and then ask the workforce to stand back and do nothing while you slowly replace them with cheap labour from Asia on the back of any profits the mother airline has made is a little hard to take. I think this move was a bad one, shows a lack of imagination and poor negotiating skills and to me looks like a deliberate attempt to kill off the airline.
I understand the economic forces at work here but it will be interesting to see if Jetstar can stand on its own without money from Qantas and if the Aussie goverment will allow an Aussie based company to be run with staff who a large number of don't even have working Visas.
Sad times, I can see Qantas and Jetstar going under with the major Asian carries and Virgin Blue profiting from it.
To award your CEO an obscene pay rise and bonus and then ask the workforce to stand back and do nothing while you slowly replace them with cheap labour from Asia on the back of any profits the mother airline has made is a little hard to take. I think this move was a bad one, shows a lack of imagination and poor negotiating skills and to me looks like a deliberate attempt to kill off the airline.
I understand the economic forces at work here but it will be interesting to see if Jetstar can stand on its own without money from Qantas and if the Aussie goverment will allow an Aussie based company to be run with staff who a large number of don't even have working Visas.
Sad times, I can see Qantas and Jetstar going under with the major Asian carries and Virgin Blue profiting from it.
SkinnyBoy said:
Interesting times ahead here, funny how its just gone 10 years since Ansett went balls up.
I didn't realise till you posted. Sad - Ansett were, and still are, the best airline I have ever flown with. They have also been the only airline I have ever flown with where I have been the ONLY guy on the plane! Theres nothing like being referred to by name when the pilot says 'Mr Paolow we are now flying at etc etc' Though that does give some suggestion as to why they ran short of cash...
Wish I had some balls then - the door to the flight deck was wide open and rather than roaming around an empty aircraft I should really have made more of the opportunity - I know they wouldn't have let me fly the thing but I could have learned a lot...
paolow said:
SkinnyBoy said:
Interesting times ahead here, funny how its just gone 10 years since Ansett went balls up.
I didn't realise till you posted. Sad - Ansett were, and still are, the best airline I have ever flown with. They have also been the only airline I have ever flown with where I have been the ONLY guy on the plane! Theres nothing like being referred to by name when the pilot says 'Mr Paolow we are now flying at etc etc' Though that does give some suggestion as to why they ran short of cash...
Wish I had some balls then - the door to the flight deck was wide open and rather than roaming around an empty aircraft I should really have made more of the opportunity - I know they wouldn't have let me fly the thing but I could have learned a lot...
eharding said:
Willie Walsh, Michael O'Leary and Alan Joyce - all products of Trinity College Dublin, and not that far apart, either.
I wonder if there was something in the water there that caused a tendency to become an airline CEO?
Just the realisation that when trapped on an aeroplane there are few things as powerless as passenger; nor as easily milked.I wonder if there was something in the water there that caused a tendency to become an airline CEO?
It's a shocker for sure. Industrial relations in Aus are straight out of 70's Britain and probably heading for the same confrontations.
As an regular international air traveller I do believe that airline staff need to get over themselves. They seem to have forgotten they're there to provide a service and that that service is actually pretty mundane now and almost universally (Asian characters aside) very poorly delivered despite some shocking prices. I've flown qwantarse a lot over the last few years and to be honest they're an international national express. Not very impressive at all. Safety record aside I'd avoid wherever possible and this bonkers display only adds to that position.
As an regular international air traveller I do believe that airline staff need to get over themselves. They seem to have forgotten they're there to provide a service and that that service is actually pretty mundane now and almost universally (Asian characters aside) very poorly delivered despite some shocking prices. I've flown qwantarse a lot over the last few years and to be honest they're an international national express. Not very impressive at all. Safety record aside I'd avoid wherever possible and this bonkers display only adds to that position.
Olf said:
It's a shocker for sure. Industrial relations in Aus are straight out of 70's Britain and probably heading for the same confrontations.
As an regular international air traveller I do believe that airline staff need to get over themselves. They seem to have forgotten they're there to provide a service and that that service is actually pretty mundane now and almost universally (Asian characters aside) very poorly delivered despite some shocking prices. I've flown qwantarse a lot over the last few years and to be honest they're an international national express. Not very impressive at all. Safety record aside I'd avoid wherever possible and this bonkers display only adds to that position.
Don't worry. I seriously doubt you'll be able to use them for much longer.As an regular international air traveller I do believe that airline staff need to get over themselves. They seem to have forgotten they're there to provide a service and that that service is actually pretty mundane now and almost universally (Asian characters aside) very poorly delivered despite some shocking prices. I've flown qwantarse a lot over the last few years and to be honest they're an international national express. Not very impressive at all. Safety record aside I'd avoid wherever possible and this bonkers display only adds to that position.
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