EDL Birmingham

[Loominarty]

Nom de ploom said:

a colleague was in newcastle doing a charity zip wire thingymabob and she said the police were arresting EDL protestors left right and centre and confiscating some but not all of the following

Machetes, knives, GUNS and seemingly most popular ninja throwing stars!!!!

what is going on???!!!

I heard (via a colleague) that they also had a WW2 Gatling gun and were cutting down the ranks of peaceful UAF protesters while the police looked on, some cheering.
Some had even drawn a pentagram and were dancing around it, naked, in an attempt to summon Lucifer himself.
Then again, she does have a problem with solvent abuse.
And an agenda.

[Babu 01]

The #occupynewcastle feed featured a lot of reports of EDL attacking them at 4 in the morning recently;

http://twitter.com/?lang=en&logged_out=1#!/sea...

and this photo from this weekends EDL event in Newcastle would tend to suggest that reports of arms being confiscated are correct, note the axe:



The Birmingham EDL event was originally planned for Victoria Square which is where the occupybirmingham people are. Fortunately for occupybirmingham they were moved to Centenary Square.

This was unfortunate for the Royal British Legion whose Poppy Appeal launch had to be cancelled to allow the EDL to congregate, shout racism and throw bottles & fireworks at passers by and the Police.

The responses to the calling of an EDL crisis meeting to discuss where to go after the infighting and violence over the weekend get interesting:

http://twitpic.com/78da0v

[AndrewW-G]

Babu 01 said:

The #occupynewcastle feed featured a lot of reports of EDL attacking them at 4 in the morning recently;

http://twitter.com/?lang=en&logged_out=1#!/sea...

and this photo from this weekends EDL event in Newcastle would tend to suggest that reports of arms being confiscated are correct, note the axe:



The Birmingham EDL event was originally planned for Victoria Square which is where the occupybirmingham people are. Fortunately for occupybirmingham they were moved to Centenary Square.

This was unfortunate for the Royal British Legion whose Poppy Appeal launch had to be cancelled to allow the EDL to congregate, shout racism and throw bottles & fireworks at passers by and the Police.

The responses to the calling of an EDL crisis meeting to discuss where to go after the infighting and violence over the weekend get interesting:

http://twitpic.com/78da0v

I think it would be fair to say that HAD the EDL idiots been found with significant numbers of illegal weapons, it would be front page news . . . . . having read the source blog of the picture, I'd have to doubt that it was anything to do with the EDL or as the blog puts it "the other infidels"

[Marf]

AndrewW-G said:

I think it would be fair to say that HAD the EDL idiots been found with significant numbers of illegal weapons, it would be front page news

He's right, don't forget the

Police State said:

agenda

Though IMO the numbers of weapons is irrelevant.

[DJRC]

Can somebody tell me why there are folks wishing to occupy Newcastle and Birmingham? Brummies are going to be highly bewildered at being told they are the bastions of the capitalist pigs exploiting the masses!

[Babu 01]

DJRC said:

Can somebody tell me why there are folks wishing to occupy Newcastle and Birmingham? Brummies are going to be highly bewildered at being told they are the bastions of the capitalist pigs exploiting the masses!

My theory is liberal guilt.

They feel like they should be doing something about things in the news which are making them feel uneasy but they don't want to go mad about it and do something which requires too much effort.

So a compromise is reached which assuages consciences but which allows them to hop on the number 50 to pick up fresh alfalfa and humus from that little co operative deli they love so much.

[Babu 01]

AndrewW-G said:

I think it would be fair to say that HAD the EDL idiots been found with significant numbers of illegal weapons, it would be front page news . . . . . having read the source blog of the picture, I'd have to doubt that it was anything to do with the EDL or as the blog puts it "the other infidels"

So you doubt that picture of a man being arrested with an axe was related to the EDL disturbances in Newcastle on Saturday afternoon because it wasn't reported on the front pages?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-15512328

[Loominarty]

In other news....
Punch up at Newcastle pub 'could be' linked to EDL.

Because ?

A. He was White.
B. He had a weapon so must have been a bad guy (or member of the EDL)
C. He was not with the UAF (cos they is peace lovin' innit)
D. It happened on the same day in the same city.


It was a very small axe though........;)

[carmonk]

Babu 01 said:

AndrewW-G said:

I think it would be fair to say that HAD the EDL idiots been found with significant numbers of illegal weapons, it would be front page news . . . . . having read the source blog of the picture, I'd have to doubt that it was anything to do with the EDL or as the blog puts it "the other infidels"

So you doubt that picture of a man being arrested with an axe was related to the EDL disturbances in Newcastle on Saturday afternoon because it wasn't reported on the front pages?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-15512328

That's a pretty impressive piece of reporting by BBC news standards, I reckon there could be 50 words there.

[AndrewW-G]

Babu 01 said:

So you doubt that picture of a man being arrested with an axe was related to the EDL disturbances in Newcastle on Saturday afternoon because it wasn't reported on the front pages?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-15512328

Yes, as per my original reply IMHO had he been part of that demonstration, the news would have made headlines in the press and on TV, the only person who seems to be making that connection is some lunatic who keeps banging on about infidels . . . .

[AJS-]

Look at this from 1977, and compare with Muslamic ray gun man and his Iraqi law

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTqW62Vw8Zc&NR=...

Coherent sentences. Proper words. Talk about declining educational standards. Even our right wing bigots have become dumbed down.

[Nom de ploom]

AndrewW-G said:

Nom de ploom said:

a colleague was in newcastle doing a charity zip wire thingymabob and she said the police were arresting EDL protestors left right and centre and confiscating some but not all of the following

Machetes, knives, GUNS and seemingly most popular ninja throwing stars!!!!

what is going on???!!!

Your colleague has been smoking crack HTH

no. she hasn't.

[Babu 01]

carmonk said:

That's a pretty impressive piece of reporting by BBC news standards, I reckon there could be 50 words there.

You know why?

Yaxley-Lennon, their leader, nutted another EDL member and is being sentenced in court on 3 November, the only place it was reported was BBC Lancashire.

The vast majority of people in the UK saw the EDL as nothing more than an inconvenience to a Saturday afternoon shopping and now they're not even that. They simply aren't newsworthy anymore.

[Babu 01]

AndrewW-G said:

Babu 01 said:

So you doubt that picture of a man being arrested with an axe was related to the EDL disturbances in Newcastle on Saturday afternoon because it wasn't reported on the front pages?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-15512328

Yes, as per my original reply IMHO had he been part of that demonstration, the news would have made headlines in the press and on TV, the only person who seems to be making that connection is some lunatic who keeps banging on about infidels . . . .

See above.

A few summers back some football yobs tore each other apart around a pub at the top of the road I was living in at the time. I walked through the aftermath and saw stacks of hammers, axes, knives, pool cues and god only knows what else being bagged by the Police. Ambulances had carted the victims off but there was blood everywhere and the pub & surrounding businesses had been trashed.

It wasn't reported anywhere because people reached saturation point with football yobs a long time ago, the same thing has happened with the EDL.

Regards that photo, you state that you don't believe it was taken in Newcastle on Saturday afternoon because of where it is published and there were no media reports. I then link you a BBC report of an arrest of a man carrying an axe during fighting in Newcastle on Saturday afternoon.

There was an EDL event in Newcastle on Saturday afternoon during which it is reported by the EDL members on their facebook status there was violence and violence has been reported by indymedia.

I think it's a safe bet that the axe wielding thug was part of the EDL event.

You claim that the man was nothing to do with EDL on the basis that had he been then the national press would have been full of the news that an EDL member was nicked for carrying an axe. As above, it really is no surprise and therefore not newsworthy.

[AndrewW-G]

Babu 01 said:

Regarding that photograph, you state that you don't believe it was taken in Newcastle on Saturday afternoon because of where it is published and there were no media reports. I then link you a BBC report of an arrest of a man carrying an axe during fighting in Newcastle on Saturday afternoon.

No I did not say that the photograph had not been taken in Newcastle
I stated that there were no reliable reports that the man arrested had anything to do with the EDL demonstration and cited the language of the blogger making those claims as grounds for my scepticism, unless you feel that somebody who repeatedly describes people as “infidels” is a reliable and neutral source?

Babu 01 said:

I think it's a safe bet that the axe wielding thug was part of the EDL event.

I think that it’s an even safer bet that had he been involved in the EDL demonstration, the BBC, being a rather left wing organisation, would have reported it.

Babu 01 said:

You claim that the man was nothing to do with EDL on the basis that had he been then the national press would have been full of the news that an EDL member was nicked for carrying an axe. As above, it really is no surprise and therefore not newsworthy.

I have absolutely no evidence that the man concerned was a member of the EDL protest or not, which is exactly the same situation that you are in, for all I know, he could have been part of the Gay Muslim pride march held in Newcastle over the weekend
Carrying an axe to a demonstration may be normal for you, however for the vast majority of us, it isn’t and historically would have been reported in the press with some zeal and not just by some lunatic on a blog!


Do you have one single shred of evidence that the man in the picture was invovled in the EDL demonstration? . . . . . . .

[Babu 01]

You have missed my points by so far I partly suspect that answer to be a troll.

There is no media interest in the EDL so there will be no story I can link to besides that which mentions a man was arrested at a street fight in Newcastle on Saturday afternoon. What is known is that there was a violent EDL event in Newcastle on Saturday afternoon, that a man, reported by witnesses to be linked to that event, was photographed being arrested next to an axe and that the arrest of a man for carrying an axe during a street fight was reported by the BBC.

And yes, I am 100% confident that the man with the axe was not part of a Muslim Gay Rights Parade as such an organisation, should one exist, was not out in force in Newcastle on Saturday. The EDL were.

This really is not part of a giant left wing conspiracy involving the BBC, Peter Tatchell and Abu Hamza to besmirch the EDL, it just is what it is. A bunch of drunken tooled up thugs running riot once again in one of our cities. Take a look at the EDL facebook feed, they even confirm this themselves.

[Babu 01]

Also, for clarification.

The "infidels" referred to on the Hope not Hate site are another far right group, a splinter from the EDL. It is their chosen name not a reference by the author of the piece.

[carmonk]

He could have been EDL, but if the EDL were fighting people (such as the UAF) then it's quite possible the UAF member had the axe. After all, they are the more violent group.

[Babu 01]

Carmonk, I will answer that with a post from a blog and a twitpic:

Malatesta said:

Various EDL Facebook sites were asking where was the usual opposition and the answer is that most antifascists can’t be bothered with the EDL anymore as they are clearly going nowhere and besides which, there are more important things going on at the moment.

http://malatesta32.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/the-last-gasp-of-the-edl/

If Newcastle was anything like Birmingham there were no UAF on Saturday. Just the EDL partaking of activities as described by EDL member Connor Mccoy

http://twitpic.com/78o196

[carmonk]

I'd guess they're stupid enough to fight with themselves if there was nobody around.