Political bias at BBC - something has to be done surely
Discussion
Atomic12C said:
jjlynn27 said:
So, in short, BBC isn't balanced, because you feel that it's not balanced?
I did state it was my personal opinion didn't I?So, yes your reply is 100%.
But as TB points out, personal opinion counts for jack schmidt, and as always the crux of the issue is evidence. Which I agree with.
I've seen allegations that Nick Robinson is lefty. This is his political bio.
wiki said:
Robinson was a founder-member of Macclesfield Young Conservatives (YC) and rose through the ranks, becoming Cheshire YC Chairman (1982–84) and became a key activist in the moderate-controlled North West Area organisation. Philip Pedley, as National YC Chairman, co-opted Robinson onto the YC National Advisory Committee in 1983 and appointed him National Campaign Director of Youth for Multilateral Disarmament. Robinson was elected National Vice Chairman in 1985–87 and succeeded a fellow moderate, Richard Fuller, when he was elected Chairman of the National Young Conservatives on the moderate ticket against strong right-wing opposition (1987–88).[7]
At university he was President of the Oxford University Conservative Association in 1985.
Only on PH founder-member of Young Conservatives, President of OxUni Cons Assoc, can be labeled as a leftie.At university he was President of the Oxford University Conservative Association in 1985.
Completely unrelated; what are your views on, in no particular order; moon landing, vaccines causing autism and chemtrails?
jjlynn27 said:
Only on PH founder-member of Young Conservatives, President of OxUni Cons Assoc, can be labeled as a leftie.
Completely unrelated; what are your views on, in no particular order; moon landing, vaccines causing autism and chemtrails?
Missing the point by a country mile about Nick Robinson .Completely unrelated; what are your views on, in no particular order; moon landing, vaccines causing autism and chemtrails?
Does his output reflect what are his supposed views? Not if this programme is anything to go by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Street_That_Cut_...
Gandahar said:
Here's a question or three for you.
Does the BBC have political bias?
Is it against your own bias?
If you had the same bias would you think they were politically biased?
The answers are YES, YES and NO or NO, NO and N/A
The thing is that this question actually points to the PH poster own bias much more so than the BBC.
Not going to stop you posting though is it. Dear Points of view ......
If you don't want to watch it or pay for it try the radio. No tv licence and you can pay for that lovely Chris Evans to go down the pub.
Actually no, my answers are YES, NO, N/ADoes the BBC have political bias?
Is it against your own bias?
If you had the same bias would you think they were politically biased?
The answers are YES, YES and NO or NO, NO and N/A
The thing is that this question actually points to the PH poster own bias much more so than the BBC.
Not going to stop you posting though is it. Dear Points of view ......
If you don't want to watch it or pay for it try the radio. No tv licence and you can pay for that lovely Chris Evans to go down the pub.
Edited by Gandahar on Thursday 20th July 12:37
some of us can do the unbiased perspective thing!
princealbert23 said:
jjlynn27 said:
Only on PH founder-member of Young Conservatives, President of OxUni Cons Assoc, can be labeled as a leftie.
Completely unrelated; what are your views on, in no particular order; moon landing, vaccines causing autism and chemtrails?
Missing the point by a country mile about Nick Robinson .Completely unrelated; what are your views on, in no particular order; moon landing, vaccines causing autism and chemtrails?
Does his output reflect what are his supposed views? Not if this programme is anything to go by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Street_That_Cut_...
NR was always a closet leftie, but even at an early age, he knew that one day he'll work for BBC. In order for his despicable deceit to work, he joined, wait, started a chapter of YC, so that he can, decades later, when someone points out his rather obvious lefty bias, go back and say; "no, look, I'm a true blue".
What he, in hindsight, rather foolishly, didn't count on is that princealbert23 of PH will see through that.
jjlynn27 said:
Well, thanks for that. I can finally see the truth.
NR was always a closet leftie, but even at an early age, he knew that one day he'll work for BBC. In order for his despicable deceit to work, he joined, wait, started a chapter of YC, so that he can, decades later, when someone points out his rather obvious lefty bias, go back and say; "no, look, I'm a true blue".
What he, in hindsight, rather foolishly, didn't count on is that princealbert23 of PH will see through that.
Again failing to understand the point. I didnt intimate he was a leftie. If he really allowed his supposed views (which, as everyone keeps quoting that he was once a YC, must be presumed to be conservative) to influence his output he wouldn't have taken part in such an agenda driven programme. NR was always a closet leftie, but even at an early age, he knew that one day he'll work for BBC. In order for his despicable deceit to work, he joined, wait, started a chapter of YC, so that he can, decades later, when someone points out his rather obvious lefty bias, go back and say; "no, look, I'm a true blue".
What he, in hindsight, rather foolishly, didn't count on is that princealbert23 of PH will see through that.
For someone who rates your own intellect so highly, you appear to struggle with the concept of objectivity.
princealbert23 said:
jjlynn27 said:
Well, thanks for that. I can finally see the truth.
NR was always a closet leftie, but even at an early age, he knew that one day he'll work for BBC. In order for his despicable deceit to work, he joined, wait, started a chapter of YC, so that he can, decades later, when someone points out his rather obvious lefty bias, go back and say; "no, look, I'm a true blue".
What he, in hindsight, rather foolishly, didn't count on is that princealbert23 of PH will see through that.
Again failing to understand the point. I didnt intimate he was a leftie. If he really allowed his supposed views (which, as everyone keeps quoting that he was once a YC, must be presumed to be conservative) to influence his output he wouldn't have taken part in such an agenda driven programme. NR was always a closet leftie, but even at an early age, he knew that one day he'll work for BBC. In order for his despicable deceit to work, he joined, wait, started a chapter of YC, so that he can, decades later, when someone points out his rather obvious lefty bias, go back and say; "no, look, I'm a true blue".
What he, in hindsight, rather foolishly, didn't count on is that princealbert23 of PH will see through that.
For someone who rates your own intellect so highly, you appear to struggle with the concept of objectivity.
I didn't 'intimate' that he's lefty or righty. I don't see him as an example of how biased BBC is. I see that some pieces of programming are slightly biased one way, others another.
I'm laughing at people crying; 'BBC sooo biased !!!'
People like this;
or how this 'member of the audience was chosen by DD to ask the first question!'
or
or, to get back to NR, a call to get him fired as he's Tory mouthpiece;
I'm laughing at nutjobs having the views depicted above.
I'm laughing at nutjobs on the other side, who see BBC as labour/lefties 'media luvies'.
I'm also laughing at people who can't see the programme what it is; a social experiment designed to provoke thought of how would modern society cope without certain services that we take for granted, but instead, see 'agenda driven programme' whatever that means. I'm also laughing at nutjobs who'll get onto their favourite nutjob-conspiracy website and find 'proof', rather a random piece or the statement that proves how X.Y is fully paid up member of the opposite team.
You do seem funny.
Evidence of bias is in the BBC's output and how it's generated.
Some people deliberately miss the obvious to score repeated fails, complete with ironic sarcasm about others not understanding..
In terms of personality incest overall we see Labour far outnumbering the Tories in any case.
After quitting as BBC Director General, Lord Birt became an adviser to Tony Bliar.
Greg Dyke, a whopper among Tony's Cronies and a Labour donor, followed Birt as DG at the BBC.
Sir Michael Lyons a former Labour councillor and staunch Labourite was appointed Chairman of the BBC Trust by Gordon Brown...the BBC describes that particular role as 'one of the most influential posts in UK broadcasting'.
Previous Chairman Gavyn Davies, who resigned after the Hutton Report, had well-known Labour links; his wife was Gordon Brown's private secretary. Prior to taking up the role at the BBC, Davies was a member of the Labour Party.
Under Tony Hall’s management the BBC had an incestuous relationship with the Labour Party. BBC staffers assisted Labour’s ‘rapid rebuttal unit’ by tipping them off every time a Conservative said anything that challenged Labour.
Ben Bradshaw remained on the BBC Radio 4 payroll despite not working while campaigning to win his Exeter seat as an MP.
Joy Johnson, ex-BBC PR guru, became Labour’s Director of Communications, then lost her job, and was immediately re-hired by the beeb.
The Head of BBC Scotland's newsroom was strongly criticised by one of his former journalists over connections to Labour at the time of the independence referendum. John Boothman was a useful asset to the BBC at that time because of his Labour connections.
James Purnell, the former Labour culture secretary, stepped into a £295,000 a year job at the BBC.as Director of Radio.
Owen Smith, a former BBC journalist, was a Labour leadership candidate not long ago.
Former BBC Newsnight Business Editor Paul Mason is a key supporter of Jeremy Corbyn, who he described as "incapable of lying to the British people".
In January 2016 the BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg helped arrange for Labour MP Stephen Doughty to resign live on Daily Politics.
On the other side of things there's Robbie Gibb and Craig Oliver .
Some people deliberately miss the obvious to score repeated fails, complete with ironic sarcasm about others not understanding..
In terms of personality incest overall we see Labour far outnumbering the Tories in any case.
After quitting as BBC Director General, Lord Birt became an adviser to Tony Bliar.
Greg Dyke, a whopper among Tony's Cronies and a Labour donor, followed Birt as DG at the BBC.
Sir Michael Lyons a former Labour councillor and staunch Labourite was appointed Chairman of the BBC Trust by Gordon Brown...the BBC describes that particular role as 'one of the most influential posts in UK broadcasting'.
Previous Chairman Gavyn Davies, who resigned after the Hutton Report, had well-known Labour links; his wife was Gordon Brown's private secretary. Prior to taking up the role at the BBC, Davies was a member of the Labour Party.
Under Tony Hall’s management the BBC had an incestuous relationship with the Labour Party. BBC staffers assisted Labour’s ‘rapid rebuttal unit’ by tipping them off every time a Conservative said anything that challenged Labour.
Ben Bradshaw remained on the BBC Radio 4 payroll despite not working while campaigning to win his Exeter seat as an MP.
Joy Johnson, ex-BBC PR guru, became Labour’s Director of Communications, then lost her job, and was immediately re-hired by the beeb.
The Head of BBC Scotland's newsroom was strongly criticised by one of his former journalists over connections to Labour at the time of the independence referendum. John Boothman was a useful asset to the BBC at that time because of his Labour connections.
James Purnell, the former Labour culture secretary, stepped into a £295,000 a year job at the BBC.as Director of Radio.
Owen Smith, a former BBC journalist, was a Labour leadership candidate not long ago.
Former BBC Newsnight Business Editor Paul Mason is a key supporter of Jeremy Corbyn, who he described as "incapable of lying to the British people".
In January 2016 the BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg helped arrange for Labour MP Stephen Doughty to resign live on Daily Politics.
On the other side of things there's Robbie Gibb and Craig Oliver .
turbobloke said:
Evidence of bias is in the BBC's output and how it's generated.
Some people deliberately miss the obvious to score repeated fails, complete with ironic sarcasm about others not understanding..
In terms of personality incest overall we see Labour far outnumbering the Tories in any case.
After quitting as BBC Director General, Lord Birt became an adviser to Tony Bliar.
Greg Dyke, a whopper among Tony's Cronies and a Labour donor, followed Birt as DG at the BBC.
Sir Michael Lyons a former Labour councillor and staunch Labourite was appointed Chairman of the BBC Trust by Gordon Brown...the BBC describes that particular role as 'one of the most influential posts in UK broadcasting'.
Previous Chairman Gavyn Davies, who resigned after the Hutton Report, had well-known Labour links; his wife was Gordon Brown's private secretary. Prior to taking up the role at the BBC, Davies was a member of the Labour Party.
Under Tony Hall’s management the BBC had an incestuous relationship with the Labour Party. BBC staffers assisted Labour’s ‘rapid rebuttal unit’ by tipping them off every time a Conservative said anything that challenged Labour.
Ben Bradshaw remained on the BBC Radio 4 payroll despite not working while campaigning to win his Exeter seat as an MP.
Joy Johnson, ex-BBC PR guru, became Labour’s Director of Communications, then lost her job, and was immediately re-hired by the beeb.
The Head of BBC Scotland's newsroom was strongly criticised by one of his former journalists over connections to Labour at the time of the independence referendum. John Boothman was a useful asset to the BBC at that time because of his Labour connections.
James Purnell, the former Labour culture secretary, stepped into a £295,000 a year job at the BBC.as Director of Radio.
Owen Smith, a former BBC journalist, was a Labour leadership candidate not long ago.
Former BBC Newsnight Business Editor Paul Mason is a key supporter of Jeremy Corbyn, who he described as "incapable of lying to the British people".
In January 2016 the BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg helped arrange for Labour MP Stephen Doughty to resign live on Daily Politics.
On the other side of things there's Robbie Gibb and Craig Oliver .
Who is the director of News & Current Affairs? The big kahuna.Some people deliberately miss the obvious to score repeated fails, complete with ironic sarcasm about others not understanding..
In terms of personality incest overall we see Labour far outnumbering the Tories in any case.
After quitting as BBC Director General, Lord Birt became an adviser to Tony Bliar.
Greg Dyke, a whopper among Tony's Cronies and a Labour donor, followed Birt as DG at the BBC.
Sir Michael Lyons a former Labour councillor and staunch Labourite was appointed Chairman of the BBC Trust by Gordon Brown...the BBC describes that particular role as 'one of the most influential posts in UK broadcasting'.
Previous Chairman Gavyn Davies, who resigned after the Hutton Report, had well-known Labour links; his wife was Gordon Brown's private secretary. Prior to taking up the role at the BBC, Davies was a member of the Labour Party.
Under Tony Hall’s management the BBC had an incestuous relationship with the Labour Party. BBC staffers assisted Labour’s ‘rapid rebuttal unit’ by tipping them off every time a Conservative said anything that challenged Labour.
Ben Bradshaw remained on the BBC Radio 4 payroll despite not working while campaigning to win his Exeter seat as an MP.
Joy Johnson, ex-BBC PR guru, became Labour’s Director of Communications, then lost her job, and was immediately re-hired by the beeb.
The Head of BBC Scotland's newsroom was strongly criticised by one of his former journalists over connections to Labour at the time of the independence referendum. John Boothman was a useful asset to the BBC at that time because of his Labour connections.
James Purnell, the former Labour culture secretary, stepped into a £295,000 a year job at the BBC.as Director of Radio.
Owen Smith, a former BBC journalist, was a Labour leadership candidate not long ago.
Former BBC Newsnight Business Editor Paul Mason is a key supporter of Jeremy Corbyn, who he described as "incapable of lying to the British people".
In January 2016 the BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg helped arrange for Labour MP Stephen Doughty to resign live on Daily Politics.
On the other side of things there's Robbie Gibb and Craig Oliver .
Thanks for demonstrating my point, even if I doubt that that was your intention.
jjlynn27 said:
turbobloke said:
Evidence of bias is in the BBC's output and how it's generated.
Some people deliberately miss the obvious to score repeated fails, complete with ironic sarcasm about others not understanding..
In terms of personality incest overall we see Labour far outnumbering the Tories in any case.
After quitting as BBC Director General, Lord Birt became an adviser to Tony Bliar.
Greg Dyke, a whopper among Tony's Cronies and a Labour donor, followed Birt as DG at the BBC.
Sir Michael Lyons a former Labour councillor and staunch Labourite was appointed Chairman of the BBC Trust by Gordon Brown...the BBC describes that particular role as 'one of the most influential posts in UK broadcasting'.
Previous Chairman Gavyn Davies, who resigned after the Hutton Report, had well-known Labour links; his wife was Gordon Brown's private secretary. Prior to taking up the role at the BBC, Davies was a member of the Labour Party.
Under Tony Hall’s management the BBC had an incestuous relationship with the Labour Party. BBC staffers assisted Labour’s ‘rapid rebuttal unit’ by tipping them off every time a Conservative said anything that challenged Labour.
Ben Bradshaw remained on the BBC Radio 4 payroll despite not working while campaigning to win his Exeter seat as an MP.
Joy Johnson, ex-BBC PR guru, became Labour’s Director of Communications, then lost her job, and was immediately re-hired by the beeb.
The Head of BBC Scotland's newsroom was strongly criticised by one of his former journalists over connections to Labour at the time of the independence referendum. John Boothman was a useful asset to the BBC at that time because of his Labour connections.
James Purnell, the former Labour culture secretary, stepped into a £295,000 a year job at the BBC.as Director of Radio.
Owen Smith, a former BBC journalist, was a Labour leadership candidate not long ago.
Former BBC Newsnight Business Editor Paul Mason is a key supporter of Jeremy Corbyn, who he described as "incapable of lying to the British people".
In January 2016 the BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg helped arrange for Labour MP Stephen Doughty to resign live on Daily Politics.
On the other side of things there's Robbie Gibb and Craig Oliver .
Who is the director of News & Current Affairs? The big kahuna.Some people deliberately miss the obvious to score repeated fails, complete with ironic sarcasm about others not understanding..
In terms of personality incest overall we see Labour far outnumbering the Tories in any case.
After quitting as BBC Director General, Lord Birt became an adviser to Tony Bliar.
Greg Dyke, a whopper among Tony's Cronies and a Labour donor, followed Birt as DG at the BBC.
Sir Michael Lyons a former Labour councillor and staunch Labourite was appointed Chairman of the BBC Trust by Gordon Brown...the BBC describes that particular role as 'one of the most influential posts in UK broadcasting'.
Previous Chairman Gavyn Davies, who resigned after the Hutton Report, had well-known Labour links; his wife was Gordon Brown's private secretary. Prior to taking up the role at the BBC, Davies was a member of the Labour Party.
Under Tony Hall’s management the BBC had an incestuous relationship with the Labour Party. BBC staffers assisted Labour’s ‘rapid rebuttal unit’ by tipping them off every time a Conservative said anything that challenged Labour.
Ben Bradshaw remained on the BBC Radio 4 payroll despite not working while campaigning to win his Exeter seat as an MP.
Joy Johnson, ex-BBC PR guru, became Labour’s Director of Communications, then lost her job, and was immediately re-hired by the beeb.
The Head of BBC Scotland's newsroom was strongly criticised by one of his former journalists over connections to Labour at the time of the independence referendum. John Boothman was a useful asset to the BBC at that time because of his Labour connections.
James Purnell, the former Labour culture secretary, stepped into a £295,000 a year job at the BBC.as Director of Radio.
Owen Smith, a former BBC journalist, was a Labour leadership candidate not long ago.
Former BBC Newsnight Business Editor Paul Mason is a key supporter of Jeremy Corbyn, who he described as "incapable of lying to the British people".
In January 2016 the BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg helped arrange for Labour MP Stephen Doughty to resign live on Daily Politics.
On the other side of things there's Robbie Gibb and Craig Oliver .
Thanks for demonstrating my point, even if I doubt that that was your intention.
there are several Labour examples above which you can't match in number terms.turbobloke said:
The only point being demonstrated apart from your customarily hollow chutzpah is that with 1 cherry picked appointment against 12 counter examples including "'one of the most influential posts in UK broadcasting", you don't know that James Harding has never been a Conservative politician, local or national. If that was your intention then good for you there are several Labour examples above which you can't match in number terms.
You are right, counting the number of appointments, most of which have f there are several Labour examples above which you can't match in number terms.
k all to do with editorial policy, has me convinced. And Laura K, is a known leftie. Slightly more understandable if your opinions are served to you by Rush Limbaugh.
Anyone had the misfortune to catch Polyoaks, Radio 4's hilarious sitcom set in a doctor's surgery?
Two episodes in a row have been fairly nakedly political ("Oh, the poor NHS is in crisis, why can't the wicked Tories fund it properly, tax the rich etc.", cue lots of namechecking of health secretaries past and present that the BMA hate..)
This week's first five minutes was pretty much a party political broadcast, devoid as far as I could tell of any attempted jokes.
Two episodes in a row have been fairly nakedly political ("Oh, the poor NHS is in crisis, why can't the wicked Tories fund it properly, tax the rich etc.", cue lots of namechecking of health secretaries past and present that the BMA hate..)
This week's first five minutes was pretty much a party political broadcast, devoid as far as I could tell of any attempted jokes.
turbobloke said:
This and much more in the same vein is in various BBC Bias threads on PH, together with evidence from output such as the famous moment when R4's James Naughtie let the bias mask slip when interviewing Ed Balls live.
""If we win the election, does Gordon Brown remain Chancellor?"
Naughty....""If we win the election, does Gordon Brown remain Chancellor?"
Depending on where you are viewing from you will always find bias, real and perceived.
I think it high time the BBC adopt the same principle and vigor to the political views of its staff as it does in achieving all other aspects of diversity and inclusion. That would be relatively simple to achieve.
I think it high time the BBC adopt the same principle and vigor to the political views of its staff as it does in achieving all other aspects of diversity and inclusion. That would be relatively simple to achieve.
turbobloke said:
James Purnell, the former Labour culture secretary, stepped into a £295,000 a year job at the BBC.as Director of Radio.
Who does he have blackmail material on? For all the jobs he's had at the BBC they've had to hire 'deputies' for him as he's got no fking idea or talent, even less use than Botney.HarryW said:
Depending on where you are viewing from you will always find bias, real and perceived.
Maybe, but if you look back over this thread, and you know enough about the posting history of some of the posters involved its pretty clear that its right wing posters saying the BBC is biased and left wing posters saying that it isn't.Which rather indicates it is.
Johnnytheboy said:
Maybe, but if you look back over this thread, and you know enough about the posting history of some of the posters involved its pretty clear that its right wing posters saying the BBC is biased and left wing posters saying that it isn't.
Which rather indicates it is.
That's not exactly how it goes. There are very few 'proper' left-wingers on this site. 'Proper' left-wingers consider the BBC to the right-biased or at the very least pro-government.Which rather indicates it is.
Are you saying that the right-wingers are inherently 'right' about BBC bias?
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