Political bias at BBC - something has to be done surely
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loafer123 said:
They must have missed those almost weekly appearances by Nigel Farage in the run-up to the vote then.TTwiggy said:
loafer123 said:
They must have missed those almost weekly appearances by Nigel Farage in the run-up to the vote then.FiF said:
To add to that I'd suggest a few foreign sources, which while it assists in offering a wider view, in the times we are currently in, aldo adds further confusion and opposing views to the picture.
Have to say one thing, that foreign media can sometimes really show up some of the jingoistic anti Brexit stuff from The Guardian, The (Not So) Independent et al as being a completely uninformed shallow pool of snot, which makes it more amusing as it's the sort of stuff that our Remainer travellers seize on so eagerly. Equally at times the Brexit hubris balloon can be pricked, so it's not all one way. Of course, these foreign sources have their own agendas, which are sometimes rather inscrutable and difficult to grasp.
The real eye openers are foreign news websites which are blocked in the UK by Camerons internet filters, all in the interest of stopping online piracy, hackers, pedos, etc etc. The loss of access to free unbiased information, was merely an unfortunate side effect (yeah right). You could Google them, but Google blocks search results in the UK too. I do believe they're going to use the recent terror attacks as a platform to get VPNs banned too.Have to say one thing, that foreign media can sometimes really show up some of the jingoistic anti Brexit stuff from The Guardian, The (Not So) Independent et al as being a completely uninformed shallow pool of snot, which makes it more amusing as it's the sort of stuff that our Remainer travellers seize on so eagerly. Equally at times the Brexit hubris balloon can be pricked, so it's not all one way. Of course, these foreign sources have their own agendas, which are sometimes rather inscrutable and difficult to grasp.
TTwiggy said:
Yes. So when the status-quo was 'remain' they offered a 'leave' POV and now it's 'leave' they are offering a 'remain' POV.
Did you object to their lack of impartiality when Nigel was given all that airtime?
When was the status quo ever remain ?Did you object to their lack of impartiality when Nigel was given all that airtime?
We hadn't had a vote for over 40 years lol
Jinx said:
No that just makes it biased and skewed. You have also missed the entire bias via paradigm issue. Impartiality cannot be measured by airtime.
Then we are back in the realm of personal perception and one's own personal bias. There are plenty of people on 'the left' who see a right-leaning/pro-government bias in the BBC.V8covin said:
The leave brigade have always been regarded as fruitcakes and racists by the media.....not to mention the major political parties.... impartial my ass,leaning towards the opposite pov,my ass
It's your very biased opinion. Someone brought up actual statistics that most media were pro-leave for very long period of time. Do I think that you'll accept facts if they contradict your prejudices? Not a chance. TTwiggy said:
Then we are back in the realm of personal perception and one's own personal bias. There are plenty of people on 'the left' who see a right-leaning/pro-government bias in the BBC.
The BBC by its very makeup has an Institutionalised bias - many such organisations do (the Theatre for example) - your claims of proof that the BBC is impartial; that both "the left" and "the right" complain hence it is unbiased relies on a false equivalence. Do "the left" and "the right" complain about the same type of things (are the complaints equivalent), do those on "the left" and those on "the right" complain as often (not total number of complaints but number of complaints normalised against disposition) . Until you have reviewed all the data then you cannot say.Also pro-Government does not equal pro-right - there is much governments do that is collectivist and hence the libertarians will complain. Left/Right is not the only balance and to see things in those terms reveals another form of bias.
loafer123 said:
And that is the very opposite of impartial...
You were complaining that BBC were not reporting things, which were actually on the front page. It's irrelevant what proof you were given, chances of you realizing how tight your anti-bbc blinkers are, are very much close to zero.
TTwiggy said:
Then we are back in the realm of personal perception and one's own personal bias. There are plenty of people on 'the left' who see a right-leaning/pro-government bias in the BBC.
Of course we're not back in the realm of personal perception and one's own bias, as already demonstrated. Personal bias where it exists nevertheless permits accurate noting of bias to either the Left or Right in various media (Mail vs Mirror, Guardian vs Telegraph, Fox vs BBC). Noting bias requires critical faculties drawing on independent thinking, not the absence of a personal viewpoint which I suspect is being misrepresented as bias.
People on the Left seeing bias to the Right is not evidence of that bias, as a moment's thought would reveal. Apart from complaints being potentially tactical and/or vexatious, it ought to be obvious that evidence of bias arises from an analysis of actual output. I'd add self-confession in the case of the BBC.
Have a think about what it means to be unwilling to accept that self-confession.
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