Political bias at BBC - something has to be done surely
Discussion
El stovey said:
So let’s list this bias then from the last couple of pages.
Slight left
Anti Corbyn
Anti Boris
Anti brexit
Pro AGW climate change
London centric (although they have the Salford thing)
Pro woke liberal
Pro cultural inculcation
sneer at every opportunity at the right
hijacked by luvvies
biased against Labour because of Laura Kuenssberg
NW3/N1/SW13-centric view
adopting a pro SNP position
It’s a very specific bias isn’t it?
Yes, that's the point. Slight left
Anti Corbyn
Anti Boris
Anti brexit
Pro AGW climate change
London centric (although they have the Salford thing)
Pro woke liberal
Pro cultural inculcation
sneer at every opportunity at the right
hijacked by luvvies
biased against Labour because of Laura Kuenssberg
NW3/N1/SW13-centric view
adopting a pro SNP position
It’s a very specific bias isn’t it?
It isn't an intentional bias so much as the bulk of BBC staff have political positions clustered closely around exactly those views. Slightly to the right of Jeremy Corbyn, way to the left of Boris Johnson. Profit is suspicious, commerce is a con, the EU is wonderful. That's the norm as far as they are concerned, they don't know anyone who thinks differently.
They are aware that people with different views exist as an anthropological phenomenon, but they are assumed to be either wicked or insane.
Dr Jekyll said:
Yes, that's the point.
It isn't an intentional bias so much as the bulk of BBC staff have political positions clustered closely around exactly those views. Slightly to the right of Jeremy Corbyn, way to the left of Boris Johnson. Profit is suspicious, commerce is a con, the EU is wonderful. That's the norm as far as they are concerned, they don't know anyone who thinks differently.
They are aware that people with different views exist as an anthropological phenomenon, but they are assumed to be either wicked or insane.
Bang on. It isn't an intentional bias so much as the bulk of BBC staff have political positions clustered closely around exactly those views. Slightly to the right of Jeremy Corbyn, way to the left of Boris Johnson. Profit is suspicious, commerce is a con, the EU is wonderful. That's the norm as far as they are concerned, they don't know anyone who thinks differently.
They are aware that people with different views exist as an anthropological phenomenon, but they are assumed to be either wicked or insane.
The BBC is an collection of lots of - on average - centre left employees, who are overwhelmingly large city dwellers, trying very hard to be what they think is politically neutral.
Johnnytheboy said:
Bang on.
The BBC is an collection of lots of - on average - centre left employees, who are overwhelmingly large city dwellers, trying very hard to be what they think is politically neutral.
So their bias is the kind of bias that centre lefties trying very hard to be politically neutral would be biased about? The BBC is an collection of lots of - on average - centre left employees, who are overwhelmingly large city dwellers, trying very hard to be what they think is politically neutral.
Johnnytheboy said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Yes, that's the point.
It isn't an intentional bias so much as the bulk of BBC staff have political positions clustered closely around exactly those views. Slightly to the right of Jeremy Corbyn, way to the left of Boris Johnson. Profit is suspicious, commerce is a con, the EU is wonderful. That's the norm as far as they are concerned, they don't know anyone who thinks differently.
They are aware that people with different views exist as an anthropological phenomenon, but they are assumed to be either wicked or insane.
Bang on. It isn't an intentional bias so much as the bulk of BBC staff have political positions clustered closely around exactly those views. Slightly to the right of Jeremy Corbyn, way to the left of Boris Johnson. Profit is suspicious, commerce is a con, the EU is wonderful. That's the norm as far as they are concerned, they don't know anyone who thinks differently.
They are aware that people with different views exist as an anthropological phenomenon, but they are assumed to be either wicked or insane.
The BBC is an collection of lots of - on average - centre left employees, who are overwhelmingly large city dwellers, trying very hard to be what they think is politically neutral.
It's not bias as in comes from the top saying "Love Corbyn hate Johnson". It's just he usual nationalised industry problem.
Lots of f
king idiots, getting paid a lot, to do a st job with no real prospect of being fired or demoted. As everyone is the same. It inevitably becomes a massive echo chamber 
I've told this story elsewhere. Went on a first date (To Richmond of course) with a girl (via a dating app) who wrote for BBC News website. She was clearly smart, capable, educated. Was paid very well for it. But literally had never come across anyone with a counter view to her own on Brexit or the Conservative party.
I'm far from extreme in my views. Just obviously more centre right than she could deal with. You could almost see the smoke coming out of her ears it didn't compute
TheInternet said:
Zirconia said:
ITV delivered a poor show on the Rugby world cup, great matches, commentary and all that but picture quality was low, SD for some in my area.
are you talking about ITV's online service?8k down was on offer from the Rugby in Japan. I expect lines costs kept ITV keeping the purse strings tight and some transmitters don't have HD ITV 4 or whatever. But that is the thing, go Ito ITV charging model to "fix" the news model and say ta ta to some good stuff.
Brooking10 said:
Which of course neatly sidesteps the organisation’s significant investment in, and commitment to, regional programming and engagement.
What this really boils down to is that a certain breed of PHer doesn’t like the style and output of certain factions with BBC news and current affairs and as result fails to see anything else.
Have you ever seen much BBC regional output or are you relying on what the ever-self-congratulatory BBC says about itself? While there has always been a local (often token) BBC presence across the country, it has always been the poor relation and it's fairly uniformly sWhat this really boils down to is that a certain breed of PHer doesn’t like the style and output of certain factions with BBC news and current affairs and as result fails to see anything else.
t - factory fires, cats stuck up trees, plus a bit of local weather. There is the odd exception like the natural history stuff out of Bristol but it is a miniscule proportion of the BBC's output.As for the national stuff, it is of course possible that the luvvies who failed to resist relocation and who have been rusticated to Salford have retained the outlook of their London-based cohorts, not least as many seem to weekly commute to their jobs rather than have to rub shoulders with the ghastly proles.
TheInternet said:
Zirconia said:
ITV delivered a poor show on the Rugby world cup, great matches, commentary and all that but picture quality was low, SD for some in my area.
are you talking about ITV's online service?ITV still can't broadcast in anything above stereo (no Dolby Digital) unlike the BBC and have no plans for any UHD services.
psi310398 said:
Have you ever seen much BBC regional output or are you relying on what the ever-self-congratulatory BBC says about itself? While there has always been a local (often token) BBC presence across the country, it has always been the poor relation and it's fairly uniformly st - factory fires, cats stuck up trees, plus a bit of local weather. There is the odd exception like the natural history stuff out of Bristol but it is a miniscule proportion of the BBC's output.
As for the national stuff, it is of course possible that the luvvies who failed to resist relocation and who have been rusticated to Salford have retained the outlook of their London-based cohorts, not least as many seem to weekly commute to their jobs rather than have to rub shoulders with the ghastly proles.
I’ve worked on many restructuring cases or business collapses where the BBC has been an extremely useful and collaborative communications channel. Most notably in some of the more challenged regions such as the North East, Central Scotland and The Highlands and Islands.t - factory fires, cats stuck up trees, plus a bit of local weather. There is the odd exception like the natural history stuff out of Bristol but it is a miniscule proportion of the BBC's output.As for the national stuff, it is of course possible that the luvvies who failed to resist relocation and who have been rusticated to Salford have retained the outlook of their London-based cohorts, not least as many seem to weekly commute to their jobs rather than have to rub shoulders with the ghastly proles.
Your assessment of BBC regional output , particularly in writing off the rich variety of regional radio provision, is below par for your usual high standard.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
Not really. I mostly avoid the BBC myself because of it's appalling bias, though it's been quite entertaining since about 10pm Thursday. I would consider that a tiff on the left.
The BBC should be making programmes that a commercial broadcaster cant make under a commercially viable model, everything else should be scrapped. Can you imagine the fantastic in depth science and cultural programming that would produce as a result, it would be a great asset to schools in particular. 21st Century Man said:
I'd love to not pay the licence fee, I've no real beef with BBC content but they're responsible for the broadcasting network and we get a very poor freeview service, when the weathers nice we lose most of the HD channels and lots of others, if it's nice weather in winter we lose all the HD channels and the bulk of everything else too, no signal. We have a super duper aerial, the best coax cable, filters, and a kick ass booster system. Yet still I can't watch stuff. I could understand if I lived in rural Scotland, but it's a big town near Derby!
Buy a satellite box and use it for freeview only.Brooking10 said:
I’ve worked on many restructuring cases or business collapses where the BBC has been an extremely useful and collaborative communications channel. Most notably in some of the more challenged regions such as the North East, Central Scotland and The Highlands and Islands.
Your assessment of BBC regional output , particularly in writing off the rich variety of regional radio provision, is below par for your usual high standard.
Fair enough, the Scottish BBC isn't really what I had in mind when you mentioned regional programming (I'd have given it national status) and I'll defer to you on that, as I have little impression of it from my jaunts to Scotland. I'd also give that the Welsh BBC seems to be enjoying a bit of a golden age.Your assessment of BBC regional output , particularly in writing off the rich variety of regional radio provision, is below par for your usual high standard.
But I do have experience of sitting in my car or many hotel rooms in the North East (and elsewhere in England) listening to the output and I really don't recognise your description - I often tune in to local stations. Much of the genuinely local BBC output really does not seem to have advanced from the level of Pam Ayres on Radio Oxford I remember from the seventies.
jsf said:
The BBC should be making programmes that a commercial broadcaster cant make under a commercially viable model, everything else should be scrapped. Can you imagine the fantastic in depth science and cultural programming that would produce as a result, it would be a great asset to schools in particular.
The unique USP of the beeb is squandered on trying to be ITV. jsf said:
The BBC should be making programmes that a commercial broadcaster cant make under a commercially viable model, everything else should be scrapped. Can you imagine the fantastic in depth science and cultural programming that would produce as a result, it would be a great asset to schools in particular.
They should have a big budget to make programmes people won't pay to watch? Why?I would rather that was done, where really needed, through grants etc rather than having a big organisation which will inevitably take on a life of its own.
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