Political bias at BBC - something has to be done surely

[andymadmak]

bhstewie said:

If you want to highlight bias I'd suggest there are probably better examples to highlight it than a gasp from the a co-host on an 8 year old clip of the one-show

My point is that the BBC has a liberal position. Bias would imply that it supports Labour or Conservative or Monster Raving Loony. I've come to think that it doesn't support a party - it supports a particular viewpoint of the world. That viewpoint is overwhelmingly liberal.
I think the BBC should not be expressing viewpoints or 'taking positions' Nor do I think it should allow its presenters to do so.
The age of the clip is irrelevant. There are lots of examples as well you know.

[citizensm1th]

andymadmak said:

My point is that the BBC has a liberal position. Bias would imply that it supports Labour or Conservative or Monster Raving Loony. I've come to think that it doesn't support a party - it supports a particular viewpoint of the world. That viewpoint is overwhelmingly liberal.
I think the BBC should not be expressing viewpoints or 'taking positions' Nor do I think it should allow its presenters to do so.
The age of the clip is irrelevant. There are lots of examples as well you know.

A "liberal" view point is what we should have from a state media outlet ,one that neither favours the left or right in politics but presents the views and policies of both.

[andymadmak]

TTwiggy said:

When did ‘liberal’ become something to complain about?

when it's the supposedly neutral state broadcaster projecting its own positions on the various news stories and concerns of the time.

TTwiggy said:

As for Lineker’s fame being solely down to his BBC work, are you serious? Former England captain, one of the top scorers for his country, golden boot winner, star of Italia 90 (Gazza’s tears) and someone who played for Barcelona in an era when most English footballers barely left their home town. Have you noticed that David Beckham is rather more famous that Gary Speed?

Except I don't say that. So you've invented a nice straw man to attack.

As for the rest of your post, can you name the 3 England Captains that followed Lineker? (I'll trust you not to google the answer) Most people could not, I'd be prepared to wager.
But that's irrelevant too, because no matter that Lineker was a star of a footy tournament 30 years ago, the spotlight on him today comes in significant part as a result of him being a BBC1 presenter.

[andymadmak]

citizensm1th said:

A "liberal" view point is what we should have from a state media outlet ,one that neither favours the left or right in politics but presents the views and policies of both.

Ideally, yes. But the BBC does not do that. IMHO, it has a uniquely BBC view and THAT is what it presents

[andymadmak]

citizensm1th said:

I did chuckle at linekers fame being due to the BBC

Another one who can't read? Go back and look at what I said, and not what others said I said.

[chrispmartha]

andymadmak said:

bhstewie said:

If you want to highlight bias I'd suggest there are probably better examples to highlight it than a gasp from the a co-host on an 8 year old clip of the one-show

My point is that the BBC has a liberal position. Bias would imply that it supports Labour or Conservative or Monster Raving Loony. I've come to think that it doesn't support a party - it supports a particular viewpoint of the world. That viewpoint is overwhelmingly liberal.
I think the BBC should not be expressing viewpoints or 'taking positions' Nor do I think it should allow its presenters to do so.
The age of the clip is irrelevant. There are lots of examples as well you know.

Being ‘liberal’ in the classic use of the term is a good thing for the BBC to be isn’t it?

“ respecting and allowing many different types of beliefs or behaviour:”

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[andymadmak]

chrispmartha said:

Being ‘liberal’ in the classic use of the term is a good thing for the BBC to be isn’t it?

“ respecting and allowing many different types of beliefs or behaviour:”

“

Yes I agree. In the classic sense a 'liberal' BBC would be a good thing. But (and I recognise that I am not articulating this very well, so please do bear with me) the BBC has a particular take on what it means to be liberal. It has very fixed positions on a range of topics, and in pushing those positions it actually does NOT respect different types of beliefs or behaviour.
I am not talking about putting the National Front on Politics Today, or any such nonsense, but if you take (for example) the BBCs position in the Brexit debate it was absolutely clear that the BBC supported Remain, when it should have simply stayed neutral and served to facilitate an informed debate.
You may disagree, but that is how many many people see it. I did not want the BBC to support Brexit. I just wanted it to remain impartial, to question both sides. Of course, some beacons within the Beeb managed to do this, but many did not.

[citizensm1th]

andymadmak said:

citizensm1th said:

I did chuckle at linekers fame being due to the BBC

Another one who can't read? Go back and look at what I said, and not what others said I said.

you said

" his BBC fame offers him " lineker is world famous for his wendyball feats and had arguably more influence on a international level way before his wendyball fame got him his BBC gig. the BBC did not employ him because he was/is a great presenter they employed him because of his fame around the world for playing a girls game .his views would be reported whether or not he is employed by the BBC.

[andymadmak]

citizensm1th said:

you said

" his BBC fame offers him " lineker is world famous for his wendyball feats and had arguably more influence on a international level way before his wendyball fame got him his BBC gig. the BBC did not employ him because he was/is a great presenter they employed him because of his fame around the world for playing a girls game .his views would be reported whether or not he is employed by the BBC.

Nice clipped quote - here it is in full (I have highlighted the bit you deliberately omitted) :

I said:

In the case of Lineker, he doesn't use his programs, but he does use the social media platform that his BBC fame offers him to push his views more widely than perhaps might have been the case for other ex footballers..

Yes, he was a good footy player but that was 30 years ago. Many folk alive today might not even be aware that he even played the game! Much of his continued fame is now due to his exposure as a BBC presenter

[chrispmartha]

andymadmak said:

chrispmartha said:

Being ‘liberal’ in the classic use of the term is a good thing for the BBC to be isn’t it?

“ respecting and allowing many different types of beliefs or behaviour:”

“

Yes I agree. In the classic sense a 'liberal' BBC would be a good thing. But (and I recognise that I am not articulating this very well, so please do bear with me) the BBC has a particular take on what it means to be liberal. It has very fixed positions on a range of topics, and in pushing those positions it actually does NOT respect different types of beliefs or behaviour.
I am not talking about putting the National Front on Politics Today, or any such nonsense, but if you take (for example) the BBCs position in the Brexit debate it was absolutely clear that the BBC supported Remain, when it should have simply stayed neutral and served to facilitate an informed debate.
You may disagree, but that is how many many people see it. I did not want the BBC to support Brexit. I just wanted it to remain impartial, to question both sides. Of course, some beacons within the Beeb managed to do this, but many did not.

The problem is many see it the other way aswell, you’ll find many people think the BBC was biased in favour of Brexit, it all depends on your own bias and that forms your opinion, there’s many tgat see the BBC as pro conservatives but that is likely because the are seeing it from an anti conservatives position and vice versa.

Now, I think that in the main the employees of the BBC are probably more ‘liberal’ but that is more to do with that sector (the media) attracting more ‘liberal’ employees, however personally I think the actual output is pretty fairly non committal either way and is balanced and fair, I’m sure you could find clips that could ‘prove’ they are biased to either the ‘left’ and indeed the opposite but I think they are a tiny fraction for the actual amount of output that the BBC has.

The clip you chose though? If that’s the best you e got to prove the BBC is left wing biased it’s pretty poor and really doesn’t do your argument much good, IMO of course

[chrispmartha]

andymadmak said:

citizensm1th said:

you said

" his BBC fame offers him " lineker is world famous for his wendyball feats and had arguably more influence on a international level way before his wendyball fame got him his BBC gig. the BBC did not employ him because he was/is a great presenter they employed him because of his fame around the world for playing a girls game .his views would be reported whether or not he is employed by the BBC.

Nice clipped quote - here it is in full (I have highlighted the bit you deliberately omitted) :

I said:

In the case of Lineker, he doesn't use his programs, but he does use the social media platform that his BBC fame offers him to push his views more widely than perhaps might have been the case for other ex footballers..

Yes, he was a good footy player but that was 30 years ago. Many folk alive today might not even be aware that he even played the game! Much of his continued fame is now due to his exposure as a BBC presenter

I agree with you on this actually but where I disagree is that a sports presenter shouldn’t be allowed to post his political views on twitter nust because he works for the BBC, if he was a presenter on a political show then that is a different matter

[Halb]

chrispmartha said:

Inside Number 9
The Detectorists
Gavin & Stacey (not my thing but can appreciate it)
Stewart Lees Comedy Vehicle
Mum
Two Doors Down
Alan Partridge
Fleabag
Ladhood
A year in the life of a year
Not going out
League of gentlemen
Mortimer & Whitehouse gone fishing
The Trip
Nighty night
The thick of it
This country
What we do in the shadows

Nice list, one of my faves of recent years was People Just Do Nothing

[Halb]

El stovey said:

Does anyone else get confused by these two.



They have similar names but seem to be on opposing sides on everything

I do get confused with names, but it usually tens to be the new joiners, who jump straight into big topics with both feet the same opinions and similar posting style.

[psi310398]

andymadmak said:

Yes, he was a good footy player but that was 30 years ago. Many folk alive today might not even be aware that he even played the game! Much of his continued fame is now due to his exposure as a BBC presenter

Agreed. But some of the criticism might also have something to do with his apparent reluctance to pay his fair share towards keeping the country running while furiously virtue-signalling his progressive views at the drop of a hat.

[mko9]

citizensm1th said:

Lineker is world famous for his wendyball feats and had arguably more influence on a international level way before his wendyball fame got him his BBC gig. the BBC did not employ him because he was/is a great presenter they employed him because of his fame around the world for playing a girls game .his views would be reported whether or not he is employed by the BBC.

I think you greatly overestimate his fame and importance in the realm of football once you get beyond the shores of England.

[Ridgemont]

Fun evening on Newsnight tonight.

The programme focussed on Weinstein/#metoo for 35 mins and a health app for 10.

Anything else going on in the world right now?

[Zirconia]

Ridgemont said:

Fun evening on Newsnight tonight.

The programme focussed on Weinstein/#metoo for 35 mins and a health app for 10.

Anything else going on in the world right now?

It was pretty big news item yesterday dropping yesterday afternoon. Even made the front cover of a few of this mornings papers. Quite a few if the covers are to be believed.

Edit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-516234...

Edited by Zirconia on Tuesday 25th February 06:44

[eccles]

chrispmartha said:

andymadmak said:

chrispmartha said:

Being ‘liberal’ in the classic use of the term is a good thing for the BBC to be isn’t it?

“ respecting and allowing many different types of beliefs or behaviour:”

“

Yes I agree. In the classic sense a 'liberal' BBC would be a good thing. But (and I recognise that I am not articulating this very well, so please do bear with me) the BBC has a particular take on what it means to be liberal. It has very fixed positions on a range of topics, and in pushing those positions it actually does NOT respect different types of beliefs or behaviour.
I am not talking about putting the National Front on Politics Today, or any such nonsense, but if you take (for example) the BBCs position in the Brexit debate it was absolutely clear that the BBC supported Remain, when it should have simply stayed neutral and served to facilitate an informed debate.
You may disagree, but that is how many many people see it. I did not want the BBC to support Brexit. I just wanted it to remain impartial, to question both sides. Of course, some beacons within the Beeb managed to do this, but many did not.

The problem is many see it the other way aswell, you’ll find many people think the BBC was biased in favour of Brexit, it all depends on your own bias and that forms your opinion, there’s many tgat see the BBC as pro conservatives but that is likely because the are seeing it from an anti conservatives position and vice versa.

Now, I think that in the main the employees of the BBC are probably more ‘liberal’ but that is more to do with that sector (the media) attracting more ‘liberal’ employees, however personally I think the actual output is pretty fairly non committal either way and is balanced and fair, I’m sure you could find clips that could ‘prove’ they are biased to either the ‘left’ and indeed the opposite but I think they are a tiny fraction for the actual amount of output that the BBC has.

The clip you chose though? If that’s the best you e got to prove the BBC is left wing biased it’s pretty poor and really doesn’t do your argument much good, IMO of course

I don't think the BBC is biased to the left or right, but you'd have to be absolutely blind not to see the bias when it came to brexit. Much the same when it comes to climate change, they manage to fit it in to all sorts of reports that have nothing to do with the subject.

[PRTVR]

Zirconia said:

Ridgemont said:

Fun evening on Newsnight tonight.

The programme focussed on Weinstein/#metoo for 35 mins and a health app for 10.

Anything else going on in the world right now?

It was pretty big news item yesterday dropping yesterday afternoon. Even made the front cover of a few of this mornings papers. Quite a few if the covers are to be believed.

Edit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-516234...

Edited by Zirconia on Tuesday 25th February 06:44

I would question it is a big news item, my wife said who cares? The big news items were a pandemic and a the fall in the stock markets along with flooding around the UK, not a Hollywood celebrity, we only need to know when the outcome of the prosecution comes out, nothing more.
Edit to add
The BBC should give more airtime to the grooming gangs if it feels rape is an important subject.

Edited by PRTVR on Tuesday 25th February 07:19

[psi310398]

PRTVR said:

Zirconia said:

Ridgemont said:

Fun evening on Newsnight tonight.

The programme focussed on Weinstein/#metoo for 35 mins and a health app for 10.

Anything else going on in the world right now?

It was pretty big news item yesterday dropping yesterday afternoon. Even made the front cover of a few of this mornings papers. Quite a few if the covers are to be believed.

Edit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-516234...

Edited by Zirconia on Tuesday 25th February 06:44

I would question it is a big news item, my wife said who cares? The big news items were a pandemic and a the fall in the stock markets along with flooding around the UK, not a Hollywood celebrity, we only need to know when the outcome of the prosecution comes out, nothing more.

Quite. So HW has been convicted and publicly shown to be the grubby little man he is. But the existence of the casting couch and the abuse of women/children in cinema/theatre/television through coercive sex and physical rape is hardly news, let alone hold the front pages stuff, except apparently to a bunch of self-absorbed luvvies in selfsame industry.