Political bias at BBC - something has to be done surely
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psi310398 said:
If by posting for a rise, you mean my simply questioning the BBC's priorities or good faith, then yes, you have me there...
I tend to switch over from Newsnight if it decides to go on one of its woke crusades but most evenings it seems to identify reasonably sensibly the key news items to focus on.
But, taking your argument seriously, do you really believe that if, say, the CEO of one of the largest plastics injection moulding concerns in the world had been convicted in similar circumstances, we'd have seen similar coverage to highlight how people are abused by people in positions of influence and power? Really?
But rightly or wrongly fame gets you a platform.I tend to switch over from Newsnight if it decides to go on one of its woke crusades but most evenings it seems to identify reasonably sensibly the key news items to focus on.
But, taking your argument seriously, do you really believe that if, say, the CEO of one of the largest plastics injection moulding concerns in the world had been convicted in similar circumstances, we'd have seen similar coverage to highlight how people are abused by people in positions of influence and power? Really?
I sort of get the point I think you're clumsily making, but it's not a BBC thing, Weinstein was headline news on almost every media outlet yesterday.
And as already highlighted maybe don't think of it as "Hollywood bloke gets news coverage" try and look at the wider positive impact that the coverage hopefully has.
I've heard some interviews in the last 24 hours that even a few years ago wouldn't have taken place because "these things happen".
Bigger picture.
chrispmartha said:
Anyway Coronovirus seems to be the lead news item on the BBC this morning, I’m presuming PRTVR’s wife is ok with this?
I was listening to a few interviews with BBC reporters in Italy yesterday trying to get the gist of the story with the situation, they were at the authority road blocks. On radio. There is a lot of coverage.Brooking10 said:
Bulls
t, you posted deliberately inflammatory language and knew it would attract a response.
As for your comparison that’s laughable and PH binary NPE twonk 101.
The answer is of course no, but you knew that and you also know why.
Surely it's only laughable if you accept that the news coverage is really about the media and not really about the abuse of power at all? HW is in the news because he's a prominent luvvie and he's been caught out. But the coverage is to an extent and depth that the hypothetical plastics CEO rapist's case would never go. And it really does not seem unduly controversial to suggest that the BBC and other media providers are overly obsessed with their own industry.t, you posted deliberately inflammatory language and knew it would attract a response. As for your comparison that’s laughable and PH binary NPE twonk 101.
The answer is of course no, but you knew that and you also know why.
chrispmartha said:
Anyway Coronovirus seems to be the lead news item on the BBC this morning, I’m presuming PRTVR’s wife is ok with this?
It’s all about context. We don’t really know what Mrs PRTVR meant when she said “who cares” only PRTVR was there but he was probably too busy studying the BBC for bias. PRTVR “bbc lefties liberals wokeness etc”
PRTVR’s wife (Rolls eyes at PRTVR’s ranting) “who cares”
PRTVR “political bias, lefties, liberals, they still haven’t learned etc”
PRTVR’s wife “zzz”
PRTVR “ I would question it is a big news item, my wife said who cares?”
psi310398 said:
Brooking10 said:
Bullst, you posted deliberately inflammatory language and knew it would attract a response.
As for your comparison that’s laughable and PH binary NPE twonk 101.
The answer is of course no, but you knew that and you also know why.
Surely it's only laughable if you accept that the news coverage is really about the media and not really about the abuse of power at all? HW is in the news because he's a prominent luvvie and he's been caught out. But the coverage is to an extent and depth that the hypothetical plastics CEO rapist's case would never go. And it really does not seem unduly controversial to suggest that the BBC and other media providers are overly obsessed with their own industry.t, you posted deliberately inflammatory language and knew it would attract a response. As for your comparison that’s laughable and PH binary NPE twonk 101.
The answer is of course no, but you knew that and you also know why.
Celebrities will always generate more headlines than your average joe, its not a new thing, nor is it a BBC bias thing
chrispmartha said:
But that’s a separate argument and not one to bash the BBC with.
Celebrities will always generate more headlines than your average joe, its not a new thing, nor is it a BBC bias thing
Agree that’s the way it is.Celebrities will always generate more headlines than your average joe, its not a new thing, nor is it a BBC bias thing
Maybe we should hold our subsidised state broadcaster to a different set of standards though when it comes to celebrity news.
chrispmartha said:
But that’s a separate argument and not one to bash the BBC with.
Celebrities will always generate more headlines than your average joe, its not a new thing, nor is it a BBC bias thing
Sure, except that the argument from the Corporation's defenders seems to be that the BBC is somehow special and higher quality than the others...Celebrities will always generate more headlines than your average joe, its not a new thing, nor is it a BBC bias thing
psi310398 said:
Surely it's only laughable if you accept that the news coverage is really about the media and not really about the abuse of power at all? HW is in the news because he's a prominent luvvie and he's been caught out. But the coverage is to an extent and depth that the hypothetical plastics CEO rapist's case would never go. And it really does not seem unduly controversial to suggest that the BBC and other media providers are overly obsessed with their own industry.
Is the plastics industry allegedly rife with such examples ?I’m not aware of many CEO’s in industry who conduct a high volume of interviews with young, impressionable, naive and no doubt in some cases rather stupid young females on the promise of low paid roles or career breaks on the premise of “that’s how it works”.
psi310398 said:
chrispmartha said:
But that’s a separate argument and not one to bash the BBC with.
Celebrities will always generate more headlines than your average joe, its not a new thing, nor is it a BBC bias thing
Sure, except that the argument from the Corporation's defenders seems to be that the BBC is somehow special and higher quality than the others...Celebrities will always generate more headlines than your average joe, its not a new thing, nor is it a BBC bias thing
If we are talking about quality then you have to look at whether Newsnights coverage was of a higher quality than say ITVs coverage, I don't know I didn't watch either.
The BBCs detractors on here say the BBC is biased which is why this story seems a strange hill to die on as it was pretty much covered by every news channel in the country so it wasn't biased in this instance was it, it was just reporting on the days news.
TTwiggy said:
If the BBC downplayed the Weinstein case and instead rooted out examples of non-celebrity CEOs who had abused their position then this thread would be up in arms about them ‘defending one of their own’.
If the BBC had factually reported his conviction at, say, point four or five in the news bulletins, and then skipped all the other commentary, do you really think anybody would have any issue with that approach at all?psi310398 said:
TTwiggy said:
If the BBC downplayed the Weinstein case and instead rooted out examples of non-celebrity CEOs who had abused their position then this thread would be up in arms about them ‘defending one of their own’.
If the BBC had factually reported his conviction at, say, point four or five in the news bulletins, and then skipped all the other commentary, do you really think anybody would have any issue with that approach at all?Did they not report it factually then?
andymadmak said:
Yes I agree. In the classic sense a 'liberal' BBC would be a good thing. But (and I recognise that I am not articulating this very well, so please do bear with me) the BBC has a particular take on what it means to be liberal. It has very fixed positions on a range of topics, and in pushing those positions it actually does NOT respect different types of beliefs or behaviour.
I am not talking about putting the National Front on Politics Today, or any such nonsense, but if you take (for example) the BBCs position in the Brexit debate it was absolutely clear that the BBC supported Remain, when it should have simply stayed neutral and served to facilitate an informed debate.
You may disagree, but that is how many many people see it. I did not want the BBC to support Brexit. I just wanted it to remain impartial, to question both sides. Of course, some beacons within the Beeb managed to do this, but many did not.
Another good post andymadmak; I agree with that 100%, and your longer post yesterday.I am not talking about putting the National Front on Politics Today, or any such nonsense, but if you take (for example) the BBCs position in the Brexit debate it was absolutely clear that the BBC supported Remain, when it should have simply stayed neutral and served to facilitate an informed debate.
You may disagree, but that is how many many people see it. I did not want the BBC to support Brexit. I just wanted it to remain impartial, to question both sides. Of course, some beacons within the Beeb managed to do this, but many did not.
The BBC's Inside Out programme broadcast a piece regarding the allegedly poor air quality in the country's drive thru fast food outlets. Not sure if anyone else saw it or the related clips shown several times on the BBC News Channel yesterday........it came across as an excuse to chuck dirt in the direction of Macdonald, KFC and Costa. Why was the piece made??...........because levels of Nitrogen dioxide, at one Macdonalds in London, were 25% higher than legal limits. The measurements were taken outside the stores near the serving hatches and not inside where staff were working. The results, as presented by the BBC, were drivel.
As Sir Anthony Jay, co writer of Yes Minister said of his time at the BBC "We were anti-industry, anti-capitalism, anti-advertising, anti-selling, anti-profit, anti-patriotism, anti-monarchy, anti-Empire, anti-police, anti-armed forces, anti-bomb, anti-authority. Almost anything that made the world a freer, safer and more prosperous place, you name it, we were anti it."
Yeserday's anti corporate air pollution drivel was a perfect example of the BBC's rhetoric, it's not subtle.
Edited by Crackie on Tuesday 25th February 09:10
psi310398 said:
TTwiggy said:
If the BBC downplayed the Weinstein case and instead rooted out examples of non-celebrity CEOs who had abused their position then this thread would be up in arms about them ‘defending one of their own’.
If the BBC had factually reported his conviction at, say, point four or five in the news bulletins, and then skipped all the other commentary, do you really think anybody would have any issue with that approach at all?Seems like backpedaling tbh. Why not just admit you said something stupid before, it was this comment that sparked the responses you’re getting.
psi310398 said:
Quite. So HW has been convicted and publicly shown to be the grubby little man he is. But the existence of the casting couch and the abuse of women/children in cinema/theatre/television through coercive sex and physical rape is hardly news, let alone hold the front pages stuff, except apparently to a bunch of self-absorbed luvvies in selfsame industry.
Which was pretty ignorant as it was on the front page of all the papers and is obviously of interest to people, not just “ self-absorbed luvvies in selfsame industry.”psi310398 said:
If the BBC had factually reported his conviction at, say, point four or five in the news bulletins, and then skipped all the other commentary, do you really think anybody would have any issue with that approach at all?
Yes. The question would be why the BBC were giving it less prominence then all the other outlets. At which point the detractors would wheel out the Jimmy Saville angle and claim it as an example of the BBC closing ranks to protect those in the entertainment industry. The detractors will always find an angle, because it’s not about content, or cost, it’s political.Newsnight was an interesting and good article since it was raised earlier. Just watched the Wienstien bit, 28 mins then starts a piece on the NHS chatbot Babylon and what is wrong with it. Then a discussion with the app maker and a Doctors that says its bust.
Oops. Mr C won't be happy. Again.
Oops. Mr C won't be happy. Again.
TTwiggy said:
The detractors will always find an angle, because it’s not about content, or cost, it’s political.
This It’s a service which one can easily disassociate from both in terms of consumption and financial commitment, as evidenced earlier in this very thread
And yet ......
I’ve said it repeatedly, it’s an irrational fear which draws moths to a flame.
BBC dramas are 'woke' propaganda, not entertainment........
https://internewscast.com/bbc-dramas-are-woke-prop...
The BBC's propaganda has turned millions away. Dr Who's audiences are almost the lowest ever thanks to the BBC's insistence on turning everything into an exercise in cultural engineering. The BBC decided they could insult everyone's intelligence and create its own vision through media, with a scant disregard for anyone but themselves, and they have the audacity to charge a whopping yearly fee for it, along with placing many people in fear who dont watch it by sending them nasty letters telling them they are 'under investigation' and have intimidating sales people banging on their doors.
Sad to see the demise of a once great service but the BBC have only themselves to blame for the enormous numbers that
have deserted them and continue to do so on a daily basis.
Requiring a licence to watch a TV is a long out of date concept, and the vast majority of the populace have cottoned on
to that fact.
https://internewscast.com/bbc-dramas-are-woke-prop...
The BBC's propaganda has turned millions away. Dr Who's audiences are almost the lowest ever thanks to the BBC's insistence on turning everything into an exercise in cultural engineering. The BBC decided they could insult everyone's intelligence and create its own vision through media, with a scant disregard for anyone but themselves, and they have the audacity to charge a whopping yearly fee for it, along with placing many people in fear who dont watch it by sending them nasty letters telling them they are 'under investigation' and have intimidating sales people banging on their doors.
Sad to see the demise of a once great service but the BBC have only themselves to blame for the enormous numbers that
have deserted them and continue to do so on a daily basis.
Requiring a licence to watch a TV is a long out of date concept, and the vast majority of the populace have cottoned on
to that fact.
El stovey said:
psi310398 said:
TTwiggy said:
If the BBC downplayed the Weinstein case and instead rooted out examples of non-celebrity CEOs who had abused their position then this thread would be up in arms about them ‘defending one of their own’.
If the BBC had factually reported his conviction at, say, point four or five in the news bulletins, and then skipped all the other commentary, do you really think anybody would have any issue with that approach at all?Seems like backpedaling tbh. Why not just admit you said something stupid before, it was this comment that sparked the responses you’re getting.
psi310398 said:
Quite. So HW has been convicted and publicly shown to be the grubby little man he is. But the existence of the casting couch and the abuse of women/children in cinema/theatre/television through coercive sex and physical rape is hardly news, let alone hold the front pages stuff, except apparently to a bunch of self-absorbed luvvies in selfsame industry.
Which was pretty ignorant as it was on the front page of all the papers and is obviously of interest to people, not just “ self-absorbed luvvies in selfsame industry.”Slightly O/T but having bashed BBC dramas on other threads, can I just voice support for the excellent Hidden police drama. Love the plot, the scenery is amazing and the fact that a good number of the characters spend a lot of their time conversing in Welsh (with subtitles for the hard of Cymraeg) is wonderful. It really is a 'thing' IMHO.
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