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Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark. Prince Philip of the German Ducal House, Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg. Phil' the Greek.
Remind me again, what exactly has he done to deserve all the forelock-tugging? Oh that's right, did less than my father in WWII and married a princess.
Life's tough at the top.
Remind me again, what exactly has he done to deserve all the forelock-tugging? Oh that's right, did less than my father in WWII and married a princess.
Life's tough at the top.
Shuvi said:
Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark. Prince Philip of the German Ducal House, Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg. Phil' the Greek.
Remind me again, what exactly has he done to deserve all the forelock-tugging? Oh that's right, did less than my father in WWII and married a princess.
Life's tough at the top.
Let's do a simple comparison, what exactly did your father do in World War 2?Remind me again, what exactly has he done to deserve all the forelock-tugging? Oh that's right, did less than my father in WWII and married a princess.
Life's tough at the top.
AndrewW-G said:
Let's do a simple comparison, what exactly did your father do in World War 2?
I think a lot of people forget that the Duke of Edinburgh was a serving RN officer from 1939 to 1951/ 2 when it became obvious that the King was in ill health and The then Princess Elizabeth took on more and more official duties. the Duke Of Edinburgh's relationship with the then Princess Elizabeth wasn't 'official' until 1946 , and the Duke of Edinburgh , as a condition of marriage had to renounce all his foreign titles - he was then created a Duke on the Day of his marriage in 1947 and did not regain the title of Prince until 1957.Shuvi said:
Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark. Prince Philip of the German Ducal House, Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg. Phil' the Greek.
Remind me again, what exactly has he done to deserve all the forelock-tugging? Oh that's right, did less than my father in WWII and married a princess.
Life's tough at the top.
You have a point that life isn't tough at the top but you might be missing the point as to why people like him. Remind me again, what exactly has he done to deserve all the forelock-tugging? Oh that's right, did less than my father in WWII and married a princess.
Life's tough at the top.
People like him because so many people at the top keep quiet and many people below have no voice yet he instinctively says what he thinks and so many of those times he says what we all want to say but either cannot or won't be heard.
I think we like him because of his position and the fact that he is unashamed of it.
If more people in power were honest he would not be held in such regard. Sadly he is a little bit of a beacon in a pool of quiet darkness.
Guam said:
You raised it so if you are going to make that comparison then you need to back it up, if it was a car it would be the "custard test".
As for being a Sailor, mmm lots of those guys died in the North atlantic convoys, in the med, on the winter runs to murmansk, etc etc etc.
My Fil went right through the war in Artillery <died in feb> hell fire corner and Monte Cassino just two places he went and he never doubted phillips war record.
One guy I knew <friend of my old mans> was in the merchant Navy and was torpedoed three times in the war <was an engineer so he took that a bit personal>
Yeah it was cushy alright!
So what gives you <or anyone> that right?
Basically put up or shut up!
BTW Also had Family members in The far East <one with orde wingate> and a couple who never made it back.
One Was in A jap POW camp with a steel plate in his head courtesy of Tojo, again neither of them questioned his record <even though they had republican leanings>!
Every crew Phil' was with went through the same as him. Don't mistake my utter contempt at the forelock-tugging on display for a lack of respect for the men and women of the forces during wartime.As for being a Sailor, mmm lots of those guys died in the North atlantic convoys, in the med, on the winter runs to murmansk, etc etc etc.
My Fil went right through the war in Artillery <died in feb> hell fire corner and Monte Cassino just two places he went and he never doubted phillips war record.
One guy I knew <friend of my old mans> was in the merchant Navy and was torpedoed three times in the war <was an engineer so he took that a bit personal>
Yeah it was cushy alright!So what gives you <or anyone> that right?
Basically put up or shut up!
BTW Also had Family members in The far East <one with orde wingate> and a couple who never made it back.
One Was in A jap POW camp with a steel plate in his head courtesy of Tojo, again neither of them questioned his record <even though they had republican leanings>!
Edited by Guam on Sunday 25th December 17:54
As for what my father did; well if he wants to sign up and tell you about it that's up to him, but I'm not going to post his exploits to some randoms on the internet.
Guam said:
You are basically missing the point <deliberately> you confuse respect for a mans war record with being servile.
Anyone who served in that <or any> conflict is desarving of our respect <irrespective of what they do now or what branch they were in>.
I expect your father would generally feel the same, oh and just because everyone of a ships company, platoon, Company, Regiment or Scuadron went through the same thing does not beliittle any participant and tbh to belittle one is to belittle all. Any ex grunt will tell you <especially the decorated ones> that bravery was shown every day by everyone there, sometimes it was witnessed and documented leading to an award.
The attitude shown by some on here for banal reasons, to this issue is pretty shameful imho!
I think you miss my point. It has nothing to do with what Phil' may or may not have done, it is the attitude of the many posters on this thread. They needed some reasons to justify said attitude so dredge up the fact that he did what hundreds of thousands of men and women did at the same time. This doesn't alter their irrational attitude toward a man that thinks they're people not fit to share the air we breathe.Anyone who served in that <or any> conflict is desarving of our respect <irrespective of what they do now or what branch they were in>.
I expect your father would generally feel the same, oh and just because everyone of a ships company, platoon, Company, Regiment or Scuadron went through the same thing does not beliittle any participant and tbh to belittle one is to belittle all. Any ex grunt will tell you <especially the decorated ones> that bravery was shown every day by everyone there, sometimes it was witnessed and documented leading to an award.
The attitude shown by some on here for banal reasons, to this issue is pretty shameful imho!
Guam said:
You came in on an aspect that had been dealt with and attacked his record in essence, missing the point that he was NOT Uk royalty at that time, , whats next attacking the Duke of Kents sacrifice in ww2 because he happened to be Royal, typically Royals who serve generally go into harms way to eschew exactly this type of criticism, his sacrifice is not lessened due to his station nor can it be greater than everyone who sadly died in conflict, this is why for that <if for no other reason>, respect is due and has been earned.
You have your opinion of him, I have another based on my personal experiences. Attack the institution and the man if you must, leave his combat record out of it, you are not qualified to criticise, nor is anyone who was not present.
We accept all combat awards, decorations and dispatch mentions at face value, whoever the individual is.
Unless you can provide hard FACTS to the contrary then leave that out of your critique is all I have maintained.
I know it's Christmas and some folks have a hangover but, really, WTF are you on about. Others dragged up his war record he was a sailor, did sailory things. I'm pointing out the irrational forelock heaving and servility on display, not just here.You have your opinion of him, I have another based on my personal experiences. Attack the institution and the man if you must, leave his combat record out of it, you are not qualified to criticise, nor is anyone who was not present.
We accept all combat awards, decorations and dispatch mentions at face value, whoever the individual is.
Unless you can provide hard FACTS to the contrary then leave that out of your critique is all I have maintained.
Shuvi said:
Every crew Phil' was with went through the same as him. Don't mistake my utter contempt at the forelock-tugging on display for a lack of respect for the men and women of the forces during wartime.
As for what my father did; well if he wants to sign up and tell you about it that's up to him, but I'm not going to post his exploits to some randoms on the internet.
It's a little irrational to think that the very same people who respect Phil's record wouldn't have the same and more respect for all the others in the same situation. As for what my father did; well if he wants to sign up and tell you about it that's up to him, but I'm not going to post his exploits to some randoms on the internet.
To respect one is to respect them all. To make exclusions highlights a disrespect born from bigotry of some kind. It's not healthy.
DonkeyApple said:
Shuvi said:
Every crew Phil' was with went through the same as him. Don't mistake my utter contempt at the forelock-tugging on display for a lack of respect for the men and women of the forces during wartime.
As for what my father did; well if he wants to sign up and tell you about it that's up to him, but I'm not going to post his exploits to some randoms on the internet.
It's a little irrational to think that the very same people who respect Phil's record wouldn't have the same and more respect for all the others in the same situation. As for what my father did; well if he wants to sign up and tell you about it that's up to him, but I'm not going to post his exploits to some randoms on the internet.
To respect one is to respect them all. To make exclusions highlights a disrespect born from bigotry of some kind. It's not healthy.
Shuvi said:
This doesn't alter their irrational attitude toward a man that thinks they're people not fit to share the air we breathe.
Oh do f
k off troll. Have you met him? I've met hundreds of officers in my time; some good, some bad, some unbelievably crap, and he was excellent - regardless of his position within the Royals. If you regard showing respect for a decent bloke as forelock-tugging then you need to get a life.Dixie68 said:
Oh do fk off troll. Have you met him? I've met hundreds of officers in my time; some good, some bad, some unbelievably crap, and he was excellent - regardless of his position within the Royals. If you regard showing respect for a decent bloke as forelock-tugging then you need to get a life.
Have you considered anger management counselling?k off troll. Have you met him? I've met hundreds of officers in my time; some good, some bad, some unbelievably crap, and he was excellent - regardless of his position within the Royals. If you regard showing respect for a decent bloke as forelock-tugging then you need to get a life.Shuvi said:
Dixie68 said:
Oh do fk off troll. Have you met him? I've met hundreds of officers in my time; some good, some bad, some unbelievably crap, and he was excellent - regardless of his position within the Royals. If you regard showing respect for a decent bloke as forelock-tugging then you need to get a life.
I think he's making the point that you are becoming rather boring, with your half-baked, chip-on-the-shoulder bleating. I haven't seen any forelock tugging on this thread, just a majority of people who respect the Duke and his many achievements - and a few who advance a contrary viewk off troll. Have you met him? I've met hundreds of officers in my time; some good, some bad, some unbelievably crap, and he was excellent - regardless of his position within the Royals. If you regard showing respect for a decent bloke as forelock-tugging then you need to get a life.Have you considered anger management counselling?
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