Stabbing, Oxford Street

[davepoth]

Getragdogleg said:

Absolutely agree, the problem is the way the scard white people wring their hands and skirt around the issue, spending money to open support centres and skate parks for these youth, they moan that they are picked on by the Police and that is why they rioted in the summer.
NO, you are all fking feral s, you all need to realise that in a civilised society we don't all go round knifing other people, we buy things with money earned not all meet up at foot locker and nick what we want.

I realise the next bit of this post will be viewed as racist but here goes:

The ringleaders are mostly black, they may well be born here, they may well be classed as English just like me but they are emulating a culture that does not fit here or belong here.

The solution is to actually have a justice system that can deal with these wkers properly and not give them asbos and holidays. The police do a good job of rounding these tosspots up but it all fails when the liberal policies of the justice system gets involved.

It's not a black issue - That's like saying English White people are exactly the same as French White people, which is insulting.

There is a huge number of ethnic groups across London, and a lot of them have their own gangs. But the fights are rarely about race, but as appears to be the case here, trainers.

[Buff Mchugelarge]

davepoth said:

It's not a black issue - That's like saying English White people are exactly the same as French White people, which is insulting.

There is a huge number of ethnic groups across London, and a lot of them have their own gangs. But the fights are rarely about race, but as appears to be the case here, trainers.

yeah.. Trainers are more important. innit.

[essexplumber]

sday12 said:

Sad bunch of s you really are.

Why? Have you grown up in inner city Britain? If yes then tell us your views from your own experiences. If no then just give us your opinion, dont be offensive though.

[essexplumber]

davepoth said:

It's not a black issue - That's like saying English White people are exactly the same as French White people, which is insulting.

There is a huge number of ethnic groups across London, and a lot of them have their own gangs. But the fights are rarely about race, but as appears to be the case here, trainers.

Thing is though if there hadn't been such an open door policy on immigration the problem may not have reached this stage.

Call me racist if you wish. In my classes at school (primary & senior) there were maybe 3-4 children from ethnic backgrounds, my brother who is 10 years younger went to the same schools. In his classes there were only 5-8 white kids.

That sort of wholesale change in 10 years cannot be a good thing.

[audidoody]

jains15 said:

There's so many, I can't keep up!

Shirley not.


ETA: it seems the victim was Somali. Without making any general and unsubstantiated racial slurs, they tend to kill each other with more frequency than other ethnic groups. I believe it is a byproduct of what is known as "multiculturalism".

Edited by audidoody on Tuesday 27th December 11:18

[paddyhasneeds]

davepoth said:

It's not a black issue - That's like saying English White people are exactly the same as French White people, which is insulting.

Thing is Dave, as an average news reader/watcher, I don't claim to know the reasons behind it all, I just know that 9/10 times when I read about someone being stabbed to death in London I could put money on it that it isn't going to turn out that Harry Jenkins stabbed Jack Smith, it's going to be Osiwe Yumbego stabbed Epiweh Mbegwe.

It's difficult not to draw a conclusion from that, which is that it's predominantly black people doing this to other black people, though I completely accept race may not be the underlying reasons for it.

[nelly1]

Buff Mchugelarge said:

davepoth said:

It's not a black issue - That's like saying English White people are exactly the same as French White people, which is insulting.

There is a huge number of ethnic groups across London, and a lot of them have their own gangs. But the fights are rarely about race, but as appears to be the case here, trainers.

yeah.. Trainers are more important. innit.

It would appear so...

[Victor McDade]

Well they've arrested someone over the Manchester shooting. If the facts reported are true then what a mindless murder it was. The victim was a guest in our country yet will now go home in a body bag.

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/c...

[Hoofy]

Victor McDade said:

Well they've arrested someone over the Manchester shooting. If the facts reported are true then what a mindless murder it was. The victim was a guest in our country yet will now go home in a body bag.

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/c...

Well, that definitely is a waste. Post-grad student. No doubt the attacker will enjoy free food and accommodation.

[Apache]

paddyhasneeds said:

davepoth said:

It's not a black issue - That's like saying English White people are exactly the same as French White people, which is insulting.

Thing is Dave, as an average news reader/watcher, I don't claim to know the reasons behind it all, I just know that 9/10 times when I read about someone being stabbed to death in London I could put money on it that it isn't going to turn out that Harry Jenkins stabbed Jack Smith, it's going to be Osiwe Yumbego stabbed Epiweh Mbegwe.

It's difficult not to draw a conclusion from that, which is that it's predominantly black people doing this to other black people, though I completely accept race may not be the underlying reasons for it.

plenty of info out there, about 50% apparently

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-239...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1583644/Met...

[paddyhasneeds]

Apache said:

plenty of info out there, about 50% apparently

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-239...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1583644/Met...

That's all murders though isn't it? I'd assumed, maybe wrongly, that if you were to just look at gang/knife/gun murders that the numbers will be different.

[Apache]

paddyhasneeds said:

Apache said:

plenty of info out there, about 50% apparently

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-239...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1583644/Met...

That's all murders though isn't it? I'd assumed, maybe wrongly, that if you were to just look at gang/knife/gun murders that the numbers will be different.

good point, I'll have a rummage

[dudleybloke]

on the plus side is theres one less gang-member now!

[R1gtr]

I read the headline and thought that some poor innocent hardworking citizen who may have been out to try and get a bargain in these tough times had been stabbed, however after hearing the full story I realised that this was a good news story, scum killing scum, happy days.
This is not a colour issue here, the guy could have been white/black/yellow I dont care, I care that these scummy gangs were out planning to rob and things went a bit bad.
No great loss, will be surprised if there is anythting good to say about the victim.
It is a sad state of affairs that this happens anywhere but at least its one less scumbag I dont have to contribute too.

[Buff Mchugelarge]

To be fair..
Alot of these kids are trying to be someone else they think is cool.
I went into Worthing a few weeks back and saw/heard some young kids (early teens?) in McDonalds.
These kids were talking like 'gangsters', refering to each other as 'blud' and 'brudder' with lots of 'innits' etc. I laughed at them and carried on and they didn't even stab me.
Now, Worthing is a little town by the sea full of old people. It can get a bit 'funky' on a Friday/Saturday night but no more than any other town. These kids are the first to tell you of thier gangs and troubles and how they have to carry knives 'to be safe'. Half of these kids then go back to thier nice semi detached house and play on thier PS3 all night, bought for them by thier mummy and daddy. Being in a gang, being 'the bad man' is seen as a fashionable thing and its not just the poorer council estates that its affecting.
All the kids are running around bleating on about 'Respect', just like their heroes in the US. They carry on like they're in the ghettos in the US, when in fact they're outside a job center in the rain, exclaiming how hard done by they are, as they sign on for another week to pay for their weed.
Once again. This country makes me cringe.

[SmoothCriminal]

Another "ghetto" stabbing and in a footlocker, you couldn't make it up

[essexplumber]

Buff Mchugelarge said:

To be fair..
Alot of these kids are trying to be someone else they think is cool.
I went into Worthing a few weeks back and saw/heard some young kids (early teens?) in McDonalds.
These kids were talking like 'gangsters', refering to each other as 'blud' and 'brudder' with lots of 'innits' etc. I laughed at them and carried on and they didn't even stab me.
Now, Worthing is a little town by the sea full of old people. It can get a bit 'funky' on a Friday/Saturday night but no more than any other town. These kids are the first to tell you of thier gangs and troubles and how they have to carry knives 'to be safe'. Half of these kids then go back to thier nice semi detached house and play on thier PS3 all night, bought for them by thier mummy and daddy. Being in a gang, being 'the bad man' is seen as a fashionable thing and its not just the poorer council estates that its affecting.
All the kids are running around bleating on about 'Respect', just like their heroes in the US. They carry on like they're in the ghettos in the US, when in fact they're outside a job center in the rain, exclaiming how hard done by they are, as they sign on for another week to pay for their weed.
Once again. This country makes me cringe.

I think that perfectly sums up how many people feel. I also sometimes think that the gang problem in London and other citys has a very solid connection to music.

When I lived in Hackney some of the boys I knew on estates would talk about how being part of a gang helps to platform rappers/MC's/DJ's etc.

It was the same culture that bred some of the biggest Hip Hop artists around today. The scariest thing about it all is that it has gone too far to change.

[Bing o]

You're forgetting all of the positive aspects of mass immigration that we're outlined in Labour's manifesto in 1997.

[Bing o]

You're forgetting all of the positive aspects of mass immigration that were outlined in Labour's manifesto in 1997.

[essexplumber]

Bing o said:

You're forgetting all of the positive aspects of mass immigration that we're outlined in Labour's manifesto in 1997.

There have been some, but the negatives massively outweigh the positives.