What's wrong with Britain 2012

[powerstroke]

thinfourth2 said:

Whats wrong

Too many daily mail readers and the we are all doomed attitude

Too many hand wringing leftys more like, maybe the mail is sensationlist
and exagerrates but if we just bury our heads in the sand then what??
I seriously think the EU is the baddy and out of it would help us
hold our politcians to account, once they no longer had the EU rules,
directives, and laws to hide behind

[turbobloke]

powerstroke said:

thinfourth2 said:

Whats wrong

Too many daily mail readers and the we are all doomed attitude

Too many hand wringing leftys more like

Definitely a more pressing problem.

[Soir]

Have prisoners pay for themselves (like the US do..production of items)

[Vytalis]

Soir said:

Have prisoners pay for themselves (like the US do..production of items)

This (and other points) are being slowly addressed. 'Payment by results' will reduce perverse incentives (the situation where poorly thought out targets produce thin intended behaviours). Universal credit should make work viable for more in 2013. Most prisoners by 2013 will be on a 40 hour working week.

The trick is now to find the niches that this changed regime allows to stimulate the economy and provide a skilled labour-force that can supply the growth industries.

[Engineer1]

So prisoners become slave labour, one family member in prison means you end up moving house and probably school as well.

The biggest thing this country needs is to put the welfare state back to a safety net for the contributors and not a life style decision for the underclass. Why should the underclass have it safer than a working family when hard times hit and incomes are cut? It rips the piss that JSA doesn't pay if your spouse is in full time work, but it will if you live with parents or in a house share.

[shauniebabes]

To show putting lots of people in prison reduces crime rates you should quote a country that has both:

a) lots of people in prison

b) low crime rates

The US leads the World in putting people in prison but its serious crime rates are terrible.

[nelly1]

shauniebabes said:

To show putting lots of people in prison reduces crime rates you should quote a country that has both:

a) lots of people in prison

b) low crime rates

The US leads the World in putting people in prison but its serious crime rates are terrible.

Whereas Singapore...

[oyster]

Soir said:

Have prisoners pay for themselves (like the US do..production of items)

And as a result is the US a crime-free place?

Hmmmmm.....

[fildigger]

Regarding the crime rate and prisons...Prevention is better than the cure as they say!....We need to educate the citizens of this country to a far better standard and create far more cohesive & sociable communities.

This country has no direction with a multitude of people of all cultures not really belonging or subscribing to any particular way of thinking...so we all build our own little enclaves and become very selfish to our own cause and ultimately become very secular.

Broken Britain?...well, not quite but it's getting there!.......Please someone give this country it's identity back and make us all feel 'Relevant'...makes us feel we 'Belong'

[Derek Smith]

fildigger said:

Regarding the crime rate and prisons...Prevention is better than the cure as they say!....We need to educate the citizens of this country to a far better standard and create far more cohesive & sociable communities.

This country has no direction with a multitude of people of all cultures not really belonging or subscribing to any particular way of thinking...so we all build our own little enclaves and become very selfish to our own cause and ultimately become very secular.

Broken Britain?...well, not quite but it's getting there!.......Please someone give this country it's identity back and make us all feel 'Relevant'...makes us feel we 'Belong'

The lowest crime rates in this country were when men were virtually fully employed. The reasons for this are open to argument although need doesn't seem to be that relevant.

There does seem to be a relationship with the gap between rich and poor. It is statistical so there might well be another cause.

[SpeedMattersNot]

Why do people think that the families who are jobless, have 7 kids and receive £60k a year in benefits are doing so for a better life for themselves? As if they're normal functioning people that think like anyone of us on here?

I know of a family in my extended family circle who fits into this catagorie. Is someone suggesting, that they bred because they knew they would get a multi-bedroom house and given benefits? It's incredible what people believe...

It wouldn't matter if this particular family were living in the UK, or in Africa in starving shanty towns. They would have still reproduced at this rate...

It's unfortunately a lack of intelligence that creates this. Education can only be so good for these people...they're completely harmless and anyone who resents them for living this life I hope never has the unfortunate experience of having a disabled child.

How can this be the personal top hate of our country, from people on this forum who are clearly pretending to be sophisticated?

I actually feel proud that in the country I live in, even the people who are worse off, still have running water, heating and access to free healthcare and education.

[Getragdogleg]

The only things missing off your list is the inclusion of a set of policies to leave the good people alone and stop using them as a cash cow, stop making up petty regulation that are easy to infringe, stop fining us for failing to do paperwork (Sorn and WTD i am looking at you) and reward our labours with us being able to keep more of our money, we will in turn spend more and spread it about, This ought not be too hard since we won't have such a huge social security bill once the reforms in the OP are complete.

[Techn0]

In times gone by the poor and or less educated members of society worked in low paid jobs and just got on with it.

Now everyone wants to have the flash lifestyle but cant or wont work for it.

Like some bullst sense of entitlement.

There is a lack of trainee/intern roles available for the proles which doesn't help

[highway]

Its all cool and the gang to have 7 kids (as in the above example) IF YOU are paying for them yourself. Why should I or anyone else pay for someone elses children?

If you cant afford them dont have them. We stopped at one for that reason.

[SpeedMattersNot]

highway said:

Its all cool and the gang to have 7 kids (as in the above example) IF YOU are paying for them yourself. Why should I or anyone else pay for someone elses children?

If you cant afford them dont have them. We stopped at one for that reason.

Without going into details about said family, what do you suggest people who arn't as intelligent as you do?

[highway]

How about dont keep churning out kids if YOU cant support them?

[robsa]

Disco_Dale said:

highway said:

I've worked with kids in some south London secondaries. One bad kiddie in a class of 30 can be all it takes to nuke the chances of the others around him.

I'd say that scenario is more a failing of the teacher and possibly the headteacher/LEA to allow it to happen.

And I think many would believe that, but as a trainee teacher I can tell you that Highway is 100% correct - even Mike Tyson would be told to 'do one' by many pupils. Managing the modern classroom is very hard as you have no rights really. The worst threat you can mete out is to have a pupil taken by an 'on call' senior teacher. This does not always happen as there isn't a teacher available. Even if there is, they will simply either end up on a report or perhaps spend a day in 'isolation'. And we are told these days to never criticise a pupil - only to praise them. Pupils don't do badly any more, they could just 'do even better'.

It's not because the kids are any worse than they ever have been - let's get that straight - although discipline is a problem. My school is full of lovely kids, but they love to chatter and mess about (like kids do) and it's very very hard to deal with. They just think its all a big game, as they know that nothing really happens and they receive no discipline at home, often as there is no father. Totally different to my secondary where we had the cane and an absolutely brilliant - but terrifying - head. Discipline was total and our school was the best in the area by far And no I haven't been mentally scarred by him either.

And its true that a single pupils can fudge half a class as well.

You CAN handle many classes and get them to behave - but its very very hard. It's the single biggest problem I have as a trainee.

[SpeedMattersNot]

highway said:

How about dont keep churning out kids if YOU cant support them?

What if people arn't intelligent enough to understand this?

Does the lack of financial support equate to low reproductivity of the poorest countries? I bet it does not! (though am willing to be proven wrong)

What do you do with a child in this country, who had a father that run away and a mother who wasn't capable of looking after her children?

Let me ask you this, is it because you are A : clever that you chose not to have more children, or is it because you are B : retarded.

If it is because of A then we need to work on making less of B!

If it is because of B then we disagree on this matter.

[Skipppy]

There's too many people living here.

[bucksmanuk]

What’s wrong?
Lack of discipline and respect...
My 2 youngest nephews went to a school (11-16) which had a head master who ran it just like an old fashioned grammar school. A BIG push on discipline and respect for your fellow pupils was paramount, as well as Duke of Edinburgh schemes and such like. The school went from "average" to "excellent" in a matter of 6 years. There was a big waiting list to get boys into the school for each year. Needless to say some other school somewhere else got the magic chequebook out and enticed him away.
New pinko faggot liberal head master appears, with a larger budget for improvement than the previous guy had, and he is the usual wishy washy "let the boys be our friends" sort, and "Duke of Edinburgh schemes aren't really today". 4 years later the school is now "unsatisfactory" and is being watched by the LEA. Nothing else has changed in the school except the head and his new approach.

So this toss pot and his right-on thinking has taken a school from excellent to unsatisfactory in 4 years. He must be so proud of himself.