Rape Gang - How'd they get away with it for so long?
Discussion
Mermaid said:
We will be waiting a long long time for that. Is this abuse more about sex than religion?
Personally, I believe a significant element is the fact that, for some time, these acts went (largely) unhindered, due to idealogical and political influence of the police. I've yet to hear of an 'official' religious motivation, but that does not necessarily mean that religion has not been twisted and convoluted to influence individuals.Mermaid said:
We will be waiting a long long time for that. Is this abuse more about sex than religion?
IMHO I think the two go hand in hand.Their whole lifestyle, attitudes and values are governed by their religion which enables them to view certain people as worth less and fair game.
again just MHO.
Digga said:
Personally, I believe a significant element is the fact that, for some time, these acts went (largely) unhindered, due to idealogical and political influence of the police.
I think this is spot on. And I suspect that there are a LOT more cases like this to come out yet. odyssey2200 said:
Their whole lifestyle, attitudes and values are governed by their religion which enables them to view certain people as worth less and fair game.
again just MHO.
I think it's a variety of things. I think that the fact that their religion is male-dominated allows the very primitive instincts of male members of their society to come to the fore. I think that political correctness has meant that the law hasn't been allowed to prevent such behaviour, and wider societal taboos are not as in place in immigrant communities as they would be for the same people back in their home country. again just MHO.
Raping 12 year olds was probably common place in the UK a few thousand years ago, but religious and cultural factors meant that we progressed as we became more civilised. The wide-scale import and tolerance of behaviour of people from much more primitive societies has meant that we are seeing behaviour that died out here long, long ago.
As has been said though, just MHO.
Oli.
Rochdale again,
Former Det Con Margaret Oliver was the witness manager assigned to Tessa and another girl, Chelsea (not her real name).
She spent four months getting to know the girls, hearing their stories and encouraging them to give evidence to the police.
She was told the girls were vital for the police's investigation.
When she learned the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) had decided not to call Tessa as a witness, she says she felt ashamed of her part in a process that won the girls' trust only to betray it.
Unlike Tessa, Chelsea was used as a witness in the trial, but only in relation to one charge against one man.
However, between them the two girls had described abuse by about 20 men.
Some of them were prosecuted and convicted but others were not.
"I feel that had the full facts been heard from the girls, we would have got heavier sentences and there wouldn't be offenders still walking the streets of Rochdale," Mrs Oliver said.
She resigned from her job because she says did not get the reassurances she wanted about how vulnerable witnesses would be treated in the future.
Margaret Oliver: "Men are still walking around Rochdale that these girls named as offenders"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21925205
Former Det Con Margaret Oliver was the witness manager assigned to Tessa and another girl, Chelsea (not her real name).
She spent four months getting to know the girls, hearing their stories and encouraging them to give evidence to the police.
She was told the girls were vital for the police's investigation.
When she learned the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) had decided not to call Tessa as a witness, she says she felt ashamed of her part in a process that won the girls' trust only to betray it.
Unlike Tessa, Chelsea was used as a witness in the trial, but only in relation to one charge against one man.
However, between them the two girls had described abuse by about 20 men.
Some of them were prosecuted and convicted but others were not.
"I feel that had the full facts been heard from the girls, we would have got heavier sentences and there wouldn't be offenders still walking the streets of Rochdale," Mrs Oliver said.
She resigned from her job because she says did not get the reassurances she wanted about how vulnerable witnesses would be treated in the future.
Margaret Oliver: "Men are still walking around Rochdale that these girls named as offenders"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21925205
Three men who abducted a vulnerable 13-year-old girl from the streets of London and forced her to become their sex slave have been jailed.
The girl, who was described as being from a broken and troubled family, was subjected to sexual abuse over four days after being persuaded to travel with the men to Ipswich in Suffolk in July last year.
Mohammed Sheikh, Hamza Ali and Suran Uddin were all convicted of trafficking and sex offences following a trial.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2315224/Ip...
The girl, who was described as being from a broken and troubled family, was subjected to sexual abuse over four days after being persuaded to travel with the men to Ipswich in Suffolk in July last year.
Mohammed Sheikh, Hamza Ali and Suran Uddin were all convicted of trafficking and sex offences following a trial.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2315224/Ip...
article said:
Mitigating for Uddin, Scott Ivill said his client was married with two children, aged eight and one, and any custodial sentence would cause his family to suffer.
Lindsay Cox, for Ali, said his client was also a married man.
Well they shouldn't go round raping 13 year old girls; how would they like it if it was one of their children. fLindsay Cox, for Ali, said his client was also a married man.
kers.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2313610/...
'I was stolen by a sex gang': Katie Taylor was drugged and raped for two years - and endured pregnancy and abortion - after being abducted by a predatory gang aged 13
'I was stolen by a sex gang': Katie Taylor was drugged and raped for two years - and endured pregnancy and abortion - after being abducted by a predatory gang aged 13
Pesty said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2313610/...
'I was stolen by a sex gang': Katie Taylor was drugged and raped for two years - and endured pregnancy and abortion - after being abducted by a predatory gang aged 13
Common theme (of the victims) is broken homes / vulnerable children.'I was stolen by a sex gang': Katie Taylor was drugged and raped for two years - and endured pregnancy and abortion - after being abducted by a predatory gang aged 13
vonuber said:
Pesty said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2313610/...
'I was stolen by a sex gang': Katie Taylor was drugged and raped for two years - and endured pregnancy and abortion - after being abducted by a predatory gang aged 13
Common theme (of the victims) is broken homes / vulnerable children.'I was stolen by a sex gang': Katie Taylor was drugged and raped for two years - and endured pregnancy and abortion - after being abducted by a predatory gang aged 13
Mermaid said:
If we all write to our MP's about this, maybe, maybe things will change.
We are barely allowed to state the fking obvious. Any mention of racial targetting has been kept out of the mainstream press. And we are not the only country doing this.This might, maybe, maybe change if a nice girl with wealthy Islington parents gets raped. Until then, fat chance.
grumbledoak said:
Mermaid said:
If we all write to our MP's about this, maybe, maybe things will change.
We are barely allowed to state the fking obvious. Any mention of racial targetting has been kept out of the mainstream press. And we are not the only country doing this.This might, maybe, maybe change if a nice girl with wealthy Islington parents gets raped. Until then, fat chance.
Telford now:
The Telford Star said:
Youth workers first raised the alarm when teenage girls in Wellington, some as young as 13, started telling them the same stories about men they were seeing.
The subsequent police investigation, dubbed Operation Chalice, revealed details of a network of men from the Muslim community who targeted young and vulnerable teenage girls.
After West Mercia Police’s investigation into suspected under-age sex and child prostitution, seven men were finally convicted in cases stretching over two years
...
The leading players in the abuse were brothers, Ahdel and Mubarek Ali, of Regent Street, Wellington, who received long jail sentences after an eight-week trial.
Ahdel Ali, 25, known as Eddie, was given a 26-year extended sentence – 18 years’ immediate custody with an additional eight-year period on licence after release.
His 29-year-old brother, Mubarek Ali, known as Max, was given 22 years, 14 years’ immediate custody and eight years on licence, for seven offences – four of controlling child prostitution, causing child prostitution and two offences of trafficking in the UK for the purpose of prostitution, involving two of the victims. Both men were made the subject of lifelong Sexual Offences Prevention Orders.
Also convicted were Mohammed Ali Sultan, 26, of Victoria Avenue, Wellington; Tanveer Ahmed, 40, of Urban Gardens, Wellington; Mohammed Islam Choudhrey, 53, of Solway Drive, Sutton Hill; Mahroof Khan, 35, of Caradoc Flats, Kingshaye Road, Wellington, and Mohammed Younis, 60, of Kingsland, Arleston.
http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/crime/2013/05/10/horror-of-telford-girls-sex-abuse-ordeal/The subsequent police investigation, dubbed Operation Chalice, revealed details of a network of men from the Muslim community who targeted young and vulnerable teenage girls.
After West Mercia Police’s investigation into suspected under-age sex and child prostitution, seven men were finally convicted in cases stretching over two years
...
The leading players in the abuse were brothers, Ahdel and Mubarek Ali, of Regent Street, Wellington, who received long jail sentences after an eight-week trial.
Ahdel Ali, 25, known as Eddie, was given a 26-year extended sentence – 18 years’ immediate custody with an additional eight-year period on licence after release.
His 29-year-old brother, Mubarek Ali, known as Max, was given 22 years, 14 years’ immediate custody and eight years on licence, for seven offences – four of controlling child prostitution, causing child prostitution and two offences of trafficking in the UK for the purpose of prostitution, involving two of the victims. Both men were made the subject of lifelong Sexual Offences Prevention Orders.
Also convicted were Mohammed Ali Sultan, 26, of Victoria Avenue, Wellington; Tanveer Ahmed, 40, of Urban Gardens, Wellington; Mohammed Islam Choudhrey, 53, of Solway Drive, Sutton Hill; Mahroof Khan, 35, of Caradoc Flats, Kingshaye Road, Wellington, and Mohammed Younis, 60, of Kingsland, Arleston.
grumbledoak said:
Mermaid said:
If we all write to our MP's about this, maybe, maybe things will change.
We are barely allowed to state the fking obvious. Any mention of racial targetting has been kept out of the mainstream press. And we are not the only country doing this.This might, maybe, maybe change if a nice girl with wealthy Islington parents gets raped. Until then, fat chance.
pp
Pickled Piper said:
The last BBC radio report that I heard, specifically termed the perpetrators in this most recent case as "men of Pakistani origin".
pp
Yes, I too caught a snippet of the BBC "news" (propaganda), possibly the same one, and was interested to hear they (finally) admit a very specific geographic origin for the perpetrators.pp
I think the fact any of the recent opffenders escaped custodial sentences is poor and sends totally the wrong message. It could set an unfortunate precedent for future plea bargaining.
anonymous said:
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Political pressure on immigration police and social workers was not inconsiderable in these cases. Retrospecively, this is clear.anonymous said:
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There are elements of blame that can be levelled not only at the immigrant communities, but also education and social workers, which have allowed encloaves of the UK to deteriorate into Backwardistan ghettos. Immigration without integration - a.k.a. multi-culturalism nu Labour-style - has been seen to have failed.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff