Rape Gang - How'd they get away with it for so long?

[Countdown]

M@verick said:

I think you've taken Countdown out of context there - I read his post as saying "the perpetrators of this crime are known as scum by the wider muslim community", and then hypothesising that "this is how said scum might think" - rather than him saying this is how the wider muslim community itself thinks.

Thanks - yes that is what I meant.

M@verick said:

However - I agree, the only way this sort of problem can be policed is from within, and if the wider muslim community know said perpetrator to be scum as described and see strange goings on - that's the sort of thing that should be being reported or dealt with internally - preferably harshly, *before* it becomes a crime of this magnitude.

I'd be happy to do so but again I'm not sure why muslims have any better an idea about who the paedophiles are within "their" community than the English do about theirs. I keep repeating this - these perverts know that it's wrong and they hide it from the wider world, just like any other criminal. How many years had the child abuse by catholic priests been going on before it was exposed? Do you think the wider catholic community knew what was going on ?

[Countdown]

andymadmak said:

Understood. You appear to know who the bad eggs are, but you choose not to mix with them.

I have a suspicion of who the scum are. But I have no idea what they're up to, wether it's drugs, grooming, VAT fraud.

andymadmak said:

Although, surely seeing a fat 40 year old "scum" with a drugged up 12 year old girlfriend ought to have rung a few alarm bells regardless?

It would. If that ever happened. From what I understand the girls were initially chatted up by boys roughly their own age, with flash cars, who plied them with drugs and booze.

andymadmak said:

Ahh, so the attitude is racist then. A racist stereotype is applied to white girls and that justifies their treatment in the eyes of the community. All white girls sleep around eh?

Absolutely. Racism isn't unique to any particular community and those people who did know what was going on may have justified it because of their racist views about white women. A flip side of the coin is people assuming that this crime is due to race/religion, not because it is but because that satisfies their particular prejudice.

andymadmak said:

But it's ok to rape little white girls cos they all have boyfriends and sleep around before marriage is what you are saying your community thinks.. Breath taking hypocrisy!

I've not suggested anything which even comes near this. You've taken what I've said and decided to extrapolate it to an extreme.

andymadmak said:

Soooooo... it's assumed that 50 year old guys would have 12 year old girlfriends is it? No credibility!

You might want to do a bit more reading about how these girls were trapped and coerced into what they were doing. It was by young men a lot closer to their own age. It wasn't by 50 year old guys.

andymadmak said:

We are not talking about "lone wolf" attackers (as Saville et al appear to have been) but rather organised groups and gangs, who had links to other gangs and groups in cities across the UK. Your blase dismissal of the conspiracy of silence shown by the community towards these offences is horrific.

From what I've read about the Saville case it appears there were several people within his circle who were well aware of what was going on. In the Saville thread on PH one poster got slated for suggesting that Saville wasn't the star he was made out to be (this was before the news broke) so it's clear that people knew, but for whatever reason chose not to go to the Police. Similarly the RC priests weren't lone wolf but (in your words) an organised group.

None of what I've said above detracts from the vileness of this crime. The only reason I'm posting it is that vile individuals and groups are not unique to any one section of society.

[Pesty]

Countdown said:

I'm sure their nearest and dearest know exactly what they're up to. But they have no interest in reporting them. Why this is assumed to be something special to the asian community I've no idea. As a member of the white community do you know ALL the white criminals in your area (in sufficient detail to report them to the Police?. Do you think the majority of black people know who the black criminals are?

Interesting question.

I can say that when I was a kid I was brought up on a stty council estate. everybody knew who the dick heads where including the police. especially since the worst ones were moved there anyway by the council because they caused too much agro somewhere else.

I imagine that in places like london the black community do know who the gang members etc etc etc are but again is there any point in saying Jamal just bought a pair of trainers for £200 and he aint got no job.

I would say the same of the community in Bradford. If you grow up in those areas you must get a feeling for those people who are dodgy.

Would I report a drug dealer? probably not if you live there its probably a very bad thing to do, paedo rings yes. I avoided people like that then and thankfully now I don't have to go anywhere near worlds like that.

I find it very hard to believe given the sheer numbers of people are involved in this in every city and town in the UK(quote from Dr bernados 5 or so years ago) that it didn't get out what was going on. Then again if people thought in a similar way that because these girls dressed like slags they deserved what they got why would they report it? Id like to think they would but experience tells me I cant be sure.

Then again SY police actively ignored it for over ten years so maybe it was being reported by people in those comunities.

Edited by Pesty on Monday 13th May 20:33

[Mermaid]

Countdown said:

I'm sure their nearest and dearest know exactly what they're up to. But they have no interest in reporting them. Why this is assumed to be something special to the asian community I've no idea. As a member of the white community do you know ALL the white criminals in your area (in sufficient detail to report them to the Police?. Do you think the majority of black people know who the black criminals are?

Is the Pakistani community different to the "Asian" community?

Easy to go on the offensive and you bat well for your side, but do you believe the Pakistani Muslim community has a good image?

[andymadmak]

andymadmak said:

Although, surely seeing a fat 40 year old "scum" with a drugged up 12 year old girlfriend ought to have rung a few alarm bells regardless?

Countdown said:

it would. If that ever happened. From what I understand the girls were initially chatted up by boys roughly their own age, with flash cars, who plied them with drugs and booze.

So the community is well organised then.... the young paedos get the girls hooked, so that the old paedos can eventually get their hands on them?

andymadmak said:

Ahh, so the attitude is racist then. A racist stereotype is applied to white girls and that justifies their treatment in the eyes of the community. All white girls sleep around eh?

Countdown said:

Absolutely. Racism isn't unique to any particular community and those people who did know what was going on may have justified it because of their racist views about white women. A flip side of the coin is people assuming that this crime is due to race/religion, not because it is but because that satisfies their particular prejudice.

Are you suggesting that it is racist of me to point out ( correctly in your view) that the actions of your community was racist?
Is this how your mind works? Is this how you defend the indefensible? I must be racist because I dare to point out the racism in others? I cannot be doing that because it is correct, rather I must be doing it because I am the racist here? Stunning!

andymadmak said:

But it's ok to rape little white girls cos they all have boyfriends and sleep around before marriage is what you are saying your community thinks.. Breath taking hypocrisy!

Countdown said:

I've not suggested anything which even comes near this. You've taken what I've said and decided to extrapolate it to an extreme.

Actually that is exactly what you have said. You said that the Pakistani Muslim community think that seeing little white girls being drugged and shagged by Pakistani Muslim men is ok because "white girls all have boyfriends and sleep around before marriage.". YOUR WORDS. Firstly, not all white girls have boyfriends. Secondly not all white girls sleep around before marriage. Thirdly there are NO circumstances where the behaviour of the Pakistani Muslim community, either as rapists, or those who turn a blind eye to the abuse, or those who make mealy mouthed,desperate attempts to defend these actions is acceptable.

andymadmak said:

Soooooo... it's assumed that 50 year old guys would have 12 year old girlfriends is it? No credibility!

Countdown said:

You might want to do a bit more reading about how these girls were trapped and coerced into what they were doing. It was by young men a lot closer to their own age. It wasn't by 50 year old guys.

And you think this any sort of answer? Do you thnk it matters one jot how these girls came to be coerced? All your answer does s confirm that the community is even sicker than many suspect. You imply that Pakistani Muslim youths target young white girls and then pass them on to old Pakistani Muslims! How organised is this network? How extensive?

andymadmak said:

We are not talking about "lone wolf" attackers (as Saville et al appear to have been) but rather organised groups and gangs, who had links to other gangs and groups in cities across the UK. Your blase dismissal of the conspiracy of silence shown by the community towards these offences is horrific.

Countdown said:

From what I've read about the Saville case it appears there were several people within his circle who were well aware of what was going on. In the Saville thread on PH one poster got slated for suggesting that Saville wasn't the star he was made out to be (this was before the news broke) so it's clear that people knew, but for whatever reason chose not to go to the Police. Similarly the RC priests weren't lone wolf but (in your words) an organised group.

None of what I've said above detracts from the vileness of this crime. The only reason I'm posting it is that vile individuals and groups are not unique to any one section of society.

I have not read that Savile was part of an organised gang. The RC church has been exposed, and continues to be exposed by the catholic community- something the Pakistani Muslim community would do well to emulate ( but I won't be holding my breath. )

[Countdown]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

When you say "his community" do you mean "immediately family/close friends/neighbours" or do you mean the "asian community" in general? If the first then I agree with you, if you're suggesting the wider asian community knew that he was a drug dealer that's as ludicrous as suggesting that the entire white/black/chinese community know who all the drug dealers in "their" particular community are.

Regardless of colour - in all probability the "closer" you are to a criminal the more you know about what they are doing and the less likley you are to inform the police, either through misplaced loyalty or through self-preservation. This set of circumstances isn't unique to any particular ethnic group.

For example - "There are a huge number of white criminals. You're white. Why haven't you told the police who the criminals are? Surely this is prima facie evidence that the "white" community "looks after it's own"/condones criminality/does criminal things for religious reasons". The statement is patently ludicrous but some consider it logical/ believable when applied to the Pakistani muslim community. It's a moronic assertion.

BTW a young man in a flash car might suggest "drug dealer". What are the signs to suggest that he's a sex offender?

[Mermaid]

Countdown said:

For example - "There are a huge number of white criminals. You're white. Why haven't you told the police who the criminals are? Surely this is prima facie evidence that the "white" community "looks after it's own"/condones criminality/does criminal things for religious reasons". The statement is patently ludicrous but some consider it logical/ believable when applied to the Pakistani muslim community. It's a moronic assertion.
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Countdown, do you believe that Pakistani men have a good image? Serious question.

3 Muslim peers - Uddin, Ahmed & Warsi - wonder what their view is on this matter?

[s1962a]

Countdown said:

BTW a young man in a flash car might suggest "drug dealer". What are the signs to suggest that he's a sex offender?

I was listening to LBC today and they had a resident of new addington speaking about Stuart Hazell, and how he was always causing trouble and had been in prison before for various violent crimes. If they community knew what he was like, should they have also known that he might have been grooming a girl he subsequently murdered? If it turns out that there were instances where people might have been suspicious of his relationship with her, why didn't they come forward?

[andymadmak]

s1962a said:

Countdown said:

BTW a young man in a flash car might suggest "drug dealer". What are the signs to suggest that he's a sex offender?

I was listening to LBC today and they had a resident of new addington speaking about Stuart Hazell, and how he was always causing trouble and had been in prison before for various violent crimes. If they community knew what he was like, should they have also known that he might have been grooming a girl he subsequently murdered? If it turns out that there were instances where people might have been suspicious of his relationship with her, why didn't they come forward?

Why did you write this rubbish? Hazell was clearly a lone wolf predator. A nasty, violent man who deserves every horrible thing that he's got coming to him. Nobody is making excuses for him. Nobody has suggested that because his victim was a young white girl it was probably Ok because she would have had boyfriends and slept around before she got married....

Now compare and contrast his actions with what we are talking about on this thread.... Hazell didn't have a queue of 40 like minded blokes from his "community" lined up outside his house waiting to take turns with his victim...... He didn't transport his victim around the country to other towns and cities so that like minded individuals (that presumably knew in advance)could also have a go...... which is precisely what these GANGS of predatory Pakistani Muslim males have been doing.

Why don't you get it? There is a huge difference between the actions of lone predators like Hazell, Huntley et al and the actions of organised gangs. Gangs which operate within the community and which number dozens of men.... moreover those dozens of active men clearly know dozens and dozens of other men prepared to take a punt at a vulnerable 12 year old given half a chance without any risk of the authorities finding out!
Are you seriously suggesting that out of all these dozens of men not one of them had a wife/brother/father/mother/cousin/friend who did not know EXACTLY what was going on? I am sorry, but that beggars belief.

[s1962a]

andymadmak said:

s1962a said:

Countdown said:

BTW a young man in a flash car might suggest "drug dealer". What are the signs to suggest that he's a sex offender?

I was listening to LBC today and they had a resident of new addington speaking about Stuart Hazell, and how he was always causing trouble and had been in prison before for various violent crimes. If they community knew what he was like, should they have also known that he might have been grooming a girl he subsequently murdered? If it turns out that there were instances where people might have been suspicious of his relationship with her, why didn't they come forward?

Why did you write this rubbish? Hazell was clearly a lone wolf predator. A nasty, violent man who deserves every horrible thing that he's got coming to him. Nobody is making excuses for him. Nobody has suggested that because his victim was a young white girl it was probably Ok because she would have had boyfriends and slept around before she got married....

Now compare and contrast his actions with what we are talking about on this thread.... Hazell didn't have a queue of 40 like minded blokes from his "community" lined up outside his house waiting to take turns with his victim...... He didn't transport his victim around the country to other towns and cities so that like minded individuals (that presumably knew in advance)could also have a go...... which is precisely what these GANGS of predatory Pakistani Muslim males have been doing.

Why don't you get it? There is a huge difference between the actions of lone predators like Hazell, Huntley et al and the actions of organised gangs. Gangs which operate within the community and which number dozens of men.... moreover those dozens of active men clearly know dozens and dozens of other men prepared to take a punt at a vulnerable 12 year old given half a chance without any risk of the authorities finding out!
Are you seriously suggesting that out of all these dozens of men not one of them had a wife/brother/father/mother/cousin/friend who did not know EXACTLY what was going on? I am sorry, but that beggars belief.

Context, my man. The context I was using above is that if the community knows or suspects something is up, why don't they report it? Whether it's a lone ranger or a group of men, if you know something is up, why not go to the police and tell them what is going on? The guy on the LBC report this morning spoke quite confidently about their past dealings with Stuart Hazell, and if they or the mother/grandmother knew about the grooming, why did they let it continue? Contrast this with a family member of the rape gang knowing - why didn't they go to the police?

[Pesty]

s1962a said:

Contrast this with a family member of the rape gang knowing - why didn't they go to the police?

Some did. They were told they could do nothing. The police ignored this for 20 years in Lancashire, it was know about and talked about at council meetings there that long ago.

They even charged people who brought it up for inciting racial hatred. In South Yorkshire they ignored it. Families have been on tv saying they went to the police and were ignored.

[s1962a]

Pesty said:

s1962a said:

Contrast this with a family member of the rape gang knowing - why didn't they go to the police?

Some did. They were told they could do nothing. The police ignored this for 20 years in Lancashire, it was know about and talked about at council meetings there that long ago.

They even charged people who brought it up for inciting racial hatred. In South Yorkshire they ignored it. Families have been on tv saying they went to the police and were ignored.

See, this is ridiculous. How could the police not do anything if this was brought to their attention? Have they said why they ignored it?

[andymadmak]

s1962a said:

Context, my man. The context I was using above is that if the community knows or suspects something is up, why don't they report it? Whether it's a lone ranger or a group of men, if you know something is up, why not go to the police and tell them what is going on? The guy on the LBC report this morning spoke quite confidently about their past dealings with Stuart Hazell, and if they or the mother/grandmother knew about the grooming, why did they let it continue? Contrast this with a family member of the rape gang knowing - why didn't they go to the police?

Riiight, you're going to persist with this nonsensical defence...
OK. I will make it simple for you. Hazell had lots of form for violence and similar crime.Hazell had previous convictions stretching back 22 years for offences including drug dealing, racially aggravated common assault, burglary and causing grievous bodily harm. That is what his community knew him for. If he had urges for his victim then he clearly kept them to himself. When he attacked his victim he did it alone.
The community turned out to look for the girl. She was found in the loft of her grand mothers house.. The police are satisfied that grand mother knew nothing. After all, granny could hardly play this "is it coz I is Asian" card in her defence could she? If the police had anything on her she would have been prosecuted also. Sentencing Hazell today Judge Justice Nicol said he could not be sure the motive for the murder was sexual or that it was pre-meditated.
So, Hazell acted alone, in secret. A known nasty man yes, but no one thought he was a nonce till this incident.

Now in a paedophile gang you will probably have some examples where the behaviour of individual members is genuinely hidden from other family members. But dozens of men, acting together, with multiple victims over an extended period?
They all hid their predilictions from their familes and friends 100%? Not one person outside the group knew or was even suspicious? Even when middle aged men were queing up to fk a 12 year old girl, no one was in the least bit perturbed or curious? Seeing drugged up 12 year olds being taken upstairs for hours at a time raised no alarm bells whatsoever? The community thinks this is entirely normal, reasonable behaviour does it? Context my arse.


Edited to add, this comment from Christine Bicknell, Tia Sharp's Grandmother - you know, the one you're insisting should have known about Hazell....

article in Daily Mirror said:

Christine insists Tia and Hazell enjoyed a close and loving relationship.

She said: “I could just tell from Tia’s behaviour that she adored him. It was his choice to let Tia call him grandad.”

Christine said Tia was not afraid to speak her mind.

She added: “If Stuart had ever tried any sexual advances on her, she would have said so... she’d have given him hell and come to me.

“I am convinced nothing had ever happened until the night he killed her.

"It was a one-off thing, I’m sure. And that’s not me trying to assuage my guilt.

“He treated Tia like his own grandchild. How could I ever have known what he was really thinking?”

So nothing like the gangs at all then.........

Edited by andymadmak on Tuesday 14th May 11:16

[longblackcoat]

andymadmak said:

Riiight, you're going to persist with this nonsensical defence...
OK. I will make it simple for you. Hazell had lots of form for violence and similar crime.Hazell had previous convictions stretching back 22 years for offences including drug dealing, racially aggravated common assault, burglary and causing grievous bodily harm. That is what his community knew him for. If he had urges for his victim then he clearly kept them to himself. When he attacked his victim he did it alone.
The community turned out to look for the girl. She was found in the loft of her grand mothers house.. The police are satisfied that grand mother knew nothing. After all, granny could hardly play this "is it coz I is Asian" card in her defence could she? If the police had anything on her she would have been prosecuted also. Sentencing Hazell today Judge Justice Nicol said he could not be sure the motive for the murder was sexual or that it was pre-meditated.
So, Hazell acted alone, in secret. A known nasty man yes, but no one thought he was a nonce till this incident.

Now in a paedophile gang you will probably have some examples where the behaviour of individual members is genuinely hidden from other family members. But dozens of men, acting together, with multiple victims over an extended period?
They all hid their predilictions from their familes and friends 100%? Not one person outside the group knew or was even suspicious? Even when middle aged men were queing up to fk a 12 year old girl, no one was in the least bit perturbed or curious? Seeing drugged up 12 year olds being taken upstairs for hours at a time raised no alarm bells whatsoever? The community thinks this is entirely normal, reasonable behaviour does it? Context my arse.

My read of what you're saying is - and please correct me if I'm wrong - that the Muslim community (I disagree that there's a monolithic 'Muslim community, but it appears to be your view) simply closed its eyes, because these were white girls. That, in effect, Muslims as a whole don't care what happens as long as it's not to their own? This makes it hard for me to see one of your earlier comments - that you have no problems with Muslims - as credible.

I appreciate that I may be wrong, but that's how it comes across. So if I've misinterpreted you, put me straight.

For what it's worth, I agree with you that this seems to be far more organised than previously suspected, and that some people must have know what was going on. But there's a massive difference between that and the somewhat sweeping generalisation that 'Muslims' - what, all of them - knew what was going on and did nothing.

[longblackcoat]

Tonker, I quote one of Andy's comments in full below. Seems to me pretty clear that he's talking about Muslims as a whole. His conclusion, which admittedly is stated in the form of a question, seems to be that Muslims think that "on balance, taking everything into account, the white girls deserved everything they got?"

I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth.

andymadmak said:

Strange isn't it. Muslims will riot when one is arrested. They riot when someone writes a book about the Prophet. They even riot when someone draws a cartoon or two. They riot when someone says something they don't like. But when they find out that members of their community are involved in raping children, systematically, over an extended period, with groups linked from city to city, town to town, involving drugs and violence, then the streets are empty and the silence is deafening.

Should we conclude that the wider community is ashamed? Or should we conclude that the thinking in the community is that, on balance, taking everything into account, the white girls deserved everything they got?

[BliarOut]

longblackcoat said:

Tonker, I quote one of Andy's comments in full below. Seems to me pretty clear that he's talking about Muslims as a whole. His conclusion, which admittedly is stated in the form of a question, seems to be that Muslims think that "on balance, taking everything into account, the white girls deserved everything they got?"

I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth.

andymadmak said:

Strange isn't it. Muslims will riot when one is arrested. They riot when someone writes a book about the Prophet. They even riot when someone draws a cartoon or two. They riot when someone says something they don't like. But when they find out that members of their community are involved in raping children, systematically, over an extended period, with groups linked from city to city, town to town, involving drugs and violence, then the streets are empty and the silence is deafening.

Should we conclude that the wider community is ashamed? Or should we conclude that the thinking in the community is that, on balance, taking everything into account, the white girls deserved everything they got?

The view in Muslim countries seems to be that white girls are gagging for it because they wear bikinis. This comes from chatting to the locals who won't allow their daughters to travel to another city to work, there are definitely huge cultural differences.

[andymadmak]

longblackcoat said:

My read of what you're saying is - and please correct me if I'm wrong - that the Muslim community (I disagree that there's a monolithic 'Muslim community, but it appears to be your view) simply closed its eyes, because these were white girls. That, in effect, Muslims as a whole don't care what happens as long as it's not to their own? This makes it hard for me to see one of your earlier comments - that you have no problems with Muslims - as credible.

I appreciate that I may be wrong, but that's how it comes across. So if I've misinterpreted you, put me straight.

For what it's worth, I agree with you that this seems to be far more organised than previously suspected, and that some people must have know what was going on. But there's a massive difference between that and the somewhat sweeping generalisation that 'Muslims' - what, all of them - knew what was going on and did nothing.

Thanks for the question. I am angry about this issue, as you can probably tell from the tone of my posts. I don't have a personal link to any of the victims (as far as I know) but sometimes when I read the sorts of mealy mouthed, insidious comments that appear on this forum that basically seeks to deflect, neutralise or minimise or even pass the blame for what has happened onto the victims, then I find it hard to stay calm.
To answer your question, I think that the evidence was there in the community as to what these gangs were up to. I don't think everyone knew, not by a long chalk, and clearly we are talking about groups of men that perhaps the more moral majority would shun within the community anyway. BUT I do think quite a few people knew and chose to do nothing about it. I just don't believe that this was the secret underworld that some would like us to believe. There were dozens involved. Dozens. Linking up across towns and cities across the UK. Their victims were visible on streets and in cars. It is not credible to say that ONLY the bad guys knew. Some good guys had to be aware too, and they chose to do nothing.
Quite why they decided to turn a blind eye I do not know. For some maybe it was fear, for some maybe thgey were grateful that at least Ali and his pals were not after his own kids... for others maybe it was "nowt to do with me" attitiude - appalling in itself! But what has also emerged is an attitude that existed within a % (what %) of the community that these girls, these victims either deserved what they suffered, or (and this is perhaps more pertinent) were not worth saving. "White girls will have boyfriends and will have sex before marriage, and so there is nothing wrong with gang raping a white 12 year old girl"..... That is the natural extension of this attitude. Perhaps the language used is emotive? Maybe if I expressed it as:

"Well you know, these girls do wear short clothes, and lots of make up and they are out at all hours and they get themselves into these situations with the boys. Its no wonder they end up in trouble. Where were their parents? Come on, it's just the boys having some fun, and it's not as if the girls are innocent. Some will be prostitutes, at least if not now, then when they get older. These white girls might be very young, and it is a shame, by really they are all the same, and whilst Old Fat Ahmed and his bunch of pals should not be soiling themselves by having sex with these girls, it's not exactly a big deal is it, given that these girls are already worthless? "

And it's the overwhelming feeling I have that just too many people in the community are taking precisiely this kind of "rationalised view" towards the victims that makes my blood boil. For the record, my definition of too many is ONE!

Edited by andymadmak on Tuesday 14th May 12:00

[longblackcoat]

andymadmak said:

Some very useful stuff

Thanks for your response Andy - I see your points a lot more clearly now. Much to think about, though to the list of people you're angry with you should probably add the local authorities and the absent parents of the girls in question for ever letting them be in that position.

[Justayellowbadge]

longblackcoat said:

andymadmak said:

Some very useful stuff

Thanks for your response Andy - I see your points a lot more clearly now. Much to think about, though to the list of people you're angry with you should probably add the local authorities and the absent parents of the girls in question for ever letting them be in that position.

Though that is a superficially valid argument, the blame lies 100% with the perpetrators.

99.99% of the population did not gang rape these girls, regardless of the position they were in.

[longblackcoat]

Justayellowbadge said:

longblackcoat said:

andymadmak said:

Some very useful stuff

Thanks for your response Andy - I see your points a lot more clearly now. Much to think about, though to the list of people you're angry with you should probably add the local authorities and the absent parents of the girls in question for ever letting them be in that position.

Though that is a superficially valid argument, the blame lies 100% with the perpetrators.

99.99% of the population did not gang rape these girls, regardless of the position they were in.

Don't get me wrong - the perpetrators absolutely need to be imprisoned for a long time. No excuses there.

As ever, it seems to be the case that those who are meant to look out for vulnerable children fall down on the job. They certainly didn't abuse the girls, but by shrugging and doing very little they allowed it to go on for as long as it did.