"Honour" = "Racist" ?????????

[mrloudly]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/panorama/hi/front_page/newsi...

The way I see it she was killed because she didn't fit in with the family. Is the term "Honour" being used
to hide racism?

Anyone like to guess the headline were the conflict reversed?

Just to make it clear, I hate all forms of racism, I hate it even more when, IMHO, it's sheltering behind a "P.C." term!!!


Discuss

Lights touch paper and retires

[davepoth]

It's not racist really; all races can be involved.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/91499...

What it is is somewhat anti-Islamic. I've not looked into the matter but I'd be quite surprised if these killings weren't limited to a small number of Islamic sects however.

[VinceFox]

On the face of it, i'd say there are parallels between this definition of honour and racism, yes.

Prepared to hear more on it, of course.

[Funk]

It's not an 'honour' killing, it's racially-motivated murder committed by backwards savages.

[blindswelledrat]

mrloudly said:

The way I see it she was killed because she didn't fit in with the family. Is the term "Honour" being used
to hide racism?

Anyone like to guess the headline were the conflict reversed?

Just to make it clear, I hate all forms of racism, I hate it even more when, IMHO, it's sheltering behind a "P.C." term!!!

WHo actually gives a fk when the issue is murder?
I don't think anything is particularly gained by saying "Oooo, plus they are racist-the nasty people"
I once heard that Fred West hated Asians. WHat a horrible bloke

[Funk]

blindswelledrat said:

WHo actually gives a fk when the issue is murder?
I don't think anything is particularly gained by saying "Oooo, plus they are racist-the nasty people"
I once heard that Fred West hated Asians. WHat a horrible bloke

I think you're missing the point. They weren't murdered for any other reason than that they weren't able to be a 'matching effnick pair'. Being in the wrong race at the wrong time was the reason they were killed, ergo my comments about 'racially-motivated murder'.

Dressing it up with words like 'honour' is ridiculous.

[Greenwich Ross]

blindswelledrat said:

mrloudly said:

The way I see it she was killed because she didn't fit in with the family. Is the term "Honour" being used
to hide racism?

Anyone like to guess the headline were the conflict reversed?

Just to make it clear, I hate all forms of racism, I hate it even more when, IMHO, it's sheltering behind a "P.C." term!!!

WHo actually gives a fk when the issue is murder?
I don't think anything is particularly gained by saying "Oooo, plus they are racist-the nasty people"
I once heard that Fred West hated Asians. WHat a horrible bloke

Is his missus still kicking around?

[mattnunn]

I'd say it's odd.

I do wish the BBC refrain from the use of the term "honour" to describe violent criminality, it always sounds like they're excusing barbaric and sociopathic behaviour.

Gladly judges and juries are very capable of seeing these crimes for what they are, I hope these scum to rot in jail for a very long time.

[blindswelledrat]

Funk said:

blindswelledrat said:

WHo actually gives a fk when the issue is murder?
I don't think anything is particularly gained by saying "Oooo, plus they are racist-the nasty people"
I once heard that Fred West hated Asians. WHat a horrible bloke

I think you're missing the point. They weren't murdered for any other reason than that they weren't able to be a 'matching effnick pair'. Being in the wrong race at the wrong time was the reason they were killed, ergo my comments about 'racially-motivated murder'.

Dressing it up with words like 'honour' is ridiculous.

I don't disagree but my point remains. WHy teh need to attatch a label to it?
AN honour killing, a racially motivated killing, a motiveless killing, a road-rage killing. A murder is a murder.

[Boydie88]

Spot on. It appears in this day and age you can't be racist if you're ethnic 'minority'.

This story really pissed me off at the time... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2070562/Mu...

How much is exagerated by the Fail is questionable but the CCTV footage is disgusting and what would have happened if it was the other way around?

[mrloudly]

blindswelledrat said:

I don't disagree but my point remains. WHy teh need to attatch a label to it?
AN honour killing, a racially motivated killing, a motiveless killing, a road-rage killing. A murder is a murder.

So why was this deemed in the "Honour" category when it was clearly racially motivated?

We IMHO are fed this "Honour" claptrap by the media to prevent racist retaliation escalating !!

[Funk]

blindswelledrat said:

Funk said:

blindswelledrat said:

WHo actually gives a fk when the issue is murder?
I don't think anything is particularly gained by saying "Oooo, plus they are racist-the nasty people"
I once heard that Fred West hated Asians. WHat a horrible bloke

I think you're missing the point. They weren't murdered for any other reason than that they weren't able to be a 'matching effnick pair'. Being in the wrong race at the wrong time was the reason they were killed, ergo my comments about 'racially-motivated murder'.

Dressing it up with words like 'honour' is ridiculous.

I don't disagree but my point remains. WHy teh need to attatch a label to it?
AN honour killing, a racially motivated killing, a motiveless killing, a road-rage killing. A murder is a murder.

Without the racism element, there would have been no murder. What part of that are you struggling to comprehend? It's not labelling it, it's identifying the reason the murder occurred in the first place.

[blindswelledrat]

mrloudly said:

So why was this deemed in the "Honour" category when it was clearly racially motivated?

We IMHO are fed this "Honour" claptrap by the media to prevent racist retaliation escalating !!

Im not sure who "we" are, but honour killings are usually thier own and not the other race, and religion is the main motivator. Hence the specific terminology as it is a very specific crime which cannot be pigeon-holed as simply as you want it to.
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[blindswelledrat]

Funk said:

Without the racism element, there would have been no murder. What part of that are you struggling to comprehend? It's not labelling it, it's identifying the reason the murder occurred in the first place.

I don't think Im being particularly articulate here as you are clearly missing my point.
TO suggest a need to label this crime as a "racist" crime as opposed to an "Honour killing" suggest that you think the crime is somehow worse if it is 'racist'.
To me, killing your own daughter/son/cousin for such a stupid reason is so bad, the racist element of it is irrelevant.

[Shay HTFC]

Funk said:

blindswelledrat said:

WHo actually gives a fk when the issue is murder?
I don't think anything is particularly gained by saying "Oooo, plus they are racist-the nasty people"
I once heard that Fred West hated Asians. WHat a horrible bloke

I think you're missing the point. They weren't murdered for any other reason than that they weren't able to be a 'matching effnick pair'. Being in the wrong race at the wrong time was the reason they were killed, ergo my comments about 'racially-motivated murder'.

Dressing it up with words like 'honour' is ridiculous.

But 'honour' describes the reason why the killing took place.
She wasn't just some random white girl in the street who got killed. She got 'romantically' involved with an Asian family and 'shamed' them (because they are racist).
Ultimately they killed her out of shame, which is by definition an honour killing.

[Toni896]

Funk said:

It's not an 'honour' killing, it's racially-motivated murder committed by backwards savages.

Totally agree ... if the situation was reversed it would be classed as racial no questions asked ..

[Mr_B]

blindswelledrat said:

WHo actually gives a fk when the issue is murder?
I don't think anything is particularly gained by saying "Oooo, plus they are racist-the nasty people"

Doreen Lawrence says no

[dingg]

Funk said:

It's not an 'honour' killing, it's racially-motivated murder committed by backwards savages.

+1

[mrloudly]

Shay HTFC said:

But 'honour' describes the reason why the killing took place.
She wasn't just some random white girl in the street who got killed. She got 'romantically' involved with an Asian family and 'shamed' them (because they are racist).
Ultimately they killed her out of shame, which is by definition an honour killing.

So do I take it, in these politically correct days, it should be called a "Racist Honour killing" ?

Personally I think there's no honour in killing anybody, dealing with problems in an amicable manner is surely more honourable. But then I'm not bound by
some 6th century fable...

[carmonk]

Shay HTFC said:

Funk said:

blindswelledrat said:

WHo actually gives a fk when the issue is murder?
I don't think anything is particularly gained by saying "Oooo, plus they are racist-the nasty people"
I once heard that Fred West hated Asians. WHat a horrible bloke

I think you're missing the point. They weren't murdered for any other reason than that they weren't able to be a 'matching effnick pair'. Being in the wrong race at the wrong time was the reason they were killed, ergo my comments about 'racially-motivated murder'.

Dressing it up with words like 'honour' is ridiculous.

But 'honour' describes the reason why the killing took place.
She wasn't just some random white girl in the street who got killed. She got 'romantically' involved with an Asian family and 'shamed' them (because they are racist).
Ultimately they killed her out of shame, which is by definition an honour killing.

The problem is that their concept of honour has nothing to do with ours, or any civilised human. We might as well say a paedo child killer commits love crimes. As already said, these people are simply savages yet at the same time we need some label in order to categorise this very specific type of crime. I doubt any of my suggestions would be taken up, unfortunately.