UKIP PP broadcast

[chris watton]

IAmAHorse said:

Farage makes a good speech.
He seems to talk sense in the youtube vids I've seen of him speaking in the Euro parliament.

But has anyone who is planning to vote for UKIP read this?

Apparently (though well-referenced):
Links with far-right organisations, including BNP, National Front and Polish extremists?
Opposition to equal opportunities for women?
Openly homophobic?
And the belief that fossil fuels are renewable?

I know this is PH so I don't necessarily expect a sensible response, but isn't it worth looking beyond a bit of party policy before casting your vote?

I guess that if this were 500 years ago, Farage would have been branded a witch by the state - of course the peasants would have believed every word they were spoon-fed......

500 years later, and that post just doesn't it - for some perhaps, but not all...

[IAmAHorse]

chris watton said:

I guess that if this were 500 years ago, Farage would have been branded a witch by the state - of course the peasants would have believed every word they were spoon-fed......

500 years later, and that post just doesn't it - for some perhaps, but not all...

Sorry, who's believing every word their spoon-fed? Perhaps the words of a charismatic politician?

[crofty1984]

wollowizard said:

I want the fuel price stabiliser he promised aswell.

Oh we'll get it, about 5 minutes before the price of crude starts to fall.

[thinfourth2]

IAmAHorse said:

Farage makes a good speech.
He seems to talk sense in the youtube vids I've seen of him speaking in the Euro parliament.

But has anyone who is planning to vote for UKIP read this?

Apparently (though well-referenced):
Links with far-right organisations, including BNP, National Front and Polish extremists?
Opposition to equal opportunities for women?
Openly homophobic?
And the belief that fossil fuels are renewable?

I know this is PH so I don't necessarily expect a sensible response, but isn't it worth looking beyond a bit of party policy before casting your vote?

I don't care

I really really don't care

I'll still vote UKIP

I'd far rather vote for a party that is homophobic, racist and belives in magic oil then one that is 100% commited to stopping global warming and the rest of st that the conlab-dem lot spew out

[IAmAHorse]

thinfourth2 said:

I don't care

I really really don't care

I'll still vote UKIP

I'd far rather vote for a party that is homophobic, racist and belives in magic oil then one that is 100% commited to stopping global warming and the rest of st that the conlab-dem lot spew out

Fair enough.
I don't trust any political party, especially Labour, the Conservatives or Liberal Democrats (oh, wait, that's all of them).
But, personally, this would stop me voting UKIP.

[chris watton]

IAmAHorse said:

chris watton said:

I guess that if this were 500 years ago, Farage would have been branded a witch by the state - of course the peasants would have believed every word they were spoon-fed......

500 years later, and that post just doesn't it - for some perhaps, but not all...

Sorry, who's believing every word their spoon-fed? Perhaps the words of a charismatic politician?

...and that web page you linked to - it's unavailable....

[IAmAHorse]

chris watton said:

...and that web page you linked to - it's unavailable....

Sorry. Wrong link. Fixed.

[Blue62]

thinfourth2 said:

I don't care

I really really don't care

I'll still vote UKIP

I'd far rather vote for a party that is homophobic, racist and belives in magic oil then one that is 100% commited to stopping global warming and the rest of st that the conlab-dem lot spew out

Good for you, how are things in 1956, is the weather any better than 2012?

[chris watton]

IAmAHorse said:

chris watton said:

...and that web page you linked to - it's unavailable....

Sorry. Wrong link. Fixed.

Cheers.

Well, that was written in 8 years ago by a Euro MP. Is there any special reason we should believe this particular EU MP?

All the references are from UK tabloids, too......

[martin84]

Blue62 said:

Good for you, how are things in 1956, is the weather any better than 2012?

Not much has changed actually

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/n...

[thinfourth2]

Blue62 said:

Good for you, how are things in 1956, is the weather any better than 2012?

Oh its lovely

just we call the communist reds instead of greens

[IAmAHorse]

chris watton said:

Cheers.

Well, that was written in 8 years ago by a Euro MP. Is there any special reason we should believe this particular EU MP?

All the references are from UK tabloids, too......

Granted it's a bit old, and the author is a Labour Euro MP so you could expect a bit of bias.
But even if not 100% reliable word-for-word, I read it as moderately persuasive evidence that UKIP is not all it's been cracked up to be on here.

And not all references are tabloids—many, but not all. Also UKIP's own press releases/meetings, Times, Guardian, Telegraph, Independent etc.

ETA: And UKIP's ethos is unlikely to have changed vastly in those eight years.

[AshVX220]

chris watton said:

IAmAHorse said:

chris watton said:

...and that web page you linked to - it's unavailable....

Sorry. Wrong link. Fixed.

Cheers.

Well, that was written in 8 years ago by a Euro MP. Is there any special reason we should believe this particular EU MP?

All the references are from UK tabloids, too......

Indeed, I'll take all that with a massive bucket full of salt.

I've voted Tory my entire adult life, but no more. They don't represent me, their manifesto doesn't reflect what I want.

A vote fr UKIP isn't a vote for labour, it's a vote for UKIP, what vot is supposed to be what you believe in, not strategic or a protest.

I will vote for UKIP and I'm considering joining them.

[martin84]

AshVX220 said:

A vote fr UKIP isn't a vote for labour, it's a vote for UKIP,

I'm afraid it is. UKIP are not going to win an election so all it does is probably engineer another hung parliament.

[chris watton]

IAmAHorse said:

chris watton said:

Cheers.

Well, that was written in 8 years ago by a Euro MP. Is there any special reason we should believe this particular EU MP?

All the references are from UK tabloids, too......

Granted it's a bit old, and the author is a Labour Euro MP so you could expect a bit of bias.
But even if not 100% reliable word-for-word, I read it as moderately persuasive evidence that UKIP is not all it's been cracked up to be on here.

And not all references are tabloids—many, but not all. Also UKIP's own press releases/meetings, Times, Guardian, Telegraph, Independent etc.

ETA: And UKIP's ethos is unlikely to have changed vastly in those eight years.

NO! what you should have written is this - "And UKIP's ethos, according to this Labour EU MP is unlikely to have changed vastly in those eight years"

[IAmAHorse]

chris watton said:

NO! what you should have written is this - "And UKIP's ethos, according to this Labour EU MP is unlikely to have changed vastly in those eight years"

Point conceded.

We're all fked anyway, whoever everyone votes for.

[V8mate]

IAmAHorse said:

Farage makes a good speech.
He seems to talk sense in the youtube vids I've seen of him speaking in the Euro parliament.

Funnily enough, having started this thread applauding last night's PPB, his performance this morning, just before 7am on the Today Programme, was considerably less well assured.

Given the Party's growth from single issue drum-bangers to the full political portfolio they peddle today, it was disappointing that he was unable to answer the 'bread and butter' question of what the UK pulling out of Europe would actually look like.

[AshVX220]

martin84 said:

AshVX220 said:

A vote fr UKIP isn't a vote for labour, it's a vote for UKIP,

I'm afraid it is. UKIP are not going to win an election so all it does is probably engineer another hung parliament.

Not at all, you can't change this current system or our current political elites view over night. From small seeds, big trees grow.

The louder the UKIP voice becomes the sooner all the other idiots will start to take note.

Besides, if Labour get in again, it could well be for the last time, as they will either completely bankrupt the nation, or more likely will continue with the cuts they planned (similar to what the Tories are doing) and the chavs will realise finally that there's no difference between the 3 main parties.

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martin84 said:

AshVX220 said:

A vote fr UKIP isn't a vote for labour, it's a vote for UKIP,

I'm afraid it is. UKIP are not going to win an election so all it does is probably engineer another hung parliament.

Good. Perhaps this will encourage some consideration in the Tory party as to why UKIP are now as popular as the Libdems.

[thinfourth2]

martin84 said:

AshVX220 said:

A vote fr UKIP isn't a vote for labour, it's a vote for UKIP,

I'm afraid it is. UKIP are not going to win an election so all it does is probably engineer another hung parliament.

One of the reasons that they won't win an election is this fking retarded st of

if you don't vote this wker then that wker might get in.

90% of the idiots voting tory are voting tory to keep labour out

90% of the idiots voting labour are voting labour to keep the tories out

Its a fking st state of affairs and saying a vote for UKIP is a vote for labour only furthers our future of wkers