Blair at Levenson
Discussion
Murph7355 said:
So we find that politicians are too close to the media. Then what? Nothing will change as, as the above posts suggest, image is king. Even amongst an intelligent voter base.
Politicians know the media are powerful. They will never distance themselves from it. The voters are suckers - it doesn't matter what someone stands for, or what they've done. A nice suit, a smile, some rhetoric and away you go.
A bit off topic, but I'd love to see someone with an utterly no-bullsPoliticians know the media are powerful. They will never distance themselves from it. The voters are suckers - it doesn't matter what someone stands for, or what they've done. A nice suit, a smile, some rhetoric and away you go.
t attitude step up. Someone who isn't afraid of insulting the occasional person and doesn't suck up to the media, but who you can tell has real passion and conviction of thought.Would that even be possible in today's media world?
Shay HTFC said:
A bit off topic, but I'd love to see someone with an utterly no-bullst attitude step up. Someone who isn't afraid of insulting the occasional person and doesn't suck up to the media, but who you can tell has real passion and conviction of thought.
Would that even be possible in today's media world?
No, i dont think it would be possible. You only have to look at the stick that Cameron got in the media and even on here from some for calling Balls a muttering idiot. (an opinion that surely must ring true with most thinking people) t attitude step up. Someone who isn't afraid of insulting the occasional person and doesn't suck up to the media, but who you can tell has real passion and conviction of thought.Would that even be possible in today's media world?
People say they want honesty and passion, but they cannot handle it when someone delivers just that. I am not necessarily referring to Cameron here, just in general. And how is the average member of the public supposed to tell the truth from the lies, especially when the liars make the lies sound so attractive! "Free money if you vote for us " and "it wuz all the bankers fault" is the only thing that the wider electorate listens to.
tigerkoi said:
Alongside Clinton, Blair is a modern master of being utterly compelling in these situations.
Reagan was great at the grand speech, but light between the soundbites delivered from the White House lectern. Everyone from Adenauer to Eisenhower spoke the great words, but working through, dissecting the debate of an argument, often charming your way through at times a hostile reception, it's hard to think of someone better. Golda Meir maybe. Nkrumah too.
Just wanted to say what a great post. Blair is an extremely skilled communicator, I just hope that his greed will eventually catch up with him, his support of the regime in Khazakistan for $13m is disgusting. Reagan was great at the grand speech, but light between the soundbites delivered from the White House lectern. Everyone from Adenauer to Eisenhower spoke the great words, but working through, dissecting the debate of an argument, often charming your way through at times a hostile reception, it's hard to think of someone better. Golda Meir maybe. Nkrumah too.
Derek Smith said:
AM04ARO said:
He was very smooth and came across as quite likeable.
Trouble is that is what duped so many into going along with his policies.
He fooled me. I voted for him. If the tories had not turned themselves into an unelectable laughing stock by their internecine battles then I might not have done but I must admit to a certain anticipation when he got voted in. Yet I was impressed by Major. I still don’t know why I voted against him.Trouble is that is what duped so many into going along with his policies.
Even then it took me some time to realise my mistake. Yet knowing what he is like and the knowledge that he took us into two unwinnable wars for no particular reason and, apparently, no exit, yesterday I could still see why he fooled me.
A dangerous man.
Blue62 said:
tigerkoi said:
Alongside Clinton, Blair is a modern master of being utterly compelling in these situations.
Reagan was great at the grand speech, but light between the soundbites delivered from the White House lectern. Everyone from Adenauer to Eisenhower spoke the great words, but working through, dissecting the debate of an argument, often charming your way through at times a hostile reception, it's hard to think of someone better. Golda Meir maybe. Nkrumah too.
Just wanted to say what a great post. Blair is an extremely skilled communicator, I just hope that his greed will eventually catch up with him, his support of the regime in Khazakistan for $13m is disgusting. Reagan was great at the grand speech, but light between the soundbites delivered from the White House lectern. Everyone from Adenauer to Eisenhower spoke the great words, but working through, dissecting the debate of an argument, often charming your way through at times a hostile reception, it's hard to think of someone better. Golda Meir maybe. Nkrumah too.
EDLT said:
Did you happen to burst into the court yesterday?
No but I'm right behind the guy who did, but you have to grudgingly admit that Tony handled the situation with aplomb, makes you wonder if the whole thing was stage-managed, oh dear, I've been hanging around here too long and beginning to sound like the PH massive.Blue62 said:
No but I'm right behind the guy who did, but you have to grudgingly admit that Tony handled the situation with aplomb, makes you wonder if the whole thing was stage-managed, oh dear, I've been hanging around here too long and beginning to sound like the PH massive.
No, you're beginning to sound unhinged 
No excuse for some loony bursting into the enquiry. None at all. He's done his cause no good, which is something, I suppose.
Shay HTFC said:
A bit off topic, but I'd love to see someone with an utterly no-bullst attitude step up. Someone who isn't afraid of insulting the occasional person and doesn't suck up to the media, but who you can tell has real passion and conviction of thought.
Would that even be possible in today's media world?
Regrettably, not a cat in hells chance of getting elected, let alone to lead a country.t attitude step up. Someone who isn't afraid of insulting the occasional person and doesn't suck up to the media, but who you can tell has real passion and conviction of thought.Would that even be possible in today's media world?
Can you imagine, trying to tell 'the people' that they've f**cked up by borrowing too much for too long, believed the politicians lies about future wealth and wellbeing, but it's OK because now we'll recognise gay marriage and fund IVF treatment for 'same sex partnerships'.
We DESERVED Blair, if only to make more people wake up and pay a little attention.
Blue62 said:
Just wanted to say what a great post. Blair is an extremely skilled communicator, I just hope that his greed will eventually catch up with him, his support of the regime in Khazakistan for $13m is disgusting.
If they offered me $13million then I would say Kazakhstan was great too.
eharding said:
KENZ said:
Blair is a excellent communicator and articulate.
He's also a man of wealth and taste.I'm still puzzled as to the nature of his game, though.
Does he still own that 3.5million pad that some fella loaned him cash to buy?
Wonder what boards he sits on.
DSM2 said:
He lead the Country all right. Into two unnecessary wars and down the economic toilet.
He deserves no respect at all, he may be an ex PM but he's still a.
And you think DC in power would have not gone to war ? Your a bit deluded fella He deserves no respect at all, he may be an ex PM but he's still a
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Bedazzled said:
Blair is like a modern-day pied piper, people naturally follow but he takes them in completely the wrong direction. The thing is, several years and enquiries later, we still don't know why he really did it; I'd love to know how he was hoodwinked into it. Without that millstone, his legacy could be quite different.
I was dumbfounded when Bush and Blair both won subsequent elections, the public still voted for them despite it being clear the war in Iraq was misguided. Not enough people cared. I completely lost faith in modern democracy at that moment; don't waste your time blaming the politicians, the public are just too dumb to vote.
He did the impossible in one respect: he made the labour party electable. Thatcher's majority for her first term was courtesy of the dreadful infighting the labour party was suffering. For the next it was even worse. With Trotskyite influence changing the face of labour voters were leaving in droves. I thought it was the end for them.I was dumbfounded when Bush and Blair both won subsequent elections, the public still voted for them despite it being clear the war in Iraq was misguided. Not enough people cared. I completely lost faith in modern democracy at that moment; don't waste your time blaming the politicians, the public are just too dumb to vote.
Kinnock must have been a tory plant. He was so ineffectual. The tories were in power for nigh on 20 years. Turning the labour party from very left wing to a middle ground party, and even managing to get the publiuc ownership caluse removed was remarkable. If only he'd left it there.
Go compare:
Hunt with Blair at Leveson. The former came over dreadfully I felt.
Hunt was touted as a replacement for Cameron. Had he taken the bullet rather than Adams he could have come away with a bit of credibility but the longer he stays in post the more damaged he becomes. If I was Cameron I'd be thinking to myself that one challenger is out of the frame.
When you consider the likes of Blunkett resignations and yet he returned, just as awful as before. Hunt could have gone into the hot seat as just another MP. Now the government is being tarred by the same brush.
And now Osborne might be in the frame.
Does anyone else have a nagging little suspicion at the backs of their minds that the press release of yet another U-turn on taxes was made at a 'convenient' time? Perhaps it is just me being cynical.
I've not been that impressed by Jay but he allowed Hunt his head to an extent yesterday and, to mix mataphores, gave him lots of rope. And Hunt exposed himself.
Hunt staying on is giving ammunition to the labour party. If (when?) Hunt goes it will be seen as a confession of fault and a victory for labour.
Hunt with Blair at Leveson. The former came over dreadfully I felt.
Hunt was touted as a replacement for Cameron. Had he taken the bullet rather than Adams he could have come away with a bit of credibility but the longer he stays in post the more damaged he becomes. If I was Cameron I'd be thinking to myself that one challenger is out of the frame.
When you consider the likes of Blunkett resignations and yet he returned, just as awful as before. Hunt could have gone into the hot seat as just another MP. Now the government is being tarred by the same brush.
And now Osborne might be in the frame.
Does anyone else have a nagging little suspicion at the backs of their minds that the press release of yet another U-turn on taxes was made at a 'convenient' time? Perhaps it is just me being cynical.
I've not been that impressed by Jay but he allowed Hunt his head to an extent yesterday and, to mix mataphores, gave him lots of rope. And Hunt exposed himself.
Hunt staying on is giving ammunition to the labour party. If (when?) Hunt goes it will be seen as a confession of fault and a victory for labour.
Derek Smith said:
Hunt staying on is giving ammunition to the labour party. If (when?) Hunt goes it will be seen as a confession of fault and a victory for labour.
It makes one chuckle. They held onto Coulson when the sensible thing would be to drop, and that they hold onto that silly twunt. Maybe he is hoping he can hold on till it gets close to an election where they won't dare drop him. Silly people.http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/jun/01/labour...
Odd tactic I think. Much more mileage if they leave him in post.
Odd tactic I think. Much more mileage if they leave him in post.
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