Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court
Discussion
samwilliams said:
AndrewW-G said:
All the articles have the same slant . . . . .Assange thinks people are libeling him and he's being treated as badly as the McAnns . . . .which is a tad ironic given the gross inaccuracies of a large chunk of his website!AndrewW-G said:
Having met him a few years ago, I really wouldn't want to get anywhere near his mind again . . . . the slimy little two faced delusional turd that he is.
Are we to take it that Mr Assange did not consider the wiki(d) secrets you were trying to leak sufficiently interesting for publication?Ozzie Osmond said:
AndrewW-G said:
Having met him a few years ago, I really wouldn't want to get anywhere near his mind again . . . . the slimy little two faced delusional turd that he is.
Are we to take it that Mr Assange did not consider the wiki(d) secrets you were trying to leak sufficiently interesting for publication?MadMullah said:
will his asylum request be granted??
I think these things are usually checked out in advance so Assange wouldn't have turned up there unless he was pretty sure his request would be favourably considered.However, it's always possible that sufficient political pressure will get applied during the faux "consideration of his request" phase that they will change their mind and boot him out to face the Met.
IMO it's the stupidest thing Assange has yet done. He's abandoned any claim on the moral high ground by trying to run away and hide. Mind you, seeing the way USA is treating Bradley Manning who can blame him being scared.
Ozzie Osmond said:
I think these things are usually checked out in advance so Assange wouldn't have turned up there unless he was pretty sure his request would be favourably considered.
However, it's always possible that sufficient political pressure will get applied during the faux "consideration of his request" phase that they will change their mind and boot him out to face the Met.
IMO it's the stupidest thing Assange has yet done. He's abandoned any claim on the moral high ground by trying to run away and hide. Mind you, seeing the way USA is treating Bradley Manning who can blame him being scared.
Right well I am going to step into the firing line here and say I am 100% behind assange's move. In his place I would not set foot on any soil with an extradition treaty with the US.However, it's always possible that sufficient political pressure will get applied during the faux "consideration of his request" phase that they will change their mind and boot him out to face the Met.
IMO it's the stupidest thing Assange has yet done. He's abandoned any claim on the moral high ground by trying to run away and hide. Mind you, seeing the way USA is treating Bradley Manning who can blame him being scared.
Simply put imvho this is just a smoke screen by the US to have him extradited to the US. He has repeatedly said he would be more than happy to answer the accusations here or in Sweden provided he is given a guarantee he will not be extradited to the US.
The UK and Sweden have repeatedly refused to give him such assurances. Swedish authorities are apparently quite happy to travel to the UK to question on UK soil those charged with offences in Sweden yet they refused to come here even though he hasn't even been charged.
The US authorities can also request his extradition in secret (according to the wail). This means that his extradition process to the US would begin as soon as he lands in Sweden.
He may be a nutjob but the US is an even bigger and more untrustworthy nutjob.
TallbutBuxomly said:
Right well I am going to step into the firing line here and say I am 100% behind assange's move. In his place I would not set foot on any soil with an extradition treaty with the US.
Ignoring for now the rights and wrongs of the case and just considering the practical implications of his actions, in the event of the Ecuadoreans agreeing to his request for asylum how is he planning to get to Ecuador? As I understand it, as soon as he leaves the embassy he will be arrested. Is he planning on spending the rest of his life in the Ecuadorean embassy? I'm not sure that is a good choice.
Halb said:
Someone above mentioned a diplomatic passport?
I don't think that would work:http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/jun/20/julian...
Q: Is there any way the Ecuadoreans can spirit him out of Britain and ensure he reaches the safety of Quito, their capital?
A: If Assange steps out of the embassy, he is liable to be arrested. Were he to be given a diplomatic passport, that would not alter the situation: immunity from arrest is only conferred on diplomats accredited to the Court of St James's by the Foreign Office.
Any attempt by the Ecuadoreans to have him accredited would be rebuffed by UK authorities. Were Assange to accept an Ecuadorean diplomatic passport, some suggest, he would become an Ecuadorean national – and therefore be unable to seek asylum in what would now be his own country's embassy. Diplomacy is a cunning profession – dangerously double-edged.
Only way to get him out would be to make him a diplomatic agent for the Ecuadorian government it looks like....
So a member of their admin or technical staff as they cannot be arrested. Problem with this is that Ecuador would have an issue with Sweden as they would not be able to prosecute him which would make them very pissed off.
Although yet again on the flip side assumingly he could go to Sweden and answer any questions put to him free in the knowledge they cannot touch him.
That's if I understand the situation correctly.
There has to be a less complicated way though as otherwise what's the point of being able to claim asylum within a building.
So a member of their admin or technical staff as they cannot be arrested. Problem with this is that Ecuador would have an issue with Sweden as they would not be able to prosecute him which would make them very pissed off.
Although yet again on the flip side assumingly he could go to Sweden and answer any questions put to him free in the knowledge they cannot touch him.
That's if I understand the situation correctly.
There has to be a less complicated way though as otherwise what's the point of being able to claim asylum within a building.
Edited by TallbutBuxomly on Saturday 30th June 14:03
TallbutBuxomly said:
Only wat to get him out would be to make him a diplomatic agent for the Ecuadorian government it looks like....
Category May be arrested or detained Residence may be entered subject to ordinary procedures May be issued traffic ticket May be subpoenaed as witness May be prosecuted Official family member
Diplomatic Diplomatic agent No[54] No Yes No No Same as sponsor
Member of administrative and technical staff No[54] No Yes No No Same as sponsor
Service staff Yes[55] Yes Yes Yes No, for official acts. Otherwise, yes[55] No[55]
Consular Career Consular Officers Yes, if for a felony and pursuant to a warrant.[55] Yes[56] Yes No, for official acts. Testimony may not be compelled in any case. No, for official acts. Otherwise, yes[57] No[55]
Honorary consular officers Yes Yes Yes No, for official acts. Yes, in all other cases No, for official acts. Otherwise, yes No
Consular employees Yes[55] Yes Yes No, for official acts. Yes, in all other cases No, for official acts. Otherwise, yes[55] No[55]
International organization Diplomatic-level staff of missions to international organizations No[54][58] No[58] Yes No[58] No[58] Same as sponsor
International Organization Staff[57] Yes[57] Yes[57] Yes No, for official acts. Yes, in all other cases No, for official acts. Otherwise, yes[57] No[55]
Support staff of missions to international organizations Yes Yes Yes No, for official acts. Yes, in all other cases No, for official acts. Otherwise, yes No
[edit]Notes
I know nothing about such matters but other reports suggest that the options for granting him diplomatic status rely on him being either a Ecuadorean citizen (which would mean he couldn't claim asylum) or an acredited diplomat (which would need the approval of the host country). I can't see why the Ecuadoreans would be prepared to jump through the necessary hoops to help Assange, too much trouble surely?Category May be arrested or detained Residence may be entered subject to ordinary procedures May be issued traffic ticket May be subpoenaed as witness May be prosecuted Official family member
Diplomatic Diplomatic agent No[54] No Yes No No Same as sponsor
Member of administrative and technical staff No[54] No Yes No No Same as sponsor
Service staff Yes[55] Yes Yes Yes No, for official acts. Otherwise, yes[55] No[55]
Consular Career Consular Officers Yes, if for a felony and pursuant to a warrant.[55] Yes[56] Yes No, for official acts. Testimony may not be compelled in any case. No, for official acts. Otherwise, yes[57] No[55]
Honorary consular officers Yes Yes Yes No, for official acts. Yes, in all other cases No, for official acts. Otherwise, yes No
Consular employees Yes[55] Yes Yes No, for official acts. Yes, in all other cases No, for official acts. Otherwise, yes[55] No[55]
International organization Diplomatic-level staff of missions to international organizations No[54][58] No[58] Yes No[58] No[58] Same as sponsor
International Organization Staff[57] Yes[57] Yes[57] Yes No, for official acts. Yes, in all other cases No, for official acts. Otherwise, yes[57] No[55]
Support staff of missions to international organizations Yes Yes Yes No, for official acts. Yes, in all other cases No, for official acts. Otherwise, yes No
[edit]Notes
RYH64E said:
I know nothing about such matters but other reports suggest that the options for granting him diplomatic status rely on him being either a Ecuadorean citizen (which would mean he couldn't claim asylum) or an acredited diplomat (which would need the approval of the host country). I can't see why the Ecuadoreans would be prepared to jump through the necessary hoops to help Assange, too much trouble surely?
Dunno he's meant to be really good buddies with the president I believe so you never know.Marf said:
Patino said that one of the alleged victims filed a complaint, because she "realized that on certain nights, the condom broke."WHAT THE ****?
This entire thing has been over a condom broken, that must be one of the most ridiculous laws ever that a woman could make an complaint to the police about that?
Regiment said:
Patino said that one of the alleged victims filed a complaint, because she "realized that on certain nights, the condom broke."
WHAT THE ****?
This entire thing has been over a condom broken, that must be one of the most ridiculous laws ever that a woman could make an complaint to the police about that?
No this whole thing has been over Assange releasing confidential US documents and the US are severely pissed and want him on swedish soil so they can extradite and jail him for life or something similar.WHAT THE ****?
This entire thing has been over a condom broken, that must be one of the most ridiculous laws ever that a woman could make an complaint to the police about that?
TallbutBuxomly said:
No this whole thing has been over Assange releasing confidential US documents and the US are severely pissed and want him on swedish soil so they can extradite and jail him for life or something similar.
How long before the US organise the overthrow of the Ecuadorian leader? 
TallbutBuxomly said:
No this whole thing has been over Assange releasing confidential US documents and the US are severely pissed and want him on swedish soil so they can extradite and jail him for life or something similar.
I may have missed this bit, but is the extradition agreement between Sweden and the US different from that between the UK and the US?10 Pence Short said:
I may have missed this bit, but is the extradition agreement between Sweden and the US different from that between the UK and the US?
Not sure. I am no legal beagle so its just a theory on my part however for the US to make it stick I am assuming they need him to be under suspicion of wrongdoing within a country with extradition treaties which conveniently he is in sweden. Also bear in mind the bad press the UK gov and courts are getting about the uk's seemingly unequal extradition situation where we extradite a lot more people to the US than they do us.
To a degree easier to palm it off on Sweden.
Of course I may be wrong and just ridiculously paranoid about the US and other political organisations who all seem quite determined to do whatever the f
k so pleases them.Edited by TallbutBuxomly on Thursday 5th July 18:11
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