Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court
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Finlandia said:
JA may transfer to the Ecuadorian embassy in Stockholm, according to news in Sweden.
Not sure how that would be possible but certainly is a step forwards. He would then be on swedish ground and they could interview him freely within the embassy without having to send anyone to the uk.TallbutBuxomly said:
Finlandia said:
JA may transfer to the Ecuadorian embassy in Stockholm, according to news in Sweden.
Not sure how that would be possible but certainly is a step forwards. He would then be on swedish ground and they could interview him freely within the embassy without having to send anyone to the uk.I'm sure I don't need to point out that the Ecuadorian Embassy in Stockholm isn't Swedish soil.
Riff Raff said:
TallbutBuxomly said:
Finlandia said:
JA may transfer to the Ecuadorian embassy in Stockholm, according to news in Sweden.
Not sure how that would be possible but certainly is a step forwards. He would then be on swedish ground and they could interview him freely within the embassy without having to send anyone to the uk.I'm sure I don't need to point out that the Ecuadorian Embassy in Stockholm isn't Swedish soil.
Riff Raff said:
I'm not sure about that. Isn't the whole point of this that he has to be on Swedish soil so he can be interviewed and arrested?
I'm sure I don't need to point out that the Ecuadorian Embassy in Stockholm isn't Swedish soil.
It is Swedish soil.I'm sure I don't need to point out that the Ecuadorian Embassy in Stockholm isn't Swedish soil.
Quoting wiki;
"Contrary to popular belief, diplomatic missions do not enjoy full extraterritorial status and are not sovereign territory of the represented state.[5][6] Rather, the premises of diplomatic missions remain under the jurisdiction of the host state while being afforded special privileges (such as immunity from most local laws) by the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations. Diplomats themselves still retain full diplomatic immunity, and (as an adherent to the Vienna Convention) the host country may not enter the premises of the mission without permission of the represented country. The term "extraterritoriality" is often applied to diplomatic missions, but only in this broader sense."
hairykrishna said:
Riff Raff said:
I'm not sure about that. Isn't the whole point of this that he has to be on Swedish soil so he can be interviewed and arrested?
I'm sure I don't need to point out that the Ecuadorian Embassy in Stockholm isn't Swedish soil.
It is Swedish soil.I'm sure I don't need to point out that the Ecuadorian Embassy in Stockholm isn't Swedish soil.
Quoting wiki;
"Contrary to popular belief, diplomatic missions do not enjoy full extraterritorial status and are not sovereign territory of the represented state.[5][6] Rather, the premises of diplomatic missions remain under the jurisdiction of the host state while being afforded special privileges (such as immunity from most local laws) by the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations. Diplomats themselves still retain full diplomatic immunity, and (as an adherent to the Vienna Convention) the host country may not enter the premises of the mission without permission of the represented country. The term "extraterritoriality" is often applied to diplomatic missions, but only in this broader sense."
If they can, it's a step forward. If they can't, then it's just another waste of everyone's time and bandwidth.
Riff Raff said:
I CBA to search for it, but can they arrest him in the Embassy?
If they can, it's a step forward. If they can't, then it's just another waste of everyone's time and bandwidth.
I don't know - I think it would probably require consent from Ecuador. Surely it's a step forward if they can question him though?If they can, it's a step forward. If they can't, then it's just another waste of everyone's time and bandwidth.
Riff Raff said:
it's just another waste of everyone's time and bandwidth.
Quite. Swedish plod could just as easily nip over to UK for a chat with Mr A but there are only two possible outcomes,a) They don't want to press charges, or
b) They want him in Sweden for trial.
If (a) then Assange is stuck in the UK Ecuador embassy for ever because he's really hiding from USA, not the Swedes.
If (b) then Assange still won't go to Sweden because he says it's easier for USA to nab him there.
IMO he's going nowhere until Ecuador finds him an embarrassment and kicks him out. Can't imagine that will take too long.
TallbutBuxomly said:
Riff Raff said:
TallbutBuxomly said:
Finlandia said:
JA may transfer to the Ecuadorian embassy in Stockholm, according to news in Sweden.
Not sure how that would be possible but certainly is a step forwards. He would then be on swedish ground and they could interview him freely within the embassy without having to send anyone to the uk.I'm sure I don't need to point out that the Ecuadorian Embassy in Stockholm isn't Swedish soil.
His point, and despite other things, I think it is valid, is that every year 100's of people are interviewed in the UK (on a range of charges) and that it should be possible. He states that in virtually every case interviews take place before extradition takes place.
OdramaSwimLaden said:
It would be a good compromise.
His point, and despite other things, I think it is valid, is that every year 100's of people are interviewed in the UK (on a range of charges) and that it should be possible. He states that in virtually every case interviews take place before extradition takes place.
But does it happen with Swedish interviews? It has been suggested in some quarters that Swedish law does not allow Assange to be formally questioned, and especially not charged, elsewhere than Sweden, in part because of protections in Swedish law to provide suitable counsel.His point, and despite other things, I think it is valid, is that every year 100's of people are interviewed in the UK (on a range of charges) and that it should be possible. He states that in virtually every case interviews take place before extradition takes place.
WhereamI said:
Finlandia said:
JA may transfer to the Ecuadorian embassy in Stockholm, according to news in Sweden.
So how is he going to get from one to the other without being arrested?Finlandia said:
WhereamI said:
Finlandia said:
JA may transfer to the Ecuadorian embassy in Stockholm, according to news in Sweden.
So how is he going to get from one to the other without being arrested?WhereamI said:
And you think that is going to happen? Assange is the one stuck in an embassy not going anywhere, not sure why a country should adapt their processes to accomodate him.
I don't think anything, I'm telling anyone interested what has been said in news here. There are a number of ways to get someone out of one embassy and into another, some more risky than others.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff