Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court
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E24man said:
Did I read somewhere that the time statute for this alleged offence actually ends in 2020 and should they choose, the Swedish Prosecutors could still prepare to charge again at any time up to then?
Add to that the potential jail sentence for braking UK bail rules and I can see Assanges self imposed incarceration lasting a good deal longer.
He broke the bail rules once so any step outside would see him arrested for that, and then once he gets in front of a Magistrate they'll quite rightly ask, "Is he a flight risk?"
"Well, err, maybe..."
"Remanded in custody, take him down."
It does appear that by chickening out of going back to Sweden he has rather snookered himself for a significant time until he mans up to face the music.
I still remember his frightened little face pleading to be left alone and in peace when all this first kicked off.
Hypocrite of the highest order.
Given Swedish law and punishment had he done as requested and gone to be questioned and had been charged and convicted he would have long been a free man by now.Add to that the potential jail sentence for braking UK bail rules and I can see Assanges self imposed incarceration lasting a good deal longer.
He broke the bail rules once so any step outside would see him arrested for that, and then once he gets in front of a Magistrate they'll quite rightly ask, "Is he a flight risk?"
"Well, err, maybe..."
"Remanded in custody, take him down."
It does appear that by chickening out of going back to Sweden he has rather snookered himself for a significant time until he mans up to face the music.
I still remember his frightened little face pleading to be left alone and in peace when all this first kicked off.
Hypocrite of the highest order.
Rape law in Sweden and punishment is dependent on various factors. Lowest sentence is 24 months and if the rapist has been in a relationship the sentence can be considerably shorter. Most rapists in Sweden regardless of sentence serve around 18 months. Sweden also has an extremely low conviction rate because their definitions of rape are so broad it becomes almost impossible to convict as it has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt without witness or evidence.
In Assanges case as I understand it he and his accuser stayed together and slept together for 5 days after he was alleged to have raped her.
Assange has never refused to be questioned. He has done all that could be reasonably expected and offered to be questioned both by video link and in person at the embassy.
For years Sweden refused to do so because it was presumably hoped he would in the end be forced to leave.
Why would Assange spend 5 years in an embassy as a prisoner when he could almost immediately be a free man as chances of him being charged were very low and if convicted he would have been free within 18 months?
Because he knows the minute he sets foot outside the embassy he will be arrested and handed over to the US and he will definitely never leave prison alive.
Looks like he'll choose to stay put in his little room in little Ecuador for a while yet then.
The only end to Ecuadors cuckoo is for him to man up and face a judicial system (or two) or the great British Bobby to take 40 winks and for Assange to pop up somewhere else in the world where he can attempt to hide from everyone else he has pissed off.
Russia perhaps, but even Snowdon doesn't rate the place now......
The only end to Ecuadors cuckoo is for him to man up and face a judicial system (or two) or the great British Bobby to take 40 winks and for Assange to pop up somewhere else in the world where he can attempt to hide from everyone else he has pissed off.
Russia perhaps, but even Snowdon doesn't rate the place now......
frankenstein12 said:
Don't be ridiculous. If he had gone to Sweden he would then have been handed to the US and would never have seen daylight again.
The charges against him in Sweden were a farce. I do not condone sex assault against woman but basic logic points to the whole thing being a set up.
He still cannot leave the Embassy as he will be arrested, jailed and in the end handed to the US.
What history does Sweden have extraditing people to the US? Also, AIUI, if the UK extradites to Sweden then it too has strictures in place for what happens next. And under Obama at least I don't even think he was a blip on the radar. What proof is there that he'll end up in the US? The charges against him in Sweden were a farce. I do not condone sex assault against woman but basic logic points to the whole thing being a set up.
He still cannot leave the Embassy as he will be arrested, jailed and in the end handed to the US.
The definition of rape in Sweden is seemingly much broader than here. If he did what he is accused of then whether it constitutes rape here is neither here nor there, he's still a t
t of the highest order.With all the hullabaloo over him I really cannot think any government would do the dirty. Though frankly I couldn't care less either way. He's proven a number of times that he's someone of very limited moral fibre. He thinks he's clever and above the law, the former's already highly doubtful. Hopefully the latter will be proven false too.
Murph7355 said:
frankenstein12 said:
Don't be ridiculous. If he had gone to Sweden he would then have been handed to the US and would never have seen daylight again.
The charges against him in Sweden were a farce. I do not condone sex assault against woman but basic logic points to the whole thing being a set up.
He still cannot leave the Embassy as he will be arrested, jailed and in the end handed to the US.
What history does Sweden have extraditing people to the US? Also, AIUI, if the UK extradites to Sweden then it too has strictures in place for what happens next. And under Obama at least I don't even think he was a blip on the radar. What proof is there that he'll end up in the US? The charges against him in Sweden were a farce. I do not condone sex assault against woman but basic logic points to the whole thing being a set up.
He still cannot leave the Embassy as he will be arrested, jailed and in the end handed to the US.
The definition of rape in Sweden is seemingly much broader than here. If he did what he is accused of then whether it constitutes rape here is neither here nor there, he's still a t
t of the highest order.With all the hullabaloo over him I really cannot think any government would do the dirty. Though frankly I couldn't care less either way. He's proven a number of times that he's someone of very limited moral fibre. He thinks he's clever and above the law, the former's already highly doubtful. Hopefully the latter will be proven false too.
It would potentially be difficult to extradite Assange but certainly not impossible.
Escapegoat said:
Murph7355 said:
What proof is there that he'll end up in the US?
You want proof of a future event? No such thing, but you might like to google for "N379P" which happened to stop and collect 'terrorists' from ... well, well ... Sweden.
fido said:
Escapegoat said:
Murph7355 said:
What proof is there that he'll end up in the US?
You want proof of a future event? No such thing, but you might like to google for "N379P" which happened to stop and collect 'terrorists' from ... well, well ... Sweden.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/20/politics/julian-...
Assange is going to be imprisoned in the Ecuador Embassy or a US jail for the rest of his days. He cannot seriously expect to betray the most powerful nation on Earth and get a free pass to South America. If he does get smuggled somewhere, unless he goes to Russia, the US will hunt him down and pop him off in a car crash or something.
The Mad Monk said:
frankenstein12 said:
He still cannot leave the Embassy as he will be arrested, jailed and in the end handed to the US.
Therefore, he must end his days in the Embassy? Something else to remember about our American friends: under Obama (the nice cuddly type of American), the USA forced the Bolivian President's plane to land in Austria - because they thought it was carrying Snowden as well as Evo Morales.
It was on its way back to Bolivia from Russia and the USA somehow 'persuaded' the French, Italian and Spanish governments to get their ATCs to deny permission for over-flight.
It was on its way back to Bolivia from Russia and the USA somehow 'persuaded' the French, Italian and Spanish governments to get their ATCs to deny permission for over-flight.
Escapegoat said:
Something else to remember about our American friends: under Obama (the nice cuddly type of American), the USA forced the Bolivian President's plane to land in Austria - because they thought it was carrying Snowden as well as Evo Morales.
It was on its way back to Bolivia from Russia and the USA somehow 'persuaded' the French, Italian and Spanish governments to get their ATCs to deny permission for over-flight.
The are some unfortunate and complex occurrences. These days people have massive information overload which in turn means they have extremely short term memory.It was on its way back to Bolivia from Russia and the USA somehow 'persuaded' the French, Italian and Spanish governments to get their ATCs to deny permission for over-flight.
There is then also the huge growth in propaganda and fake news from all sides and sources which most people take at face value without fact checking or historical checks.
Then there are the conspiracy theorists some who are right many others who are wrong leading to the majority of people being extremely sceptical of claims or allegations made.
All of these factors and others such as people led by western governments not wanting to know or believe or think that their government would ever behave against the peoples interest or in deeply unethical ways leads to people being ignorant of reality.
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