Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court
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frankenstein12 said:
Derek Smith said:
I am with most others in that if there is a prima facie case to answer in a matter of rape, the suspect should go to trial, subject to legal exemptions. I can see no logical nor legal argument against it.
Then we get the waters muddied by the USA. I can see their point of view but we all know that when the mood takes them, a little inconvenience such as habeas corpus can be ignored. They have a cavalier attitude to human rights when the mood takes them.
There is little if anything we can trust in this matter. The circumstances of the rape allegation are confusing and from reports it would appear that there was pressure exerted to restart the action against him, but who knows. Certainly not me. The best thing is for Assange to return to face the charge before the statute of limitations ends. He suggests the charge is just a vehicle to ensure he returns to the USA. In that matter there appears to be some support for his view.
The only thing we can be sure of is that the USA would not use someone who believes they are the victim of a rape for their own ends regardless of its legality, or the effect on the victim.
I am firm in the opinion that rape allegations should be investigated thoroughly and that if there's a case, it should be pursued. I also believe that legal procedures are sacrosanct and that a law should not be ignored just because it give the enquiry some problems.
I hope my confusion in the matter comes over.
This is mostly my view but where my perspective changed more solidly in favour of Assange is that he apparently made numerous offers to be interviewed by the authorities either via video link or within the embassy to assist with their investigation and they refused.Then we get the waters muddied by the USA. I can see their point of view but we all know that when the mood takes them, a little inconvenience such as habeas corpus can be ignored. They have a cavalier attitude to human rights when the mood takes them.
There is little if anything we can trust in this matter. The circumstances of the rape allegation are confusing and from reports it would appear that there was pressure exerted to restart the action against him, but who knows. Certainly not me. The best thing is for Assange to return to face the charge before the statute of limitations ends. He suggests the charge is just a vehicle to ensure he returns to the USA. In that matter there appears to be some support for his view.
The only thing we can be sure of is that the USA would not use someone who believes they are the victim of a rape for their own ends regardless of its legality, or the effect on the victim.
I am firm in the opinion that rape allegations should be investigated thoroughly and that if there's a case, it should be pursued. I also believe that legal procedures are sacrosanct and that a law should not be ignored just because it give the enquiry some problems.
I hope my confusion in the matter comes over.
If they felt that justice to be served were that important they would have done so as then they could have either dismissed the investigation or formally charged him with rape.
Assange makes another desperate attempt to appear relevant
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/26/ju...
Bonkers conspiracy theories used to be the preserve of the right, here is some fun left wing wingnut loon babble:-
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct...
Breadvan72 said:
Bonkers conspiracy theories used to be the preserve of the right, here is some fun left wing wingnut loon babble:-
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct...
Which part? most of it is well proven and has been for months.https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct...
Breadvan72 said:
I accept that Trump, Bannon, Assange and Farage are all scumbags, and that there have been communications between various of them. but I am not convinced there is some over arching evil plan.
Agree, no over arching plan, just a bunch of scum-bags exploiting opportunity where ever they found it.Well wadda ya know...
UK CPS urged Sweden not to interview Assange in the UK or via videolink which is something they have done in many other cases.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/nov/10/uk-p...
But i guess plenty on here will still believe there is nothing suspect about any of it and that the government and CPS in the UK are honest and pure as driven snow.
UK CPS urged Sweden not to interview Assange in the UK or via videolink which is something they have done in many other cases.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/nov/10/uk-p...
But i guess plenty on here will still believe there is nothing suspect about any of it and that the government and CPS in the UK are honest and pure as driven snow.
frankenstein12 said:
Well wadda ya know...
UK CPS urged Sweden not to interview Assange in the UK or via videolink which is something they have done in many other cases.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/nov/10/uk-p...
But i guess plenty on here will still believe there is nothing suspect about any of it and that the government and CPS in the UK are honest and pure as driven snow.
Blah, blah. You clearly haven't read beyond the headline.UK CPS urged Sweden not to interview Assange in the UK or via videolink which is something they have done in many other cases.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/nov/10/uk-p...
But i guess plenty on here will still believe there is nothing suspect about any of it and that the government and CPS in the UK are honest and pure as driven snow.
4x4Tyke said:
frankenstein12 said:
Well wadda ya know...
UK CPS urged Sweden not to interview Assange in the UK or via videolink which is something they have done in many other cases.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/nov/10/uk-p...
But i guess plenty on here will still believe there is nothing suspect about any of it and that the government and CPS in the UK are honest and pure as driven snow.
Blah, blah. You clearly haven't read beyond the headline.UK CPS urged Sweden not to interview Assange in the UK or via videolink which is something they have done in many other cases.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/nov/10/uk-p...
But i guess plenty on here will still believe there is nothing suspect about any of it and that the government and CPS in the UK are honest and pure as driven snow.
frankenstein12 said:
Actually I read the entire article and aside from deleting his old emails the single most important detail is actually the fact the CPS argued Sweden not to interview him in person in the UK or via video link which would have resolved many of the issues years ago.
They never urged anything, they said it was not legally prudent, this was public knowledge at the time and no case has been made otherwise. We don't allow criminal suspects to dictate how they can be interviewed.When the CPS lawyer retired they deleted his emails, those are not legal papers, such discussion are not part of the official case record. This is an absolutely normal data protection policy in keeping with the law.
So you deliberate misrepresent the article and my giving you the benefit of the doubt was misplaced, Whoop de do, you've proven me to be a fool for assuming you had some integrity, but in do so you've just proven you are a liar not a fool.
4x4Tyke said:
frankenstein12 said:
Actually I read the entire article and aside from deleting his old emails the single most important detail is actually the fact the CPS argued Sweden not to interview him in person in the UK or via video link which would have resolved many of the issues years ago.
They never urged anything, they said it was not legally prudent, this was public knowledge at the time and no case has been made otherwise. We don't allow criminal suspects to dictate how they can be interviewed. It is not up to the UK whether Sweden can or should interview a suspect in the course of their investigations. The article in fact reads that it was quite unusual for the CPS to step in and convince Sweden not to interview him.
When the CPS lawyer retired they deleted his emails, those are not legal papers, such discussion are not part of the official case record. This is an absolutely normal data protection policy in keeping with the law.
So you deliberate misrepresent the article and my giving you the benefit of the doubt was misplaced, Whoop de do, you've proven me to be a fool for assuming you had some integrity, but in do so you've just proven you are a liar not a fool.
Suggesting that the CPS are in on the plot merely highlights the absurdity of the theory. Why invent a convoluted plan to get Assange to Sweden instead of just grabbing him from the UK, where he was grabbable for some time before going to hide in the Embassy? Not one conspiracy theorist has answered that one.
Breadvan72 said:
Suggesting that the CPS are in on the plot merely highlights the absurdity of the theory. Why invent a convoluted plan to get Assange to Sweden instead of just grabbing him from the UK, where he was grabbable for some time before going to hide in the Embassy? Not one conspiracy theorist has answered that one.
Personally I am not saying there is a definite plot but trusting that the government and CPS were not and are not up something is deeply naïve.frankenstein12 said:
Breadvan72 said:
Suggesting that the CPS are in on the plot merely highlights the absurdity of the theory. Why invent a convoluted plan to get Assange to Sweden instead of just grabbing him from the UK, where he was grabbable for some time before going to hide in the Embassy? Not one conspiracy theorist has answered that one.
Personally I am not saying there is a definite plot but trusting that the government and CPS were not and are not up something is deeply naïve.
ou sont les biscuits said:
frankenstein12 said:
Breadvan72 said:
Suggesting that the CPS are in on the plot merely highlights the absurdity of the theory. Why invent a convoluted plan to get Assange to Sweden instead of just grabbing him from the UK, where he was grabbable for some time before going to hide in the Embassy? Not one conspiracy theorist has answered that one.
Personally I am not saying there is a definite plot but trusting that the government and CPS were not and are not up something is deeply naïve.
Unfortunately due to my work I know you cannot trust the government. I dont expect anyone to believe me because unsurprisingly i cannot prove it.
frankenstein12 said:
Halb said:
frankenstein12 said:
Unfortunately due to my work I know you cannot trust the government. I dont expect anyone to believe me because unsurprisingly i cannot prove it.
Your preference not to say undermines almost every argument or statement you have made regarding Government or Politics.
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