Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court
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E24man said:
frankenstein12 said:
Halb said:
frankenstein12 said:
Unfortunately due to my work I know you cannot trust the government. I dont expect anyone to believe me because unsurprisingly i cannot prove it.
Your preference not to say undermines almost every argument or statement you have made regarding Government or Politics.
All i know is what I have experienced and it has formed my view and position on the government and all i can hope is even if people do not believe me or take me seriously hopefully they will think about things a little bit more carefully when it comes to the government and its actions.
frankenstein12 said:
Correct. As i said originally I do not expect belief or acceptance of my comments or statements as I cannot support them.
All i know is what I have experienced and it has formed my view and position on the government and all i can hope is even if people do not believe me or take me seriously hopefully they will think about things a little bit more carefully when it comes to the government and its actions.
You may hope as much as you like but without foundation or justification your comments come across as belligerent ranting. Whatever your background or experience, your overwhelming reluctance to even hint at any disclosure of it smacks of insincerity and therefore naturally hints at some level of falsehood.All i know is what I have experienced and it has formed my view and position on the government and all i can hope is even if people do not believe me or take me seriously hopefully they will think about things a little bit more carefully when it comes to the government and its actions.
E24man said:
frankenstein12 said:
Correct. As i said originally I do not expect belief or acceptance of my comments or statements as I cannot support them.
All i know is what I have experienced and it has formed my view and position on the government and all i can hope is even if people do not believe me or take me seriously hopefully they will think about things a little bit more carefully when it comes to the government and its actions.
You may hope as much as you like but without foundation or justification your comments come across as belligerent ranting. Whatever your background or experience, your overwhelming reluctance to even hint at any disclosure of it smacks of insincerity and therefore naturally hints at some level of falsehood.All i know is what I have experienced and it has formed my view and position on the government and all i can hope is even if people do not believe me or take me seriously hopefully they will think about things a little bit more carefully when it comes to the government and its actions.
frankenstein12 said:
Whilst not a secret I would prefer not to say.
Your thread > https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...OK, so why didn't the government snatch Assange when he was wandering about in the UK? Why not just frame him for something in the UK? Why create a convoluted plot in which he isn't even charged with a crime in Sweden? Are our sinister evil conspirator overlords really that rubbish at making evil plans? Have they all been to blockbuster movie villain school? What next? Monologuing at the captured hero?
E24man said:
frankenstein12 said:
Halb said:
frankenstein12 said:
Unfortunately due to my work I know you cannot trust the government. I dont expect anyone to believe me because unsurprisingly i cannot prove it.
Your preference not to say undermines almost every argument or statement you have made regarding Government or Politics.
tter or low level with no real exposure to government.Breadvan72 said:
OK, so why didn't the government snatch Assange when he was wandering about in the UK? Why not just frame him for something in the UK? Why create a convoluted plot in which he isn't even charged with a crime in Sweden? Are our sinister evil conspirator overlords really that rubbish at making evil plans? Have they all been to blockbuster movie villain school? What next? Monologuing at the captured hero?
Plausible deniability that lizards are running everything of course. Nobody would ever question Sweden - I mean, Abba for God's sake. So it was a stroke of genius using them.If only the pesky Ecuadorians hadn't stuck their noses in!
I found the movie rather disturbing recently.
He seemed a man with a clear idea, but no real method of control. Very scared, very aware that what he was doing was likely to eventually cost him something.
I would not be at all surprised if he ends up getting done by someone.
As for the government, I gave up trusting them a long time ago. Every man for himself! (within reason)
He seemed a man with a clear idea, but no real method of control. Very scared, very aware that what he was doing was likely to eventually cost him something.
I would not be at all surprised if he ends up getting done by someone.
As for the government, I gave up trusting them a long time ago. Every man for himself! (within reason)
Breadvan72 said:
OK, so why didn't the government snatch Assange when he was wandering about in the UK? Why not just frame him for something in the UK? Why create a convoluted plot in which he isn't even charged with a crime in Sweden? Are our sinister evil conspirator overlords really that rubbish at making evil plans? Have they all been to blockbuster movie villain school? What next? Monologuing at the captured hero?
Let me re iterate what I have previously said for the hard of reading. I am not and have not said its a government stitch up however to me it seems very iffy and its possible it is.I have no idea why the UK government didn't snatch him? Maybe they thought they could use him? Maybe they were concerned that if they did his colleagues would dump large amounts of UK intel online in revenge? Maybe simple sheer incompetence??
How on earth am i supposed to know? Its simply a possibility that the government is involved in some way but then they may not be.
An interesting piece about Assange/Wikileaks and Donald Trump jnr.
https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/545738/
https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/545738/
Breadvan72 said:
OK, so why didn't the government snatch Assange when he was wandering about in the UK? Why not just frame him for something in the UK? Why create a convoluted plot in which he isn't even charged with a crime in Sweden? Are our sinister evil conspirator overlords really that rubbish at making evil plans? Have they all been to blockbuster movie villain school? What next? Monologuing at the captured hero?
We all seem to be being fed with the line that Assange could quite easily be extradited UK - USA even though he is a non national. That surely is not the case?It is one thing to serve up your own nationals or extradite a non national to a country within a Union such as Europe, something entirely different when he isn't your own national.
Would USA find an easier route via Sweden given our relationship with his country?
There is no rule of public international law that precludes a national of country A from being extradited by country B to country C. In any event, Assange isn't Swedish, so if the non existent rule that you mention existed the US would be as stuck with Sweden as with the UK.
Reality check:
Which of the UK and Sweden has the closest relationship with the US? The UK.
Which of the UK and Sweden has the easiest extradition procedures with the US? The UK.
Which of the UK and Sweden has a recent record of assisting the US in shenanigans (rendition)? The UK.
Getting the drift?
Reality check:
Which of the UK and Sweden has the closest relationship with the US? The UK.
Which of the UK and Sweden has the easiest extradition procedures with the US? The UK.
Which of the UK and Sweden has a recent record of assisting the US in shenanigans (rendition)? The UK.
Getting the drift?
Breadvan72 said:
There is no rule of public international law that precludes a national of country A from being extradited by country B to country C. In any event, Assange isn't Swedish, so if the non existent rule that you mention existed the US would be as stuck with Sweden as with the UK.
Reality check:
Which of the UK and Sweden has the closest relationship with the US? The UK.
Which of the UK and Sweden has the easiest extradition procedures with the US? The UK.
Which of the UK and Sweden has a recent record of assisting the US in shenanigans (rendition)? The UK.
Getting the drift?
Quite an obtuse answer to a genuine question.Reality check:
Which of the UK and Sweden has the closest relationship with the US? The UK.
Which of the UK and Sweden has the easiest extradition procedures with the US? The UK.
Which of the UK and Sweden has a recent record of assisting the US in shenanigans (rendition)? The UK.
Getting the drift?
Do we treat the extradition of nationals and non nationals in the same manner?
Is there a fundamental difference between extradition under a European Arrest Warrant and a request from the USA?
Would any request meet the test of dual criminality?
If dual criminality were not shown could that have a detrimental effect on future requests from a cat 2 country?
Would we be required to consult with his national body particularly given our relationship?
Could any extradition be against his human rights?
Could he face the death penalty?
Wouldn't the rendition scandal be a bloody good reason not to attempt it via UK?
Would rendition be classed as specialty arrangements thereby barring any extradition attempt?
Getting the drift?
Far from obtuse, and on the contrary a direct and clear answer to your question, but it does not fit with your tinfoil hat view. Ease of extradition from the UK to Sweden is not an issue, because the supposed evil plot is to persuade Sweden to break international law by accepting the extradition from the UK for X and then extradite to the US for Y. My point is that if the US and the UK had a wicked plan then the wicked plan would be easily accomplished without adding in Sweden.
Breadvan72 said:
Far from obtuse, and on the contrary a direct and clear answer to your question, but it does not fit with your tinfoil hat view. Ease of extradition from the UK to Sweden is not an issue, because the supposed evil plot is to persuade Sweden to break international law by accepting the extradition from the UK for X and then extradite to the US for Y. My point is that if the US and the UK had a wicked plan then the wicked plan would be easily accomplished without adding in Sweden.
I don't have a tinfoil hat view at all and the use of attacks like that only go to show your weak underbelly in this engagement. 
What I find strange in watching your comments on here is that you continually appear to belittle any mention of possible collusion between our government agencies when the whole reason for bringing the Justice and Security act in was to allow exactly that to continue to take place without fear of question.
As for Assange I don't really give a toss what happens to him, I am no more than a passing spectator. You on the other hand, I am beginning to believe, must be connected to the evil plot.
Simple logic shows that BV is right.
There is no way - even if they actually wanted to extradite the pale cupboard dweller to the US - that any agencies or governments would do it like this.
They wouldn't even do it this way by accident.
If they wanted him gone he would have been lifted and straight into the court system for extradition, no detour via Sweden or rape allegations required.
Whether the claims that its about extradition are pure narcissism or there's some genuine paranoia in there too I don't know but either way it's bks.
There is no way - even if they actually wanted to extradite the pale cupboard dweller to the US - that any agencies or governments would do it like this.
They wouldn't even do it this way by accident.
If they wanted him gone he would have been lifted and straight into the court system for extradition, no detour via Sweden or rape allegations required.
Whether the claims that its about extradition are pure narcissism or there's some genuine paranoia in there too I don't know but either way it's b
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