Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court
Discussion
AJL308 said:
If the yanks wanted him so desperately I am in no doubt at all that they could easily lean on Ecuador to give him up. Lets face facts; he was in the Ecuadorian embassy for so long because he probably has some dirt on someone high profile or the government/state itself. If he has the dirt then it's pretty implausible that the Americans don't have the same dirt so can also use it against Ecuador them selves. Even if they don't then there will be some sort of pressure, or "advantageous financial circumstances", which could be brought to bear on Ecuador - exclusive right to supply US government offices with their coffee for a few years is probably worth hundreds of millions, for example. Or some guns or tanks or helicopters or something?
Indeed. The conspirators can apparently get three governments and three judiciaries to conspire illegally with one another, but the combined power of all three can't get Ecuador to kick him out earlier.
That's the problem with conspiracy theorists. They're willing to join the dots they want to see, but not the ones they don't.
La Liga said:
I don’t have any experience with that system so can’t offer any comment.
Like you say, we’ll have to see what happens and what other things the conspirators throw in their own way.
I have experience of the Swedish system and it really does not add up as a simple sexual assault/rape case.Like you say, we’ll have to see what happens and what other things the conspirators throw in their own way.
AJL308 said:
If the yanks wanted him so desperately I am in no doubt at all that they could easily lean on Ecuador to give him up. Lets face facts; he was in the Ecuadorian embassy for so long because he probably has some dirt on someone high profile or the government/state itself. If he has the dirt then it's pretty implausible that the Americans don't have the same dirt so can also use it against Ecuador them selves. Even if they don't then there will be some sort of pressure, or "advantageous financial circumstances", which could be brought to bear on Ecuador - exclusive right to supply US government offices with their coffee for a few years is probably worth hundreds of millions, for example. Or some guns or tanks or helicopters or something?
Sweden, and mainly the stained ex minister, wanted revenge on JA, and also wanted to restore the relations with the US. What better way than to get JA to a Swedish prison for rape, and then swiftly hand him over to the US when they send in the appropriate paperwork. Win-win for all involved.That was the plan, and from that point on it got more public and more silly for each week, now nearly nine years down the road who knows what will happen.
Finlandia said:
AJL308 said:
If the yanks wanted him so desperately I am in no doubt at all that they could easily lean on Ecuador to give him up. Lets face facts; he was in the Ecuadorian embassy for so long because he probably has some dirt on someone high profile or the government/state itself. If he has the dirt then it's pretty implausible that the Americans don't have the same dirt so can also use it against Ecuador them selves. Even if they don't then there will be some sort of pressure, or "advantageous financial circumstances", which could be brought to bear on Ecuador - exclusive right to supply US government offices with their coffee for a few years is probably worth hundreds of millions, for example. Or some guns or tanks or helicopters or something?
Sweden, and mainly the stained ex minister, wanted revenge on JA, and also wanted to restore the relations with the US. What better way than to get JA to a Swedish prison for rape, and then swiftly hand him over to the US when they send in the appropriate paperwork. Win-win for all involved.That was the plan, and from that point on it got more public and more silly for each week, now nearly nine years down the road who knows what will happen.
e. Why didn't the US just wait until he's somewhere even more amenable to their whims? It also ignores the fact that he is protected by exactly the same HR laws there as he is here.
As I say, and you have not addressed, why not just lean an Ecuador to kick him out of the Embassy?
AJL308 said:
As I say, and you have not addressed, why not just lean an Ecuador to kick him out of the Embassy?
Not to mention why the US have now put in an extradition request whilst he's still in the UK, why they've committed to a route which means he can challenge the request at the ECHR, regardless of whether he's in Sweden or the UK, why the Swedish judiciary got in the way etc etc. The extradition request also rather inconveniently gets in the way of the extraordinary rendition conspiracy theory.
AJL308 said:
As has been said over and over on this thread though - that conveniently ignores that fact that they could have handed him over at any time while he was actually there and the Yanks could simply have made an extradition request to us, which they have done now he's back in our custody. JA travels all over the globe and his whereabouts are generally always known because he a publicity we. Why didn't the US just wait until he's somewhere even more amenable to their whims?
It also ignores the fact that he is protected by exactly the same HR laws there as he is here.
As I say, and you have not addressed, why not just lean an Ecuador to kick him out of the Embassy?
In 2010 when this sorry saga began, JA was hailed as some sort of a hero in the Swedish media and by the people, to then make him disappear while in Sweden would be silly. JA then had his sexual mishap with the girls which offered the perfect opportunity to sort this out, drag his name through the mud with rape accusations, get him in the Swedish prison system and then hand him over to the US.e. Why didn't the US just wait until he's somewhere even more amenable to their whims? It also ignores the fact that he is protected by exactly the same HR laws there as he is here.
As I say, and you have not addressed, why not just lean an Ecuador to kick him out of the Embassy?
AJL308 said:
Finlandia said:
I have experience of the Swedish system and it really does not add up as a simple sexual assault/rape case.
Why?La Liga said:
AJL308 said:
As I say, and you have not addressed, why not just lean an Ecuador to kick him out of the Embassy?
Not to mention why the US have now put in an extradition request whilst he's still in the UK, why they've committed to a route which means he can challenge the request at the ECHR, regardless of whether he's in Sweden or the UK, why the Swedish judiciary got in the way etc etc. The extradition request also rather inconveniently gets in the way of the extraordinary rendition conspiracy theory.
Finlandia said:
I don't have all the answers. Read back what I have explained before, there are plenty of discrepancies in this case. Make of that what you will, but this does not add up.
Which is exactly the same sentence that can be applied to the case of the conspiracy theory. It doesn't add up.
La Liga said:
Finlandia said:
I don't have all the answers. Read back what I have explained before, there are plenty of discrepancies in this case. Make of that what you will, but this does not add up.
Which is exactly the same sentence that can be applied to the case of the conspiracy theory. It doesn't add up.
minimoog said:
Good!The BBC have published his "apology" letter in full. Basically it says;
Me, me, me, me.......victim.....please look at poor little me, I'm, like, soooooooo sorry but it was actually someone else's fault, me, me, blah, blah, blah....
f
k off and get help with your personality disorder you juvenile idiot.
Apparently he only faces a maximum of 5 years if convicted in the US of conspiring with Manning.
Clearly he will serve less if he behaves himself.
He should just have grown a pair and faced up to his various accusations, and he could have served his time in the US and probably Sweden as well and still be out by now, even if he was found guilty of everything.
But he has spent 7 years, plus now another year, effectively locked up, purely because he tried to dodge justice.
It all seems incredibly silly.
Clearly he will serve less if he behaves himself.
He should just have grown a pair and faced up to his various accusations, and he could have served his time in the US and probably Sweden as well and still be out by now, even if he was found guilty of everything.
But he has spent 7 years, plus now another year, effectively locked up, purely because he tried to dodge justice.
It all seems incredibly silly.
Finlandia said:
If he sits a year in a UK prison, that probably means that all the Swedish cases expire.
Perhaps we can "lend" him to the Swedes so they can set the legal wheels in motion? Does it matter whether he spends the year in a Swedish jail or a British one? Then again, he'll only do half anyway.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff