Julian Assange loses extradition appeal at Supreme Court
Discussion
Assange is first and foremost a huge hypocrite for after exposing the contact details of thousands of American citizens through his 'journalism' he hid away at a friends house in Norfolk declaring he just wanted to be alone and people should respect his need for 'privacy'.
He didn't forego his own £200,000 when he jumped bail to go into the Ecuadorian Embassy - it was that of his 'friends' and supporters - friends which now have quite a different opinion of him.
One of the main reasons he was kicked out of the Ecuador Embassy was his and Wikileaks involvement in the 2016 US Election with the Ecuador Foreign Minister publicly stating this reason.
He refused to go and face sexual misdemeanour allegations in Sweden in the same way as he is trying not to face the allegations from America - he seems to think that laws don't apply to him and a UK Judge has also stated this view of him.
Assange is the idiot who has lost 10 years of his life locked up through his own decisions - all the talk about journalism and free speech is just a smoke screen to try and help Assange avoid answering allegations that he broke laws. He is the person who decided to jump bail and convince every court around the world that he can't be trusted to abide to bail conditions and the law.
He is not the (Journalist) Messiah, he is (alleged to be) just a very naughty boy.
Face the accusers, state your defence and have done with it. He may not have thrown ten years of his own life away if he had the courage of his convictions that what he was doing was truly responsible journalism.
He didn't forego his own £200,000 when he jumped bail to go into the Ecuadorian Embassy - it was that of his 'friends' and supporters - friends which now have quite a different opinion of him.
One of the main reasons he was kicked out of the Ecuador Embassy was his and Wikileaks involvement in the 2016 US Election with the Ecuador Foreign Minister publicly stating this reason.
He refused to go and face sexual misdemeanour allegations in Sweden in the same way as he is trying not to face the allegations from America - he seems to think that laws don't apply to him and a UK Judge has also stated this view of him.
Assange is the idiot who has lost 10 years of his life locked up through his own decisions - all the talk about journalism and free speech is just a smoke screen to try and help Assange avoid answering allegations that he broke laws. He is the person who decided to jump bail and convince every court around the world that he can't be trusted to abide to bail conditions and the law.
He is not the (Journalist) Messiah, he is (alleged to be) just a very naughty boy.
Face the accusers, state your defence and have done with it. He may not have thrown ten years of his own life away if he had the courage of his convictions that what he was doing was truly responsible journalism.
irc said:
tangerine_sedge said:
That's a possibility, but I think is reason enough for the US to ask for his extradition. Let's see where the evidence takes us...
Discussed in this article."Assange had offered to help Manning crack a password "hash," a form of scrambling designed to protect stored passwords from abuse. Hashing irreversibly converts a password into another string of characters, but hackers often use lists of pre-computed hashes from millions of passwords, known as rainbow tables, to search for a matching hash, revealing the hidden password.
In a pretrial hearing in Manning's case, prosecutors presented evidence that Manning had asked Assange—who was instant messaging with Manning under the name Nathaniel Frank—if he had experience cracking hashes. Assange allegedly responded that he possessed rainbow tables for that, and Manning sent him a hashed password string. According to Thursday's unsealed indictment, Assange followed up two days later asking for more information about the password, and writing that he'd had "no luck so far." "
https://www.wired.com/story/julian-assange-arrest-...
Second, Assange provided no more assistance than Google would have and - by the sounds of things - did not in fact crack the hash.
This idea of "possessing rainbow tables" sounds grand and specialised, but you can literally download them from all over the place. There's no "cracking" in this story - just trying endless password guesses against the hash.
The rest of that article points out how little this really amounts to. It is only thanks to some overly-broad language in the relevant Act that this is even an "offence" at all (it seems he cracked nothing, hacked nothing, etc.). There's a non-zero chance he'll walk entirely.
skwdenyer said:
The rest of that article points out how little this really amounts to. It is only thanks to some overly-broad language in the relevant Act that this is even an "offence" at all (it seems he cracked nothing, hacked nothing, etc.). There's a non-zero chance he'll walk entirely.
Which would be ironic if it meant he sentenced himself to years in that Embassy for nothing.McGee_22 said:
Assange is first and foremost a huge hypocrite for after exposing the contact details of thousands of American citizens through his 'journalism' he hid away at a friends house in Norfolk declaring he just wanted to be alone and people should respect his need for 'privacy'.
He didn't forego his own £200,000 when he jumped bail to go into the Ecuadorian Embassy - it was that of his 'friends' and supporters - friends which now have quite a different opinion of him.
One of the main reasons he was kicked out of the Ecuador Embassy was his and Wikileaks involvement in the 2016 US Election with the Ecuador Foreign Minister publicly stating this reason.
He refused to go and face sexual misdemeanour allegations in Sweden in the same way as he is trying not to face the allegations from America - he seems to think that laws don't apply to him and a UK Judge has also stated this view of him.
Assange is the idiot who has lost 10 years of his life locked up through his own decisions - all the talk about journalism and free speech is just a smoke screen to try and help Assange avoid answering allegations that he broke laws. He is the person who decided to jump bail and convince every court around the world that he can't be trusted to abide to bail conditions and the law.
He is not the (Journalist) Messiah, he is (alleged to be) just a very naughty boy.
Face the accusers, state your defence and have done with it. He may not have thrown ten years of his own life away if he had the courage of his convictions that what he was doing was truly responsible journalism.
Do you feel in any way that you might be playing the man rather than the ball?He didn't forego his own £200,000 when he jumped bail to go into the Ecuadorian Embassy - it was that of his 'friends' and supporters - friends which now have quite a different opinion of him.
One of the main reasons he was kicked out of the Ecuador Embassy was his and Wikileaks involvement in the 2016 US Election with the Ecuador Foreign Minister publicly stating this reason.
He refused to go and face sexual misdemeanour allegations in Sweden in the same way as he is trying not to face the allegations from America - he seems to think that laws don't apply to him and a UK Judge has also stated this view of him.
Assange is the idiot who has lost 10 years of his life locked up through his own decisions - all the talk about journalism and free speech is just a smoke screen to try and help Assange avoid answering allegations that he broke laws. He is the person who decided to jump bail and convince every court around the world that he can't be trusted to abide to bail conditions and the law.
He is not the (Journalist) Messiah, he is (alleged to be) just a very naughty boy.
Face the accusers, state your defence and have done with it. He may not have thrown ten years of his own life away if he had the courage of his convictions that what he was doing was truly responsible journalism.
Derek Smith said:
Do you feel in any way that you might be playing the man rather than the ball?
It's a thread about Assange and his loss of appeal against extradition and the history behind that - that is roundly my opinion of him, interspersed with some opinions from a Judge, some who were friends and now see him in a different light, and a broad stroke history of how he approaches laws and how he seems to believe they don't apply to him, or at least he shouldn't have to answer to them.On older versions of UNIX the hash was stored in the /etc/ passwd file, something that a user in the correct access group could easily see/copy. I don't know if the system being hacked was a variant of UNIX with this 'flaw', but I think it's likely.
The fact that Manning needed help with cracking this tells me that their hacking skills were not very high. Rainbow tables have been around for a long time and anyone who's been around the hacking/cracking scene for more than 5 minutes would have known how to get hold of/use them.
I think it's very likely that Manning needed help, it's whether the US 'feds' have the evidence of who provided that help. The communications show that Assange was approached, what evidence do they have that he actually helped? I don't know how the US law will approach the 'intent' of a failed attempt?
In my opinion, there is certainly enough there for Assange to be extradited, whether the US prosecutor gets it over the line will be a matter of law.
(interesting note, if I type /etc /passwd without the space between the etc and the forward slash then I get a 403 error when previewing or submitting the page!)
The fact that Manning needed help with cracking this tells me that their hacking skills were not very high. Rainbow tables have been around for a long time and anyone who's been around the hacking/cracking scene for more than 5 minutes would have known how to get hold of/use them.
I think it's very likely that Manning needed help, it's whether the US 'feds' have the evidence of who provided that help. The communications show that Assange was approached, what evidence do they have that he actually helped? I don't know how the US law will approach the 'intent' of a failed attempt?
In my opinion, there is certainly enough there for Assange to be extradited, whether the US prosecutor gets it over the line will be a matter of law.
(interesting note, if I type /etc /passwd without the space between the etc and the forward slash then I get a 403 error when previewing or submitting the page!)
tangerine_sedge said:
On older versions of UNIX the hash was stored in the /etc/ passwd file, something that a user in the correct access group could easily see/copy. I don't know if the system being hacked was a variant of UNIX with this 'flaw', but I think it's likely.
The fact that Manning needed help with cracking this tells me that their hacking skills were not very high. Rainbow tables have been around for a long time and anyone who's been around the hacking/cracking scene for more than 5 minutes would have known how to get hold of/use them.
I think it's very likely that Manning needed help, it's whether the US 'feds' have the evidence of who provided that help. The communications show that Assange was approached, what evidence do they have that he actually helped? I don't know how the US law will approach the 'intent' of a failed attempt?
In my opinion, there is certainly enough there for Assange to be extradited, whether the US prosecutor gets it over the line will be a matter of law.
(interesting note, if I type /etc /passwd without the space between the etc and the forward slash then I get a 403 error when previewing or submitting the page!)
I don’t buy that - /etc /shadow has been a thing since the 1980s. What was Manning hacking - a museum? The fact that Manning needed help with cracking this tells me that their hacking skills were not very high. Rainbow tables have been around for a long time and anyone who's been around the hacking/cracking scene for more than 5 minutes would have known how to get hold of/use them.
I think it's very likely that Manning needed help, it's whether the US 'feds' have the evidence of who provided that help. The communications show that Assange was approached, what evidence do they have that he actually helped? I don't know how the US law will approach the 'intent' of a failed attempt?
In my opinion, there is certainly enough there for Assange to be extradited, whether the US prosecutor gets it over the line will be a matter of law.
(interesting note, if I type /etc /passwd without the space between the etc and the forward slash then I get a 403 error when previewing or submitting the page!)
skwdenyer said:
tangerine_sedge said:
On older versions of UNIX the hash was stored in the /etc/ passwd file, something that a user in the correct access group could easily see/copy. I don't know if the system being hacked was a variant of UNIX with this 'flaw', but I think it's likely.
The fact that Manning needed help with cracking this tells me that their hacking skills were not very high. Rainbow tables have been around for a long time and anyone who's been around the hacking/cracking scene for more than 5 minutes would have known how to get hold of/use them.
I think it's very likely that Manning needed help, it's whether the US 'feds' have the evidence of who provided that help. The communications show that Assange was approached, what evidence do they have that he actually helped? I don't know how the US law will approach the 'intent' of a failed attempt?
In my opinion, there is certainly enough there for Assange to be extradited, whether the US prosecutor gets it over the line will be a matter of law.
(interesting note, if I type /etc /passwd without the space between the etc and the forward slash then I get a 403 error when previewing or submitting the page!)
I don’t buy that - /etc /shadow has been a thing since the 1980s. What was Manning hacking - a museum? The fact that Manning needed help with cracking this tells me that their hacking skills were not very high. Rainbow tables have been around for a long time and anyone who's been around the hacking/cracking scene for more than 5 minutes would have known how to get hold of/use them.
I think it's very likely that Manning needed help, it's whether the US 'feds' have the evidence of who provided that help. The communications show that Assange was approached, what evidence do they have that he actually helped? I don't know how the US law will approach the 'intent' of a failed attempt?
In my opinion, there is certainly enough there for Assange to be extradited, whether the US prosecutor gets it over the line will be a matter of law.
(interesting note, if I type /etc /passwd without the space between the etc and the forward slash then I get a 403 error when previewing or submitting the page!)
Just read a little more, it seems to have been a Microsoft account called 'ftp' which was a shared account (I assume to ftp files
) that he was trying to access. I dont know Microsoft security, so can't comment on how easy it was to do that.The original indictment has the detail, that assange and manning conspired to access a computer exceeding their authorized access, based on him knowing the access was unauthorized and actively taking steps to help manning obtain it: https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/...
It was NTLM hashes, but neither /etc/shadow nor NTLM hashes would be available to normal users so even having them is likely to indicate a CFAA breach.
It was NTLM hashes, but neither /etc/shadow nor NTLM hashes would be available to normal users so even having them is likely to indicate a CFAA breach.
tangerine_sedge said:
(interesting note, if I type /etc /passwd without the space between the etc and the forward slash then I get a 403 error when previewing or submitting the page!)
Interesting you write a detailed comment on the security ability at play yet fail to realise you triggered a web application firewall protecting pistonheads from someone trying to retrieve the comments of etc and thus rather than serve the page, it returned Forbidden 
Joshing with you. I agree with your conclusions
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