Are all Ukrainians dangerous racists?

Are all Ukrainians dangerous racists?

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torres del paine

1,588 posts

222 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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No surprise to me.

Backward, abrasive and insular (a significant minority that is) and openly racist over here too.

I've met some pretty ghastly Poles, Czechs, Russians and Estonians, who just cannot get their heads around multicultural Britian. Their views rise to the surface quickly and are on a par with Mein Kampf, base and massively bourne out of an inferiority complex.


Blue62

8,917 posts

153 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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Don't forget that much of the Eastern block spent the majority of the 20th century living in a vacuum, I doubt that their thinking in terms of racism has moved with the times, attitudes probably not a million miles away from the west in the 1920's. Hopefully, this football tournament will highlight the problems and kick start their Governments to do something about it.

Hooli

32,278 posts

201 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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PoleDriver said:
Thank god it's only football, it would be worse if it affected something important!
Indeed, just cancel the chavball & it's all sorted.

rohrl

8,746 posts

146 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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torres del paine said:
No surprise to me.

Backward, abrasive and insular (a significant minority that is) and openly racist over here too.

I've met some pretty ghastly Poles, Czechs, Russians and Estonians, who just cannot get their heads around multicultural Britian. Their views rise to the surface quickly and are on a par with Mein Kampf, base and massively bourne out of an inferiority complex.
It isn't just the Eastern Europeans. A friend of mine married an Israeli girl who couldn't understand that anyone might find her interchangability of the words "Palestinian", "Arab" and "Terrorist" crass and offensive.

Similarly I went out with a girl whose father had remarried a South African woman who already had an older son. When he came to the UK he just didn't understand that we thought of black and Asian people as equals rather than some kind of sub-species. He really thought that we were kidding him on.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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rohrl said:
torres del paine said:
No surprise to me.

Backward, abrasive and insular (a significant minority that is) and openly racist over here too.

I've met some pretty ghastly Poles, Czechs, Russians and Estonians, who just cannot get their heads around multicultural Britian. Their views rise to the surface quickly and are on a par with Mein Kampf, base and massively bourne out of an inferiority complex.
It isn't just the Eastern Europeans. A friend of mine married an Israeli girl who couldn't understand that anyone might find her interchangability of the words "Palestinian", "Arab" and "Terrorist" crass and offensive.

Similarly I went out with a girl whose father had remarried a South African woman who already had an older son. When he came to the UK he just didn't understand that we thought of black and Asian people as equals rather than some kind of sub-species. He really thought that we were kidding him on.
I suppose that really we could look on the bright side of all this and be pleased that attitudes in Britain have changed so much over the last 30-40 years, that we now regard behaviour like the above as backwards and offensive.

Murcielago_Boy

1,996 posts

240 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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torres del paine said:
No surprise to me.

Backward, abrasive and insular (a significant minority that is) and openly racist over here too.

I've met some pretty ghastly Poles, Czechs, Russians and Estonians, who just cannot get their heads around multicultural Britian. Their views rise to the surface quickly and are on a par with Mein Kampf, base and massively bourne out of an inferiority complex.
yes

One thing you've neglected in your very accurate description, is how readily violent they are and how little they care for human life.
I'll never step foot in Eastern Europe again if I can possibly help it. I've always found it to be NASTY part of the world - hell, a load of this lot were still slaughtering each other as recently as the 1990's.

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

263 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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NinjaPower said:
I suppose that really we could look on the bright side of all this and be pleased that attitudes in Britain have changed so much over the last 30-40 years, that we now regard behaviour like the above as backwards and offensive.
yes there are problems, I will admit. But at the most it's a very small % of the various groups that are at it.

At the end of the day almost everyone wants to live in peace and have some prosperity for their children's future.

Hoofy

76,425 posts

283 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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Well, I hear it's really kicked off out there now!!

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

256 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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vonuber said:
Never understood Neo-nazis in Eastern Europe. What are they going to do, exterminate themselves?
Quite often see swastikas on buildings, and the like, and you still can find many vendors selling 'white power' t-shirts in the markets.

Edited by TheHeretic on Friday 8th June 18:35

Pothole

34,367 posts

283 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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Hooli said:
PoleDriver said:
Thank god it's only football, it would be worse if it affected something important!
Indeed, just cancel the chavball & it's all sorted.
That's a fabulous word you've invented. Well done.

Hooli

32,278 posts

201 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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Pothole said:
Hooli said:
PoleDriver said:
Thank god it's only football, it would be worse if it affected something important!
Indeed, just cancel the chavball & it's all sorted.
That's a fabulous word you've invented. Well done.
I can't take credit for it, I believe it came from Red Leicester. Thanks anyway thumbup

bobbylondonuk

2,199 posts

191 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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In my experience...the UK is the most inclusive and accomodating society in the world. Eastern Europe has a problem of racism and I know quite a few asian people who have travelled there who feel very intimidated and would never go there again. No one will do anything about the Euro until a few foreign fans get hurt. That is when teams will withdraw from the tournament and Uefa will look like tts.

Pothole

34,367 posts

283 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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bobbylondonuk said:
In my experience...the UK is the most inclusive and accomodating society in the world. Eastern Europe has a problem of racism and I know quite a few asian people who have travelled there who feel very intimidated and would never go there again. No one will do anything about the Euro until a few foreign fans get hurt. That is when teams will withdraw from the tournament and Uefa will look like bigger tts.
EFA

Zaxxon

4,057 posts

161 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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I wouldn't be lumping the Czechs in with that lot. I have spent a fair bit of time over there in CZ and found the people to be very friendly and decent people.

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

168 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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Having the European Championship in eastern Europe will certainly bring it out into the open. It will be interesting to see how it is dealt with.

Randy Winkman

16,221 posts

190 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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NinjaPower said:
I suppose that really we could look on the bright side of all this and be pleased that attitudes in Britain have changed so much over the last 30-40 years, that we now regard behaviour like the above as backwards and offensive.
I get the impression that a lot of people on this site hate it though.

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

256 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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Randy Winkman said:
I get the impression that a lot of people on this site hate it though.
Hate what? That people aren't as racist as they used to be? Really? What makes you say that?

12gauge

1,274 posts

175 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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Any actual video footage and arrests?

Until then i'll assume its nothing other than the BBC defaming the polish and ukrainian people.

scenario8

6,579 posts

180 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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When you ask is there any video footage and arrests I assume you mean footage other than the footage of the "fans" punching seven shades of, er, stuff, out of the non-white fans and by arrests I assume you missed the part that the punchers were completely and deliberately ignored by the stewards and the Police attending.

Overt racism, extreme right wing politics and violence is much more common and obvious at football stadia across eastern Europe than it is in the UK.

Rollcage

11,327 posts

193 months

Friday 8th June 2012
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Hoofy said:
Well, I hear it's really kicked off out there now!!
smile Just me on that one Hoofy!