Who to believe - Brown or Brooks?

Who to believe - Brown or Brooks?

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rfisher

5,024 posts

284 months

Monday 11th June 2012
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Deliberate, wreckless, spiteful, hatrated fuelled massive spending in the last few months of government, when the largest recession for 70 years is obviously on the horizon, is criminal.

The man should be in prison.

If you did that in a corporate environment you would be held to account for your actions.

He knew he would get away with it and fked the taxpayers and the country for personal gratification.

Forget prison, he should be punished appropriately.

Steve Zodiac

314 posts

144 months

Monday 11th June 2012
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DonkeyApple said:
Two things about Brown today.

Firstly, I don't believe he told a single truth.

Secondly, I'm not entirely convinced he is aware of this.

I think he is mentally ill. He has wasted his entire life with an intent drive to change Britain into a utopian state of equality that his mind cannot cope with the abject waste and failure he has made of his life and is protecting itself from reality by operating within a wholly delusional state.

His entire political career he was a dishonest, driven, violent, angry zealot. I believe that since 08 he is a genuinely broken wreck.
In total agreement, Brown is a despicable person that will be long remembered for his incompetence.


The Hypno-Toad

12,293 posts

206 months

Monday 11th June 2012
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Steve Zodiac said:
DonkeyApple said:
Two things about Brown today.

Firstly, I don't believe he told a single truth.

Secondly, I'm not entirely convinced he is aware of this.

I think he is mentally ill. He has wasted his entire life with an intent drive to change Britain into a utopian state of equality that his mind cannot cope with the abject waste and failure he has made of his life and is protecting itself from reality by operating within a wholly delusional state.

His entire political career he was a dishonest, driven, violent, angry zealot. I believe that since 08 he is a genuinely broken wreck.
In total agreement, Brown is a despicable person that will be long remembered for his incompetence.
+1

Don't forget the fact that he has only attended parliament about five times since the last election.
And one of them was to gloat with that terrible Cheshire Cat grin of his, about the contract for the two aircraft carriers that he had made sure would cost more to cancel then to build. The two aircraft carriers that will mainly be assembled by workers in shipyards in his nice safe seat.

I loathe the man. We might be in a mess now but the mess we would be in if he had got a second term does not bear thinking about. The damage he has done to this country could take decades to repair and some of it we might never be able to fix.

IforB

9,840 posts

230 months

Monday 11th June 2012
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Looks like my faith in the open mindedness and rational thought of PH'ers has been proven correct again...

The Black Flash

13,735 posts

199 months

Monday 11th June 2012
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IforB said:
Brown may have been a useless so and so, but I wouldn't say he was a dishonest man.
Seriously? Someone wasn't paying attention.

matchmaker

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8,502 posts

201 months

Monday 11th June 2012
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IforB said:
Looks like my faith in the open mindedness and rational thought of PH'ers has been proven correct again...
yesyes

whoami

13,151 posts

241 months

Monday 11th June 2012
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IforB said:
Looks like my faith in the open mindedness and rational thought of PH'ers has been proven correct again...
I'm genuinely not sure whether you are on a wind up or not?

fido

16,823 posts

256 months

Monday 11th June 2012
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thinfourth2 said:
All hail the bankers
Well that's what Brown did for most of his career, his 'light touch regulation' leading to the failures of HBOS and several major lending institutions. Except he doesn't make a mention of this in his dishonest book - not even a hint. Dishonest is too nice a word.

Oilchange

8,483 posts

261 months

Monday 11th June 2012
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I honestly don't get all this sympathy for Brown. He did to the UK economy what Saddam Hussein did to Iraq before the invasion. He's a spiteful worm of a man and he should be locked up.

nelly1

5,630 posts

232 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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whoami said:
Derek Smith said:
Churchill was less than stable mentally.
Are you comparing Brown to Churchill?

IforB

9,840 posts

230 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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whoami said:
I'm genuinely not sure whether you are on a wind up or not?
Obviously because I'm not calling for abrown's head on a stick, therefore I'm on a wind up...

So no, I'm not on a wind up, you seem to be able to wind yourself into a frenzy all on your own without my help.

I see Brown as a weak man who thought he was tough, but couldn't make the big calls when he needed to. He made stupid, reactive decisions and engineered his own downfall. I also think he told a couple of porkies during his questioning yesterday. However, compared to Brooks and the Murdochs, well, would you trust them over anything? They're fighting for their lives and reputations and I don't put it past them to play very dirty, especially as they've already proven themselves to be moral vacuums.


IforB

9,840 posts

230 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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Oilchange said:
I honestly don't get all this sympathy for Brown. He did to the UK economy what Saddam Hussein did to Iraq before the invasion. He's a spiteful worm of a man and he should be locked up.
What total and utter hyperbolic nonsense.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

205 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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fido said:
thinfourth2 said:
All hail the bankers
Well that's what Brown did for most of his career, his 'light touch regulation' leading to the failures of HBOS and several major lending institutions. Except he doesn't make a mention of this in his dishonest book - not even a hint. Dishonest is too nice a word.
Look get with the program

The bankers are perfect

It was Brown with his mind control beam that forced them to take stupid risks

DonkeyApple

55,505 posts

170 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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thinfourth2 said:
Look get with the program

The bankers are perfect

It was Brown with his mind control beam that forced them to take stupid risks
Bankers are imperfect. Same as everyone else. The difference is that their errors can impact on all of us. Hence the huge importance of regulation.

There has never been a case in history that when you deregulate finance you achieve an economic boom followed by banking failure.

GB knew exactly what he was doing when he removed the B of E from regulating the banks. He was a control freak and he wanted control of the banks and to remove regulation to stimulate an economic boom.

In regards to his dishonesty, I don't believe for one minute that it is the same kind of open, deliberate dishonesty that Blair is responsible for. No, with Brown it is the kind of dishonesty that comes from a 'true believer' on a devout mission where he is right and everyone else is wrong.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

205 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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DonkeyApple said:
Bankers are imperfect. Same as everyone else.
Stone the heretic


Derek Smith

45,764 posts

249 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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The Hypno-Toad said:
Don't forget the fact that he has only attended parliament about five times since the last election.
Your point being . . ?

Bingo1976

41 posts

144 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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Derek Smith said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
Don't forget the fact that he has only attended parliament about five times since the last election.
Your point being . . ?
How many of us would still be employed if we did not discharge one of our key work duties more than 5 times in 2 years?

turbobloke

104,089 posts

261 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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Derek Smith said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
Don't forget the fact that he has only attended parliament about five times since the last election.

Your point being . . ?
Probably, though THT will doubtless answer as well, that Gordo is getting his MP salary for basically not being an MP, or at best half of one, some might not describe that as a particularly honest way of conducting yourself. Not that this is to be expected of an MP, but it would be a refreshing change.

Brown's unofficial biographer was on TV this morning telling it as it is. The presenters didn't like it, not helped by one being married to a former editor of the LabourList website / originator of the Blairite Progress outfit / Lobbygate participant / Mandelson gofer and the other thinking they're the news rather than a presenter of it.

DonkeyApple

55,505 posts

170 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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thinfourth2 said:
Stone the heretic
A lovely thought but I find it just makes me too lethargic these days. smile

Derek Smith

45,764 posts

249 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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Bingo1976 said:
Derek Smith said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
Don't forget the fact that he has only attended parliament about five times since the last election.
Your point being . . ?
How many of us would still be employed if we did not discharge one of our key work duties more than 5 times in 2 years?
You missed my point, which was that would anyone really want him in parliament.

Sorry to be so vague.

It's Major today. I've got a great deal of respect for the bloke, ERM aside. Had it not been for the madness of the backbenchers and all of his cabinet having it off with anyone more or less alive, not to mention the shield of truth fiasco, I feel we would not have had Blair.

He presided over a government that had a 'last day of term' mentality. I voted for labour in 97 but only because the tories were an unelectable rabble.