Who to believe - Brown or Brooks?
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rohrl said:
Steve Zodiac said:
Serious question?? Really?
Gordon Brown has been called so many things,.. I'm betting 'McBrown' is one of the nicest!
Serious question. I'm not interested in what other people have said, I'm asking you why you chose to type "McBrown".Gordon Brown has been called so many things,.. I'm betting 'McBrown' is one of the nicest!
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Calling Brown "McBrown" is just puerile isn't it?
It's not a secret that he's Scottish. He's never sought to change his accent, unlike Blair or any number of public-school educated Scottish Conservatives.
As I said before I think there is valid criticism of Brown both as a politician and a man and there is illegitimate criticism which crosses the line and reflects badly on the poster. Anyone who used the "Winky" nickname really needs to take a look at themselves.
I can't stand tribal politics basically. Argue the issues or f
k off and let the adults argue the issues on their own.
It's not a secret that he's Scottish. He's never sought to change his accent, unlike Blair or any number of public-school educated Scottish Conservatives.
As I said before I think there is valid criticism of Brown both as a politician and a man and there is illegitimate criticism which crosses the line and reflects badly on the poster. Anyone who used the "Winky" nickname really needs to take a look at themselves.
I can't stand tribal politics basically. Argue the issues or f
k off and let the adults argue the issues on their own.rohrl said:
Calling Brown "McBrown" is just puerile isn't it?
It's not a secret that he's Scottish. He's never sought to change his accent, unlike Blair or any number of public-school educated Scottish Conservatives.
As I said before I think there is valid criticism of Brown both as a politician and a man and there is illegitimate criticism which crosses the line and reflects badly on the poster. Anyone who used the "Winky" nickname really needs to take a look at themselves.
I can't stand tribal politics basically. Argue the issues or fk off and let the adults argue the issues on their own.
Oh, I see, your question was just to set that little rant up was it? How clever of you.It's not a secret that he's Scottish. He's never sought to change his accent, unlike Blair or any number of public-school educated Scottish Conservatives.
As I said before I think there is valid criticism of Brown both as a politician and a man and there is illegitimate criticism which crosses the line and reflects badly on the poster. Anyone who used the "Winky" nickname really needs to take a look at themselves.
I can't stand tribal politics basically. Argue the issues or f
k off and let the adults argue the issues on their own.And don't tell me what to do..Thanks
Incapability Brown is one of my favourites. Possibly a dig at his gardening expenses ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/12/nic... ).
Edited by fido on Tuesday 12th June 16:20
rohrl said:
Calling Brown "McBrown" is just puerile isn't it?
It's not a secret that he's Scottish. He's never sought to change his accent, unlike Blair or any number of public-school educated Scottish Conservatives.
As I said before I think there is valid criticism of Brown both as a politician and a man and there is illegitimate criticism which crosses the line and reflects badly on the poster. Anyone who used the "Winky" nickname really needs to take a look at themselves.
I can't stand tribal politics basically. Argue the issues or fk off and let the adults argue the issues on their own.
You say all this while having a go at the education of conservatives when Labour have public school educated people in the shadow cabinet with only one that hasn't been to university.It's not a secret that he's Scottish. He's never sought to change his accent, unlike Blair or any number of public-school educated Scottish Conservatives.
As I said before I think there is valid criticism of Brown both as a politician and a man and there is illegitimate criticism which crosses the line and reflects badly on the poster. Anyone who used the "Winky" nickname really needs to take a look at themselves.
I can't stand tribal politics basically. Argue the issues or f
k off and let the adults argue the issues on their own.Says alot for being the party of the "working class"
Like you say your criticism should be about policy NOT education. If you set standards you should live by them.
When YOU start brown will no longer be McBrown and Labour won't be Liabore or NuLabia to me, but until you do they will be.
P.S Brown did an awful lot to change his image including trying to tone down his accent.
Trying to pick the least honest out of Brown, Murdoch and Brooks is a very tricky one. I'm not entirely sure what Brown would have to gain from lying here, his points were quite reasonable in that a parent would not consent to their sons medical condition making front pages and Murdoch's claim of Brown 'declaring war' are unsubstantiated at best.
Murdoch and Brooks strike me as rather slimey, vile individuals who are a waste of blood and oxygen.
Murdoch and Brooks strike me as rather slimey, vile individuals who are a waste of blood and oxygen.
wollowizard said:
You say all this while having a go at the education of conservatives when Labour have public school educated people in the shadow cabinet with only one that hasn't been to university.
Says alot for being the party of the "working class"
Like you say your criticism should be about policy NOT education. If you set standards you should live by them.
When YOU start brown will no longer be McBrown and Labour won't be Liabore or NuLabia to me, but until you do they will be.
P.S Brown did an awful lot to change his image including trying to tone down his accent.
I'm not sure which post you read but I have deliberately avoided being partisan and have many times now stated that I am not a supporter of Brown or a fan of his performance as PM.Says alot for being the party of the "working class"
Like you say your criticism should be about policy NOT education. If you set standards you should live by them.
When YOU start brown will no longer be McBrown and Labour won't be Liabore or NuLabia to me, but until you do they will be.
P.S Brown did an awful lot to change his image including trying to tone down his accent.
I wouldn't be that surprised if Brown's accent has softened seeing as he's mainly lived in London for the past thirty years. He has obviously never made any great conscious effort to change it though as is obvious by listening to him.
You go ahead and use Liarbore, NuLabia, whatever you like. Just be aware that others will make negative judgements about the worth of your opinion if you do so.
rohrl said:
wollowizard said:
You say all this while having a go at the education of conservatives when Labour have public school educated people in the shadow cabinet with only one that hasn't been to university.
Says alot for being the party of the "working class"
Like you say your criticism should be about policy NOT education. If you set standards you should live by them.
When YOU start brown will no longer be McBrown and Labour won't be Liabore or NuLabia to me, but until you do they will be.
P.S Brown did an awful lot to change his image including trying to tone down his accent.
I'm not sure which post you read but I have deliberately avoided being partisan and have many times now stated that I am not a supporter of Brown or a fan of his performance as PM.Says alot for being the party of the "working class"
Like you say your criticism should be about policy NOT education. If you set standards you should live by them.
When YOU start brown will no longer be McBrown and Labour won't be Liabore or NuLabia to me, but until you do they will be.
P.S Brown did an awful lot to change his image including trying to tone down his accent.
I wouldn't be that surprised if Brown's accent has softened seeing as he's mainly lived in London for the past thirty years. He has obviously never made any great conscious effort to change it though as is obvious by listening to him.
You go ahead and use Liarbore, NuLabia, whatever you like. Just be aware that others will make negative judgements about the worth of your opinion if you do so.
Have a look at you tube and see how strong Brown accent is in 1997 compared to 2010, nothing to do with 30 years it softened most in the last three years.
ETA by 2010 it was hard to tell he was scotish.
Edited by wollowizard on Tuesday 12th June 16:51
wollowizard said:
It is the same when you use peoples education instead of policy, people will make negative judgements about the worth of your opinion if they do so.
Have a look at you tube and see how strong Brown accent is in 1997 compared to 2010, nothing to do with 30 years it softened most in the last three years.
I wasn't "having a go" at anyone's education. I was having a go at people who try to make an issue out of the fact that Gordon Brown is Scottish while completely ignoring the number of Scottish Conservatives in the parliamentary Conservative party. Michael Gove (Grammar educated, like Brown) doesn't seem to get the McGove treatment.Have a look at you tube and see how strong Brown accent is in 1997 compared to 2010, nothing to do with 30 years it softened most in the last three years.
My wife's accent has softend remarkably in less than a year of living down south. I picked up a bit of an Aussie twang when I worked out there for 2 years (fortunately it disappeared when I came back to civilisation...)
It happens. Middle class Scots tend to have accents as far removed from Rab C Nesbitt as I do. Brown is no different.
There are plenty of reasons to have a go at Brown, banging on about his accent is not one of them.
It happens. Middle class Scots tend to have accents as far removed from Rab C Nesbitt as I do. Brown is no different.
There are plenty of reasons to have a go at Brown, banging on about his accent is not one of them.
rohrl said:
wollowizard said:
It is the same when you use peoples education instead of policy, people will make negative judgements about the worth of your opinion if they do so.
Have a look at you tube and see how strong Brown accent is in 1997 compared to 2010, nothing to do with 30 years it softened most in the last three years.
I wasn't "having a go" at anyone's education. I was having a go at people who try to make an issue out of the fact that Gordon Brown is Scottish while completely ignoring the number of Scottish Conservatives in the parliamentary Conservative party. Michael Gove (Grammar educated, like Brown) doesn't seem to get the McGove treatment.Have a look at you tube and see how strong Brown accent is in 1997 compared to 2010, nothing to do with 30 years it softened most in the last three years.
But major and Thatcher got plenty of stick, you only have to think of spitting image to see that. In fact when their names are mentioned it tends to be the spitting image puppet that are better remembered
Those in power will be a target for ridicule for and from all parties.
wollowizard said:
I would say that Gove is hardly a popular/well known figure, most of the population wouldn't even have heard of him.
What?He's Secretary of State for Education and has been for the past two years. I'm not sure the UK population are quite as diengaged from politics as you think they are.
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