Tom Maynard RIP
Discussion
BrabusMog said:
Luke. said:
rohrl said:
I'm not going to mourn someone who was prepared to go driving when he was four times the limit and on cocaine and ecstasy. Write to Points of View if you're so bothered.
I'm not sure it's televised any more.Wail said:
Teammates and good friends Jade Dernbach and Rory Hamilton-Brown told the inquest they had no idea Mr Maynard was a habitual cocaine and class A drug user.
Coroner Dr Fiona Wilcox said: 'I understood the evidence to show that, certainly in the past three-and-a-half months, Mr Maynard had used cocaine on a daily basis'.
Mr Dernbach replied: 'I wasn't aware of that.'
Club captain Mr Hamilton-Brown, who lived with Mr Maynard and had known him since school, said there were no signs of him acting out of the ordinary.
'I always had him down as someone who I was jealous of his ability to combine highs and lows and manage to stay level', he said.
'I always had him down as a very level headed guy.'
The three cricketers had gone to a pub after the game on June 17, continued drinking at Mr Hamilton-Brown's home he shared with Mr Maynard, then headed to a club at around midnight.
The inquest heard Mr Maynard drank four beers, two shots, and as many as ten vodka red bulls in the session which concluded back at his home after the club. He was spotted leaving the house at around 3.15am to drive to see Ms Baker.
Mr Maynard was drunk but no more than anyone else in the party, said Mr Hamilton-Brown. Both he and Mr Dernbach denied seeing Mr Maynard taking drugs that night or knowing he had a drug habit.
Rigggght.Coroner Dr Fiona Wilcox said: 'I understood the evidence to show that, certainly in the past three-and-a-half months, Mr Maynard had used cocaine on a daily basis'.
Mr Dernbach replied: 'I wasn't aware of that.'
Club captain Mr Hamilton-Brown, who lived with Mr Maynard and had known him since school, said there were no signs of him acting out of the ordinary.
'I always had him down as someone who I was jealous of his ability to combine highs and lows and manage to stay level', he said.
'I always had him down as a very level headed guy.'
The three cricketers had gone to a pub after the game on June 17, continued drinking at Mr Hamilton-Brown's home he shared with Mr Maynard, then headed to a club at around midnight.
The inquest heard Mr Maynard drank four beers, two shots, and as many as ten vodka red bulls in the session which concluded back at his home after the club. He was spotted leaving the house at around 3.15am to drive to see Ms Baker.
Mr Maynard was drunk but no more than anyone else in the party, said Mr Hamilton-Brown. Both he and Mr Dernbach denied seeing Mr Maynard taking drugs that night or knowing he had a drug habit.
One things for sure, those pair had better be keeping their noses clean now.
5pen said:
Daily cocaine use for 3+ months? He obviously wasn't too concerned about the chances of a positive drug test interrupting his career. Does county cricket have a drug testing regime?
How many days of those previous 3 months had he also driven on?I'm not too far off Rhol's position on this, pretty hard to have sympathy for this idiot, it was surely just a matter of time before somebody else paid for his stupidity.
5pen said:
Daily cocaine use for 3+ months? He obviously wasn't too concerned about the chances of a positive drug test interrupting his career. Does county cricket have a drug testing regime?
Im sure I heard earlier that there about 200 in-season drug tests had been carried out, meaning that around 40% of county cricketers had been tested.Apologies if the figures are wrong but I remember thinking when I heard it that it wasn't very many at all.
hornetrider said:
Wail said:
Teammates and good friends Jade Dernbach and Rory Hamilton-Brown told the inquest they had no idea Mr Maynard was a habitual cocaine and class A drug user.
Coroner Dr Fiona Wilcox said: 'I understood the evidence to show that, certainly in the past three-and-a-half months, Mr Maynard had used cocaine on a daily basis'.
Mr Dernbach replied: 'I wasn't aware of that.'
Club captain Mr Hamilton-Brown, who lived with Mr Maynard and had known him since school, said there were no signs of him acting out of the ordinary.
'I always had him down as someone who I was jealous of his ability to combine highs and lows and manage to stay level', he said.
'I always had him down as a very level headed guy.'
The three cricketers had gone to a pub after the game on June 17, continued drinking at Mr Hamilton-Brown's home he shared with Mr Maynard, then headed to a club at around midnight.
The inquest heard Mr Maynard drank four beers, two shots, and as many as ten vodka red bulls in the session which concluded back at his home after the club. He was spotted leaving the house at around 3.15am to drive to see Ms Baker.
Mr Maynard was drunk but no more than anyone else in the party, said Mr Hamilton-Brown. Both he and Mr Dernbach denied seeing Mr Maynard taking drugs that night or knowing he had a drug habit.
Rigggght.Coroner Dr Fiona Wilcox said: 'I understood the evidence to show that, certainly in the past three-and-a-half months, Mr Maynard had used cocaine on a daily basis'.
Mr Dernbach replied: 'I wasn't aware of that.'
Club captain Mr Hamilton-Brown, who lived with Mr Maynard and had known him since school, said there were no signs of him acting out of the ordinary.
'I always had him down as someone who I was jealous of his ability to combine highs and lows and manage to stay level', he said.
'I always had him down as a very level headed guy.'
The three cricketers had gone to a pub after the game on June 17, continued drinking at Mr Hamilton-Brown's home he shared with Mr Maynard, then headed to a club at around midnight.
The inquest heard Mr Maynard drank four beers, two shots, and as many as ten vodka red bulls in the session which concluded back at his home after the club. He was spotted leaving the house at around 3.15am to drive to see Ms Baker.
Mr Maynard was drunk but no more than anyone else in the party, said Mr Hamilton-Brown. Both he and Mr Dernbach denied seeing Mr Maynard taking drugs that night or knowing he had a drug habit.
One things for sure, those pair had better be keeping their noses clean now.
Seriously, sad for the family and friends of the chap. At least no-one else (apart from the train driver) was dragged into this sorry mess.
Seems that testing in cricket only tests for performance enhancing drugs and not recreational ones. In addition they seem to only test on match days. Strangely they are now seeking to change this and test out of matches and for social drugs.
According to the Standard his girlfriend told him not to drive believing he might be planning to come and see her. Personally I have no sympathy for him as he is a toal idiot.
However feel sorry for the train driver and his family.
According to the Standard his girlfriend told him not to drive believing he might be planning to come and see her. Personally I have no sympathy for him as he is a toal idiot.
However feel sorry for the train driver and his family.
mattnunn said:
R5 are doing a special on him tonight, lot's of people from the world of cricket professing what a great talent he was and his larger than life character.
Larger than life?Ever spoken to someone while they are high on coke?
They talk garbage.
Purile rubbish.
And every sentence they speak, they think is as if Plato >not jason< were speaking himself.
Poor guy, awful for the family.
Addiction is an illness, to be treated, not hated.
Sorry for the uncharacteristically long post.
Many will tend to veer towards flippancy as the unpalatable truth finds it's way out of this inquest. Fair enough, if my family were hurt by a drunk or drug driver I'd be pretty black and white on the issue.
But there are those who had some level of emotional investment in Tom Maynard. -I'm a Glamorgan fan and watched Tom's dad, Matthew play through the late 80's and 90's. He was a hero, exuded a kind of Clint Eastwood, gunslinger cool with the bat which was great to watch. Largely ignored by the old-school selectors, he should have played more for England. When it transpired that he had a talented, clean hitting son coming through the ranks, may fans eagerly awaited his arrival on the scene. Unfortunately, the boardroom acrimony that saw (now coach) Maynard senior leave Glamorgan also saw 'Tommy boy' follow suit and depart to Surrey, just as he was getting really good. So, many Glamorgan fans like myself who were saddened to see him leave, still watched keenly from the sidelines to see whether he could achieve what his old man never quite managed.
And then came the sad news last June. No one can gloss over the moral wrongs or dangerous decision he made that day. But those who follow cricket may well look at some of the deeper issues. A number of top flight cricketers have come out as suffering poor, career threatening mental health, anxiety and depression. The governing bodies lag behind as ever. Young blokes in macho cultures are prone to bottling feelings up and 'self medicating' when things get tough. There is something about a sport which pays well when you're established at the top of the world game, but unlike football, even being on the margins still risks obscurity and little to fall back on. Long periods are spent away from home -not always in nice parts of the world, or even the UK. Cricket is not a settled world sport at the moment where many top players feel torn between traditional national team loyalties and 'freelancing' for big money T20 franchises. Tom may have been only a couple of years away from $1m IPL deals and global stardom. But above all he was ostensibly a decent lad by all accounts.
So you won't find me applauding (for example) Edwina Currie's sour faced, attention whoring, sub-tabloid tweeting. There's the story of a drink driver, the loss to the English county game, a tinge of my own personal sadness but also a sense that his death may have been a symptom of a world sport experiencing some powerful and difficult undercurrents.
Many will tend to veer towards flippancy as the unpalatable truth finds it's way out of this inquest. Fair enough, if my family were hurt by a drunk or drug driver I'd be pretty black and white on the issue.
But there are those who had some level of emotional investment in Tom Maynard. -I'm a Glamorgan fan and watched Tom's dad, Matthew play through the late 80's and 90's. He was a hero, exuded a kind of Clint Eastwood, gunslinger cool with the bat which was great to watch. Largely ignored by the old-school selectors, he should have played more for England. When it transpired that he had a talented, clean hitting son coming through the ranks, may fans eagerly awaited his arrival on the scene. Unfortunately, the boardroom acrimony that saw (now coach) Maynard senior leave Glamorgan also saw 'Tommy boy' follow suit and depart to Surrey, just as he was getting really good. So, many Glamorgan fans like myself who were saddened to see him leave, still watched keenly from the sidelines to see whether he could achieve what his old man never quite managed.
And then came the sad news last June. No one can gloss over the moral wrongs or dangerous decision he made that day. But those who follow cricket may well look at some of the deeper issues. A number of top flight cricketers have come out as suffering poor, career threatening mental health, anxiety and depression. The governing bodies lag behind as ever. Young blokes in macho cultures are prone to bottling feelings up and 'self medicating' when things get tough. There is something about a sport which pays well when you're established at the top of the world game, but unlike football, even being on the margins still risks obscurity and little to fall back on. Long periods are spent away from home -not always in nice parts of the world, or even the UK. Cricket is not a settled world sport at the moment where many top players feel torn between traditional national team loyalties and 'freelancing' for big money T20 franchises. Tom may have been only a couple of years away from $1m IPL deals and global stardom. But above all he was ostensibly a decent lad by all accounts.
So you won't find me applauding (for example) Edwina Currie's sour faced, attention whoring, sub-tabloid tweeting. There's the story of a drink driver, the loss to the English county game, a tinge of my own personal sadness but also a sense that his death may have been a symptom of a world sport experiencing some powerful and difficult undercurrents.
Edited by captainzep on Wednesday 27th February 19:18
What a tragic case.
I am not defending Tom Maynard's decision to get in his car while out of his head on coke and booze. His behaviour was grossly irresponsible and he could have killed someone.
He was only 23, however. We all made serious mistakes and did completely stupid things when we were young. I certainly did. Unlike Maynard, I got away with it. I lived to tell the tale and to grow older and wiser.
'There but for the grace of God', as my Grandfather used to say.
I am not defending Tom Maynard's decision to get in his car while out of his head on coke and booze. His behaviour was grossly irresponsible and he could have killed someone.
He was only 23, however. We all made serious mistakes and did completely stupid things when we were young. I certainly did. Unlike Maynard, I got away with it. I lived to tell the tale and to grow older and wiser.
'There but for the grace of God', as my Grandfather used to say.
Edited by Bradgate on Wednesday 27th February 19:32
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