Discussion
Fittster said:
It is a fact that the pressure in the taxpayer is unsustainable. With an aging population the politicians are totally clueless as to what to do. Frankly so am I currently there is no easy fix.But the constant fall back on the taxpayer is clearly unsustainable. Bit of a conundrum really.
thinfourth2 said:
Please give me the option to have a nice cyanide sandwich before i end up needing a care home
I for one would welcome the choice of being 'put to sleep' when my quality of life eventually goes down the pan. I worry about suffering the indignity of being cared for in old age, probably by people who don't really care and can't speak a word of English. The thought of being at the mercy of the state makes me shudder...chris watton said:
I for one would welcome the choice of being 'put to sleep' when my quality of life eventually goes down the pan. I worry about suffering the indignity of being cared for in old age, probably by people who don't really care and can't speak a word of English. The thought of being at the mercy of the state makes me shudder...
You say that now, I bet you change your mind as you grow older.chris watton said:
thinfourth2 said:
Please give me the option to have a nice cyanide sandwich before i end up needing a care home
I for one would welcome the choice of being 'put to sleep' when my quality of life eventually goes down the pan. I worry about suffering the indignity of being cared for in old age, probably by people who don't really care and can't speak a word of English. The thought of being at the mercy of the state makes me shudder...The inquest currently going on of a 22 year old who died (at the hands of total incompetence) is a good example. The coroner had such grave concern she referred it to the police.
The nurse who said 'Have you finished, can I bag him up?' What a caring soul.
F unbelievable. This country is sinking in its own excrement.
http://www.bioedge.org/index.php/bioethics/bioethi...
dandarez said:
chris watton said:
thinfourth2 said:
Please give me the option to have a nice cyanide sandwich before i end up needing a care home
I for one would welcome the choice of being 'put to sleep' when my quality of life eventually goes down the pan. I worry about suffering the indignity of being cared for in old age, probably by people who don't really care and can't speak a word of English. The thought of being at the mercy of the state makes me shudder...The inquest currently going on of a 22 year old who died (at the hands of total incompetence) is a good example. The coroner had such grave concern she referred it to the police.
The nurse who said 'Have you finished, can I bag him up?' What a caring soul.
F unbelievable. This country is sinking in its own excrement.
http://www.bioedge.org/index.php/bioethics/bioethi...
chris watton said:
I for one would welcome the choice of being 'put to sleep' when my quality of life eventually goes down the pan. I worry about suffering the indignity of being cared for in old age, probably by people who don't really care and can't speak a word of English. The thought of being at the mercy of the state makes me shudder...
One stat I have seen says that only 4% of the over 65s are in care homes.By the time you end up in one you haven't got long left in other words and many will die before ever going into one, so it is not something I particularly worry about.
Edited by JagLover on Saturday 7th July 12:02
Unfortunately the problems for the UK, and indeed the western world seem yto be worsening. The aging population being only one facet of that.
I cannot see any easy answers and modern politicians do not face or admit difficult problems ir decisions. In consequence I can see no hope of either structured change or even real recognition of the inherent problems. With an aging population that has worked out all the natural resources our leaders will cheerfully ignore this as they fail to deal with excessive benefits and the banks being the epitome of greed and avarice.
I am naturally an optimist but only a complete dreamer, could see this being resolve. It will not be.
I cannot see any easy answers and modern politicians do not face or admit difficult problems ir decisions. In consequence I can see no hope of either structured change or even real recognition of the inherent problems. With an aging population that has worked out all the natural resources our leaders will cheerfully ignore this as they fail to deal with excessive benefits and the banks being the epitome of greed and avarice.
I am naturally an optimist but only a complete dreamer, could see this being resolve. It will not be.
JagLover said:
One stat I have said says that only 4% of the over 65s are in care homes.
By the time you end up in one you haven't got long left in other words and many will die before ever going into one, so it is not something I particularly worry about.
Well, certainly my aunts and uncles are in their 70s and still well-able to look after themselves. My dad (in his 70s and currently going through a course of chemo) still mows his lawn and we caught him up a tree cutting down branches!! I also know one climber in his late 70s who still climbs as hard as he can. By the time you end up in one you haven't got long left in other words and many will die before ever going into one, so it is not something I particularly worry about.
So I don't know at what age you end up in a care home but unless you have terminal cancer, you could be there for a while.
I figure when I hit my mid-70s, I'll attempt to summit Everest with whatever I have available. If I freeze to death up there, so be it. Great view to die with.
chris watton said:
dandarez said:
chris watton said:
thinfourth2 said:
Please give me the option to have a nice cyanide sandwich before i end up needing a care home
I for one would welcome the choice of being 'put to sleep' when my quality of life eventually goes down the pan. I worry about suffering the indignity of being cared for in old age, probably by people who don't really care and can't speak a word of English. The thought of being at the mercy of the state makes me shudder...The inquest currently going on of a 22 year old who died (at the hands of total incompetence) is a good example. The coroner had such grave concern she referred it to the police.
The nurse who said 'Have you finished, can I bag him up?' What a caring soul.
F unbelievable. This country is sinking in its own excrement.
http://www.bioedge.org/index.php/bioethics/bioethi...
Re the 22 year old, if that had been my son and that 'nurse' had spoken to me like that, she might have been sailing out of the window!
I don't know when the slide began but I do recall having a stand up row with a staff nurse in 1981 'in the ward' when she tried to discharge my mother and I refused to sign anything. She had been in hospital for several months (that wouldn't happen today) and became iller the longer she was there. Bottom line, they wanted her bed. She was virtually ejected the next morning at 7am by hospital taxi (it was snowing) in her bed clothes to a Birmingham hospice from Oxford. I got to the hospital too late to stop the journey. Long story, involving newspapers, nurse was dismissed (cover up imo). Mum died in Brum about month later. They even tried to charge me to bring her body back through the counties... threat of more newspaper story solved that one.
Couldn't 'care' less culture... 30-40 years time? Doesn't bear thinking about.
My wifes grandfather went into a care home aged well over 80. He met there old friends he had not seen for 60 odd years. He made good use of the bar, and took up smoking ( again). Rumour has it he also had a 'girlfriend'.
Suffice to say he had a much better life than if He had continued to live alone.
Suffice to say he had a much better life than if He had continued to live alone.
Hoofy said:
Sorry to hear your story. 
Worse than that, mum was just 56. Of course, that seemed so very unusual at that point in time but it was the start of the bed shortage problem. It really opened my eyes as to what was going on. Life is strange and fateful though. The stress of all that was compounded by my wife being pregnant at the time and our daughter was born in the same hospital just a week later. My focus was now on my new daughter because she had life threatening complications at just one day old. She was taken by ambulance to the other well-known Oxford hospital (now gone and amalgamated into the other hospital) where a Canadian surgeon had just begun his new career in the NHS the day before.
I actually carried my one day old daughter up to the op theatre and he (the Canadian surgeon) saved her life.
'Experts' in care told us our daughter had no life in front of her.
She's 30 now with a beautiful two and a half year old daughter of her own.
Hoofy said:
Well, certainly my aunts and uncles are in their 70s and still well-able to look after themselves. My dad (in his 70s and currently going through a course of chemo) still mows his lawn and we caught him up a tree cutting down branches!! I also know one climber in his late 70s who still climbs as hard as he can.
So I don't know at what age you end up in a care home but unless you have terminal cancer, you could be there for a while.
I figure when I hit my mid-70s, I'll attempt to summit Everest with whatever I have available. If I freeze to death up there, so be it. Great view to die with.
Of course there is no set age at which you will need care. You might not need it at all. If you're lucky, you might live to be 102 and then be shot by a jealous husband (that's my ambition) So I don't know at what age you end up in a care home but unless you have terminal cancer, you could be there for a while.
I figure when I hit my mid-70s, I'll attempt to summit Everest with whatever I have available. If I freeze to death up there, so be it. Great view to die with.
Alternatively there are people in their 40s and 50s already in care homes with degenerative conditions such as MS.
It's the luck of the draw mate
dandarez said:
Worse than that, mum was just 56. Of course, that seemed so very unusual at that point in time but it was the start of the bed shortage problem. It really opened my eyes as to what was going on.
Life is strange and fateful though. The stress of all that was compounded by my wife being pregnant at the time and our daughter was born in the same hospital just a week later. My focus was now on my new daughter because she had life threatening complications at just one day old. She was taken by ambulance to the other well-known Oxford hospital (now gone and amalgamated into the other hospital) where a Canadian surgeon had just begun his new career in the NHS the day before.
I actually carried my one day old daughter up to the op theatre and he (the Canadian surgeon) saved her life.
'Experts' in care told us our daughter had no life in front of her.
She's 30 now with a beautiful two and a half year old daughter of her own.
56!!Life is strange and fateful though. The stress of all that was compounded by my wife being pregnant at the time and our daughter was born in the same hospital just a week later. My focus was now on my new daughter because she had life threatening complications at just one day old. She was taken by ambulance to the other well-known Oxford hospital (now gone and amalgamated into the other hospital) where a Canadian surgeon had just begun his new career in the NHS the day before.
I actually carried my one day old daughter up to the op theatre and he (the Canadian surgeon) saved her life.
'Experts' in care told us our daughter had no life in front of her.
She's 30 now with a beautiful two and a half year old daughter of her own.
Glad to hear it all went well with your daughter.
rs1952 said:
Of course there is no set age at which you will need care. You might not need it at all. If you're lucky, you might live to be 102 and then be shot by a jealous husband (that's my ambition)
Alternatively there are people in their 40s and 50s already in care homes with degenerative conditions such as MS.
It's the luck of the draw mate
That is true. Being shot at 102 in your own home while having it away with another's wife isn't such a bad way to go. Alternatively there are people in their 40s and 50s already in care homes with degenerative conditions such as MS.
It's the luck of the draw mate
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