Prison retribution for child rape

[Esseesse]

Butter Face said:

RegMolehusband said:

So Michael Parr and Nathan Mann basically received no punishment for this murder. Who will their next victim be I wonder?

What punishment can you give a convicted double murderer and another convicted of attempted murder?

They obviously don't give a fk about the 'system' or 'punishment' of jail time.

Death?

Forty lashes?

Something like lashes, Thatcher argued that we should bring back birching and I think I agree.

Punishments should be humiliating. IMO this is one of the big problems we have in many areas of society - often referred to as a lack of respect. These guys will have smirked their way through their trial not giving a toss. Kids are defiant to their teachers/parents/police/authority knowing they are untouchable physically. If you're a 'bad kid' you're hardened to words and threats, but it's not possible to be hardened to the pain of a birch rod across the buttocks and the later humiliation from your peers. The lack of the possibility of corporal punishment has bred the mentality of thinking ones self is above those around them, a lack of respect for authority.

[Daniel1]

Esseesse said:

Something like lashes, Thatcher argued that we should bring back birching and I think I agree.

Punishments should be humiliating. IMO this is one of the big problems we have in many areas of society - often referred to as a lack of respect. These guys will have smirked their way through their trial not giving a toss. Kids are defiant to their teachers/parents/police/authority knowing they are untouchable physically. If you're a 'bad kid' you're hardened to words and threats, but it's not possible to be hardened to the pain of a birch rod across the buttocks and the later humiliation from your peers. The lack of the possibility of corporal punishment has bred the mentality of thinking ones self is above those around them, a lack of respect for authority.

Respect through fear of violence and pain is not the solution. Respect me or I will physically hurt you? I don't like the idea of that. And what do you do with the people who aren't afraid of your violence? Physically hurt them more?

There have always been people who will do wrong regardless of the punishment. Whether it be the death penalty or a long prison sentence.

[XCP]

7mike said:

XCP said:

7mike said:

No, because they would have hopped on a ferry to France and not been caught in the first place knowing the rest of Europe will not extradite to counties with the death penalty.

Once there of course they would realise the errors of their ways, turn over a new leaf and sneak back to the UK to be model citizens and we'd all live happily ever after.

The capital punishment argument really is a load of old bks (unless you are a lawyer looking to make a huge fortune out of twenty+ years of appeals).

Hopped on a ferry? they were ( and have remained) in a high security prison!

Missed a bit

This murder took place in a high security prison. I don't suppose it was that difficult to catch them.

[Halb]

LukeBird said:

Fair enough. Personally, I don't think a large amount of the public should be allowed to make such decisions.

Where does 'justice' come from if not the will of the people? A dictator? An elite few who know best?

[LukeBird]

Halb said:

LukeBird said:

Fair enough. Personally, I don't think a large amount of the public should be allowed to make such decisions.

Where does 'justice' come from if not the will of the people? A dictator? An elite few who know best?

I appreciate your point, but a devil's advocate view is rather pointless, as there is no perfect solution. I was suggesting that I didn't think some of the voters (who have the decisions as the 'will of the people') are really suitable for such decisions.

[Halb]

LukeBird said:

I appreciate your point, but a devil's advocate view is rather pointless, as there is no perfect solution. I was suggesting that I didn't think some of the voters (who have the decisions as the 'will of the people') are really suitable for such decisions.

There can be no perfect solution yes. But I am for democracy/meritocracy first, the will of the people.
As imperfect as it is, I would prefer to abide by that than any other option.

[mrmr96]

A lex said:

Some would say 'justice served'. It does seem rather brutal though, eh......

You think they should have raped him first?

[MP85]

Going slightly off topic, didn't the pher ( I think 10 pence short) stay at Durham for his accident on the road?

How the hell are rapists and murderers mixed with first time minor offenders??

fk.