Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 2

[WhereamI]

ViperPict said:

WhereamI said:

ViperPict said:

Hmmm. A BLOG in the Torygraph. It simply MUST be 100% accurate...

Ah VP we've missed you! So what is wrong with what is being said, care to point out any inaccuracies or are you just going to rolleyes and blame the telegraph?

For a start, the article's not even about Salmond, only in the indirect sense that he leads the Tory party. Note that AS was not even present in the SP when wee Jimmy Krankie was jeered...

Well, no the blog is about how the policies of the Scottish government giving away stuff for nothing are unsustainable - too expensive for Scotland to afford. Do you agree with that point of view or do you have an argument to contradict it?

Not sure why the location of Scamond is relevant or even who Jimmy Krankie is supposed to refer to.

[thinfourth2]

ViperPict said:

For a start, the article's not even about Salmond, only in the indirect sense that he leads the Tory party. Note that AS was not even present in the SP when wee Jimmy Krankie was jeered...

Of course fishface wasn't there

He would be off on a jolly at taxpayers expense


You know part of me really hopes you get the Scotland you dream of with 95% tax on the rich

[ViperPict]

thinfourth2 said:

ViperPict said:

For a start, the article's not even about Salmond, only in the indirect sense that he leads the Tory party. Note that AS was not even present in the SP when wee Jimmy Krankie was jeered...

Of course fishface wasn't there

He would be off on a jolly at taxpayers expense


You know part of me really hopes you get the Scotland you dream of with 95% tax on the rich

I'm sorry, have the any party proposed a top tax rate of 95%?

[ViperPict]

WhereamI said:

ViperPict said:

WhereamI said:

ViperPict said:

Hmmm. A BLOG in the Torygraph. It simply MUST be 100% accurate...

Ah VP we've missed you! So what is wrong with what is being said, care to point out any inaccuracies or are you just going to rolleyes and blame the telegraph?

For a start, the article's not even about Salmond, only in the indirect sense that he leads the Tory party. Note that AS was not even present in the SP when wee Jimmy Krankie was jeered...

Well, no the blog is about how the policies of the Scottish government giving away stuff for nothing are unsustainable - too expensive for Scotland to afford. Do you agree with that point of view or do you have an argument to contradict it?

Not sure why the location of Scamond is relevant or even who Jimmy Krankie is supposed to refer to.

Let's see how much the means testing to determine who should be and who should not be eligable for wholesale benefits will cost...

And talking about costs, what proportion of the social budget is Scotland's share of Trident?

And you don't seem to be following the basis for the blog (ignorant of Scottish politics?) if you do not undertand my reference...

[WhereamI]

ViperPict said:

thinfourth2 said:

ViperPict said:

For a start, the article's not even about Salmond, only in the indirect sense that he leads the Tory party. Note that AS was not even present in the SP when wee Jimmy Krankie was jeered...

Of course fishface wasn't there

He would be off on a jolly at taxpayers expense


You know part of me really hopes you get the Scotland you dream of with 95% tax on the rich

I'm sorry, have the any party proposed a top tax rate of 95%?

No but it was a government under Margaret Thatcher (remember her?) who ended the lunacy of a top rate of UK tax of 98%

[ViperPict]

WhereamI said:

ViperPict said:

thinfourth2 said:

ViperPict said:

For a start, the article's not even about Salmond, only in the indirect sense that he leads the Tory party. Note that AS was not even present in the SP when wee Jimmy Krankie was jeered...

Of course fishface wasn't there

He would be off on a jolly at taxpayers expense


You know part of me really hopes you get the Scotland you dream of with 95% tax on the rich

I'm sorry, have the any party proposed a top tax rate of 95%?

No but it was a government under Margaret Thatcher (remember her?) who ended the lunacy of a top rate of UK tax of 98%

Somewhere between there and 50% would be good for, say, >£1M pa.

[ViperPict]

TheHeretic said:

ViperPict said:

For a start, the article's not even about Salmond, only in the indirect sense that he leads the Tory party. Note that AS was not even present in the SP when wee Jimmy Krankie was jeered...

Wait...What? How is that showing the article as inaccurate? And how does it show that he indirectly leads the Tory party?

The inaccurate part is that the OP linked the article in reference to AS.

[WhereamI]

ViperPict said:

Let's see how much the means testing to determine who should be and who should not be eligable for wholesale benefits will cost...

It works fine in the rest of the UK

ViperPict said:

And talking about costs, what proportion of the social budget is Scotland's share of Trident?

Scrapping trident will cost Scotland money. Scotland is the bit of the UK where most of the cost of maintaining trident is spent, it's where the subs and missiles are based. Scotland will be worse off without trident,

ViperPict said:

And you don't seem to be following the basis for the blog (ignorant of Scottish politics?) if you do not undertand my reference...

I understand the basis for the blog but your puerile references to political figures by stupid names does wear a bit thin.

[ViperPict]

WhereamI said:

ViperPict said:

Let's see how much the means testing to determine who should be and who should not be eligable for wholesale benefits will cost...

It works fine in the rest of the UK

ViperPict said:

And talking about costs, what proportion of the social budget is Scotland's share of Trident?

Scrapping trident will cost Scotland money. Scotland is the bit of the UK where most of the cost of maintaining trident is spent, it's where the subs and missiles are based. Scotland will be worse off without trident,

ViperPict said:

And you don't seem to be following the basis for the blog (ignorant of Scottish politics?) if you do not undertand my reference...

I understand the basis for the blog but your puerile references to political figures by stupid names does wear a bit thin.

So are the references to Salmond by stupid names purile too? I'm just providing some parity.

And are you seriously saying that it would cost Scotland MORE not to have Trident? Really? Note that only the renewal of Trident will cost at least £35BN...

The fact that England and Wales do means testing does not mean that it is cost efficient...

Edited by ViperPict on Friday 5th October 22:57

[mcdjl]

ViperPict said:

So are the references to Salmond by stupid names purile too? I'm just providing some parity.

And are you seriously saying that it would cost Scotland MORE not to have Trident? Really? Note that only the renewal of Trident will cost at least £35BN...

The fact that England and Wales do means testing does not mean that it is cost efficient...

Edited by ViperPict on Friday 5th October 22:57

So Scotland can afford all the benefits handed out at the moment then?
Remove trident and the cases attached to it and that's 5000direct jobs gone. Plus whatever indirect jobs.
I think most of the stupid names started from north of the border. I know I started using Scalmond when I got bored of some of your stupid names. I don't know who started it. Who is wee Jimmie crankie?

[ViperPict]

mcdjl said:

ViperPict said:

So are the references to Salmond by stupid names purile too? I'm just providing some parity.

And are you seriously saying that it would cost Scotland MORE not to have Trident? Really? Note that only the renewal of Trident will cost at least £35BN...

The fact that England and Wales do means testing does not mean that it is cost efficient...

Edited by ViperPict on Friday 5th October 22:57

So Scotland can afford all the benefits handed out at the moment then?
Remove trident and the cases attached to it and that's 5000direct jobs gone. Plus whatever indirect jobs.
I think most of the stupid names started from north of the border. I know I started using Scalmond when I got bored of some of your stupid names. I don't know who started it. Who is wee Jimmie crankie?

If you mean the real one then you need to slap yourself.

If you mean the SG politician, have a wild guess based on appearances...

Must try harder...

[mcdjl]

ViperPict said:

If you mean the real one then you need to slap yourself.

If you mean the SG politician, have a wild guess based on appearances...

Must try harder...

Just looked it up. too young sorry. the appearance doesn't help. the Wikipedia page could be salmond.....if I had my eyes shut.
Anything to say about the rest of my comments?

[ViperPict]

mcdjl said:

ViperPict said:

If you mean the real one then you need to slap yourself.

If you mean the SG politician, have a wild guess based on appearances...

Must try harder...

Just looked it up. too young sorry. the appearance doesn't help. the Wikipedia page could be salmond.....if I had my eyes shut.
Anything to say about the rest of my comments?

Firstly, your nickname Scalmond doesn't even work! Don't just try and copy Scameron (that DOES work as a play on words!). Some originality please. 2/10.

[mcdjl]

ViperPict said:

Firstly, your nickname Scalmond doesn't even work! Don't just try and copy Scameron (that DOES work as a play on words!). Some originality please. 2/10.

Yeah I know, lazy. should have gone the whole hog: Scamond. Still unoriginal though. ah well. I'll survive.

[Wombat3]

ViperPict said:

mcdjl said:

ViperPict said:

If you mean the real one then you need to slap yourself.

If you mean the SG politician, have a wild guess based on appearances...

Must try harder...

Just looked it up. too young sorry. the appearance doesn't help. the Wikipedia page could be salmond.....if I had my eyes shut.
Anything to say about the rest of my comments?

Firstly, your nickname Scalmond doesn't even work! Don't just try and copy Scameron (that DOES work as a play on words!). Some originality please. 2/10.

No, I think Scamond works perfectly well thanks. Its almost at peurile and pathetic as Scameron, but not quite.

[ViperPict]

Wombat3 said:

ViperPict said:

mcdjl said:

ViperPict said:

If you mean the real one then you need to slap yourself.

If you mean the SG politician, have a wild guess based on appearances...

Must try harder...

Just looked it up. too young sorry. the appearance doesn't help. the Wikipedia page could be salmond.....if I had my eyes shut.
Anything to say about the rest of my comments?

Firstly, your nickname Scalmond doesn't even work! Don't just try and copy Scameron (that DOES work as a play on words!). Some originality please. 2/10.

No, I think Scamond works perfectly well thanks. Its almost at peurile and pathetic as Scameron, but not quite.

But he says 'Scalmond' which does not work. And Scamond is still just not original, is it? I am quite proud of 'wee Jimmy Krankie' though...

Edit: the nickname, NOT the person I hasten to add...

[Wombat3]

ViperPict said:

But he says 'Scalmond' which does not work. And Scamond is still just not original, is it? I am quite proud of 'wee Jimmy Krankie' though...

Edit: the nickname, NOT the person I hasten to add...

WGAF, its all diversionary bks to destract from some of the issues that are coming out as fat Alex's (and your) precious campaign for flag waving & face painting is unravelling by the day. But as you say, still 2 years to go & at this rate, by that time it will be a 99:1 vote in favour of the Union. Your cause is already dead in the water.

Fat Alex should have just got on with it & had his vote quickly, it was the best chance he had, instead of which he is consigned to watching his dreams slip inexorably down the plug hole over the next two years. Couldn't happen to a nicer wker

Edited by Wombat3 on Friday 5th October 23:59

[ViperPict]

Wombat3 said:

ViperPict said:

But he says 'Scalmond' which does not work. And Scamond is still just not original, is it? I am quite proud of 'wee Jimmy Krankie' though...

Edit: the nickname, NOT the person I hasten to add...

WGAF, its all diversionary bks to destract from some of the issues that are coming out as fat Alex's (and your) precious campaign for flag waving & face painting is unravelling by the day. But as you say, still 2 years to go & at this rate, by that time it will be a 99:1 vote in favour of the Union. Your cause is already dead in the water.

Fat Alex should have just got on with it & had his vote quickly, it was the best chance he had, instead of which he is consigned to watching his dreams slip inexorably down the plug hole over the next two years. Couldn't happen to a nicer wker

Edited by Wombat3 on Friday 5th October 23:59

The cause is already won to some extent. There are already more powers for the devolved parliament and more to come. Indendence may well come though 'death by a thousand cuts', so to speak. It may be a gradual process and, at some point we'll realise, 'Hey, we pretty much ARE independent'...

May have been the masterplan all along...

[Rollin]

Thought you were the one who said no one would fall for Cameron's intimation of more powers following a no vote? Sounds very much like you have.

[eharding]

ViperPict said:

The cause is already won to some extent. There are already more powers for the devolved parliament and more to come. Indendence may well come though 'death by a thousand cuts', so to speak. It may be a gradual process and, at some point we'll realise, 'Hey, we pretty much ARE independent'...

May have been the masterplan all along...

I agree with the master-plan concept - in that around 2014-2015 Holyrood will have to balance the books from local taxation, through powers ceded from Westminster....and much will be the wailing and gnashing of teeth, and the realisation by the Nationalists that there have been more than one "master-plans" in play....