Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 2
Discussion
ViperPict said:
thinfourth2 said:
ViperPict said:
This is not the way of things though. Things sort themselves out into an efficient state. Beautifully complex non-linear process but amazingly simple. Peace man.
So why hasn't the UK economy settled into this efficient state?Is it the McForce?
I'll give you one thing
You certainly don't understand money
But I think the underlying principle of what you are going on about is actually right. If left to its own devices the economy would settle out fine. Sadly we have these people called politicians who f
k the whole thing up.So if we could have an independant scotland without the Scottish government i'd probably say YES
simoid said:
Excuse me, are you trying to say us racist sectarian bigoted unionists don't get a say too??groak said:
simoid said:
Excuse me, are you trying to say us racist sectarian bigoted unionists don't get a say too??Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
Not significantly different prosperity likely. Freedom - depends on what us Scots want after independence. The fundamental issue for me is that I believe that better decisions will be made for Scotland when only Scotland needs to be considered. In national (UK) policy, Scotland's issues are only considered to a small degree. That's the only real issue. It's a 'no-brainer' for me.
But as usual you fail to articulate anything (indeed not one single thing - EVER) that is so different in respect of what Scotland needs (versus the rest of the UK) and nor anything to explain why , how & where it is so constrained today & exactly what it is that can't be achieved under the current situation Flag waving & face paint is therefore all that is left - as usual.
The point I make is quite clearly stated. It's very simple so that you can understand it.
t and fairy dust as usual.(Lack of face painting denial to accompany flag waving denial also duly noted
)
ViperPict said:
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
Not significantly different prosperity likely. Freedom - depends on what us Scots want after independence. The fundamental issue for me is that I believe that better decisions will be made for Scotland when only Scotland needs to be considered. In national (UK) policy, Scotland's issues are only considered to a small degree. That's the only real issue. It's a 'no-brainer' for me.
But as usual you fail to articulate anything (indeed not one single thing - EVER) that is so different in respect of what Scotland needs (versus the rest of the UK) and nor anything to explain why , how & where it is so constrained today & exactly what it is that can't be achieved under the current situation Flag waving & face paint is therefore all that is left - as usual.
The point I make is quite clearly stated. It's very simple so that you can understand it.
t and fairy dust as usual.(Lack of face painting denial to accompany flag waving denial also duly noted
)What we therefore arrive at is that you believe that millions of people should put everything at risk based on , well, nothing of any substance whatsoever; whilst simultaneously ignoring a mountain of information, evidence, history and unanswered questions.
You are therefore indeed quite a dangerous kind of nutcase.
Unfortunately for you (and probably fortunately for them) most people need something a little more substantial before they'll jump off a cliff like that.
Edited by Wombat3 on Friday 12th October 22:30
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
Not significantly different prosperity likely. Freedom - depends on what us Scots want after independence. The fundamental issue for me is that I believe that better decisions will be made for Scotland when only Scotland needs to be considered. In national (UK) policy, Scotland's issues are only considered to a small degree. That's the only real issue. It's a 'no-brainer' for me.
But as usual you fail to articulate anything (indeed not one single thing - EVER) that is so different in respect of what Scotland needs (versus the rest of the UK) and nor anything to explain why , how & where it is so constrained today & exactly what it is that can't be achieved under the current situation Flag waving & face paint is therefore all that is left - as usual.
The point I make is quite clearly stated. It's very simple so that you can understand it.
t and fairy dust as usual.(Lack of face painting denial to accompany flag waving denial also duly noted
)What we therefore arrive at is that you believe that millions of people should put everything at risk based on , well, nothing of any substance whatsoever; whilst simultaneously ignoring a mountain of information, evidence, history and unanswered questions.
You are therefore indeed quite a dangerous kind of nutcase.
Unfortunately for you (and probably fortunately for them) most people need something a little more substantial before they'll jump off a cliff like that.
Edited by Wombat3 on Friday 12th October 22:30
People can vote as they please, I'm not forcing them any way.
But you are an idiot if you can't see the simple principal that I base my position on, that Scotland will be able to make decisions based on only Scotland's situation if independent. National policy at the moment does not just take into account Scotland. I'm afraid, mate, that is fact!
ViperPict said:
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
Not significantly different prosperity likely. Freedom - depends on what us Scots want after independence. The fundamental issue for me is that I believe that better decisions will be made for Scotland when only Scotland needs to be considered. In national (UK) policy, Scotland's issues are only considered to a small degree. That's the only real issue. It's a 'no-brainer' for me.
But as usual you fail to articulate anything (indeed not one single thing - EVER) that is so different in respect of what Scotland needs (versus the rest of the UK) and nor anything to explain why , how & where it is so constrained today & exactly what it is that can't be achieved under the current situation Flag waving & face paint is therefore all that is left - as usual.
The point I make is quite clearly stated. It's very simple so that you can understand it.
t and fairy dust as usual.(Lack of face painting denial to accompany flag waving denial also duly noted
)What we therefore arrive at is that you believe that millions of people should put everything at risk based on , well, nothing of any substance whatsoever; whilst simultaneously ignoring a mountain of information, evidence, history and unanswered questions.
You are therefore indeed quite a dangerous kind of nutcase.
Unfortunately for you (and probably fortunately for them) most people need something a little more substantial before they'll jump off a cliff like that.
Edited by Wombat3 on Friday 12th October 22:30
People can vote as they please, I'm not forcing them any way.
But you are an idiot if you can't see the simple principal that I base my position on, that Scotland will be able to make decisions based on only Scotland's situation if independent. National policy at the moment does not just take into account Scotland. I'm afraid, mate, that is fact!
ViperPict said:
Someone's an angry little elf tonight...
People can vote as they please, I'm not forcing them any way.
But you are an idiot if you can't see the simple principal that I base my position on, that Scotland will be able to make decisions based on only Scotland's situation if independent. National policy at the moment does not just take into account Scotland. I'm afraid, mate, that is fact!
A principal eh? Muppet.People can vote as they please, I'm not forcing them any way.
But you are an idiot if you can't see the simple principal that I base my position on, that Scotland will be able to make decisions based on only Scotland's situation if independent. National policy at the moment does not just take into account Scotland. I'm afraid, mate, that is fact!
Such an unsurprisingly one dimensional little argument you have there. It is you that is in fact the idiot if you can not fathom that while in theory the SG may only have to consider Scotland in its decision making, in practise it will also need to consider very carefully the position of its largest trading partner (i.e. the rUK) not to mention its new masters in Brussels.
However, much more important than that, as has clearly been articulated, in practise the SG is going to be significantly more fiscally constrained by its circumstances, credit ratings and borrowing costs (not to mention more direct intervention from the EU should it choose to join - which will of course be on the EU's terms or not at all).
As a result, while it may make its decisions based solely on "Scottish considerations", its ability to then act and to implement is going to be far more constrained from every direction. Whichever way you look at it, it ends up being all about the money, and there simply won't be much of it about for all the reasons that have been outlined.
Vulgar isn't it
And finally, yet again, with this little one dimensional argument of yours, noted that you still summarily fail to articulate a single example of anything (that will have any significant bearing on the daily lives of ordinary people) that the SG would be able do that it cannot currently do anyway, or indeed is not already done by Westminster today.
Which just ends up back at flag waving and face painting as being the only thing that this is about.
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
Someone's an angry little elf tonight...
People can vote as they please, I'm not forcing them any way.
But you are an idiot if you can't see the simple principal that I base my position on, that Scotland will be able to make decisions based on only Scotland's situation if independent. National policy at the moment does not just take into account Scotland. I'm afraid, mate, that is fact!
A principal eh? Muppet.People can vote as they please, I'm not forcing them any way.
But you are an idiot if you can't see the simple principal that I base my position on, that Scotland will be able to make decisions based on only Scotland's situation if independent. National policy at the moment does not just take into account Scotland. I'm afraid, mate, that is fact!
Such an unsurprisingly one dimensional little argument you have there. It is you that is in fact the idiot if you can not fathom that while in theory the SG may only have to consider Scotland in its decision making, in practise it will also need to consider very carefully the position of its largest trading partner (i.e. the rUK) not to mention its new masters in Brussels.
However, much more important than that, as has clearly been articulated, in practise the SG is going to be significantly more fiscally constrained by its circumstances, credit ratings and borrowing costs (not to mention more direct intervention from the EU should it choose to join - which will of course be on the EU's terms or not at all).
As a result, while it may make its decisions based solely on "Scottish considerations", its ability to then act and to implement is going to be far more constrained from every direction. Whichever way you look at it, it ends up being all about the money, and there simply won't be much of it about for all the reasons that have been outlined.
Vulgar isn't it
And finally, yet again, with this little one dimensional argument of yours, noted that you still summarily fail to articulate a single example of anything (that will have any significant bearing on the daily lives of ordinary people) that the SG would be able do that it cannot currently do anyway, or indeed is not already done by Westminster today.
Which just ends up back at flag waving and face painting as being the only thing that this is about.
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
You took quite an amount of time out of your day to write that drivel, didn't you?
About three minutes I think. ...and your reponse is a typical reponse from you when you have no answer of any substance.
We've seen it all before
ViperPict said:
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
You took quite an amount of time out of your day to write that drivel, didn't you?
About three minutes I think. ...and your reponse is a typical reponse from you when you have no answer of any substance.
We've seen it all before
Still found time to contribute a huge pile of flag waving, face painting drivel on here in between though eh?
Still, we have at least got to the bottom of your reasoning and argument - and, unsurprisingly, there just isn't anything of any substance. This, ultimately, is all people have been trying to establish - as to whether you had anything of any substance to offer.
....and you don't - ergo, you're oot!
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
Wombat3 said:
ViperPict said:
You took quite an amount of time out of your day to write that drivel, didn't you?
About three minutes I think. ...and your reponse is a typical reponse from you when you have no answer of any substance.
We've seen it all before
Still found time to contribute a huge pile of flag waving, face painting drivel on here in between though eh?
Still, we have at least got to the bottom of your reasoning and argument - and, unsurprisingly, there just isn't anything of any substance. This, ultimately, is all people have been trying to establish - as to whether you had anything of any substance to offer.
....and you don't - ergo, you're oot!
The reasoning is all there, you are clearly cannot get your pretty little head around it.
Anyway, you need to shoosh, I'm trying to work...
Wombat3 said:
A belief (unless its a religeon) is usually based on something of some substance. In your case it would seem that there is therefore nothing of any substance (whatsoever) behind what you believe.
What we therefore arrive at is that you believe that millions of people should put everything at risk based on , well, nothing of any substance whatsoever; whilst simultaneously ignoring a mountain of information, evidence, history and unanswered questions.
You are therefore indeed quite a dangerous kind of nutcase.
Unfortunately for you (and probably fortunately for them) most people need something a little more substantial before they'll jump off a cliff like that.
The McForceWhat we therefore arrive at is that you believe that millions of people should put everything at risk based on , well, nothing of any substance whatsoever; whilst simultaneously ignoring a mountain of information, evidence, history and unanswered questions.
You are therefore indeed quite a dangerous kind of nutcase.
Unfortunately for you (and probably fortunately for them) most people need something a little more substantial before they'll jump off a cliff like that.
Edited by Wombat3 on Friday 12th October 22:30
its the only rational explanation
ViperPict said:
As I've said, never waved a flag. The most flags being waved I've seen this year have been that other offensove looking one.
The reasoning is all there, you are clearly cannot get your pretty little head around it.
Anyway, you need to shoosh, I'm trying to work...
You know flag waving is an metaphor, don't you?The reasoning is all there, you are clearly cannot get your pretty little head around it.
Anyway, you need to shoosh, I'm trying to work...
What is this offensive, (correct spelling for you), flag you refer to?
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