Muslim protests in UK

[Murph7355]

Tunku said:

I agree with Mermaid.
I was born and bred in the Far East. I don't like being near someone dressed like a Star Wars assassin, not only are they completely anonymous, they look sinister and god knows what they are hiding under all that cloth.
On the other hand, my mother used to wear a headscarf out East when driving her Triumph Herald convertible. No religious reason, just kept her hair out of her face.

To be perfectly honest I find other modes of dress far more "threatening". If I were predisposed to judging someone by what they wear, I think I'd far rather stand next to someone dressed in that sort of garb than, say, someone dressed like a stereotypical skinhead.

The attire isn't a problem IMO. If a particular religion/cult/group started to try and dictate how everyone else lives without following due process, then the line is crossed. Otherwise, live and let live.

eta I do have some sympathy with the view that immigrants should look to be more aware of our underlying culture and should aim to integrate more. Though talk of warrior cultures and Star Wars assassins does smack of over fertile imaginations and too much time spent in Games Workshop...

Edited by Murph7355 on Wednesday 10th October 08:08

[s1962a]

grumbledoak said:

I think we should change the law to reflect and protect our cultural heritage. Others do.

400 people on the e-petition poll agree with you.

Edited by s1962a on Wednesday 10th October 08:10

[s1962a]

Murph7355 said:

The attire isn't a problem IMO. If a particular religion/cult/group started to try and dictate how everyone else lives without following due process, then the line is crossed. Otherwise, live and let live.

This. I doubt very muslims want to change the way of life for the UK either. Look at those Islam4UK idiots - they have a handful of supporters and not much more, and even they seemed to have dissapeared into the woodwork.

Edited by s1962a on Wednesday 10th October 08:13

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Murph7355 said:

To be perfectly honest I find other modes of dress far more "threatening". If I were predisposed to judging someone by what they wear, I think I'd far rather stand next to someone dressed in that sort of garb than, say, someone dressed like a stereotypical skinhead.

The attire isn't a problem IMO. If a particular religion/cult/group started to try and dictate how everyone else lives without following due process, then the line is crossed. Otherwise, live and let live.

eta I do have some sympathy with the view that immigrants should look to be more aware of our underlying culture and should aim to integrate more. Though talk of warrior cultures and Star Wars assassins does smack of over fertile imaginations and too much time spent in Games Workshop...

Edited by Murph7355 on Wednesday 10th October 08:08

Completely agree.

Especially the bit about certain groups dictating how others should dress because, for example, they feel "threatened by headscarves".

[RedTrident]

I wonder how many text messages of outrage, sermons at the mosque, demonstrations on our streets etc etc we'll see for this

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/09/taliba...

Doubt there'll be anything and mores the pity. This is what UK Muslims should be coming out against.

[robmlufc]

RedTrident said:

I wonder how many text messages of outrage, sermons at the mosque, demonstrations on our streets etc etc we'll see for this

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/09/taliba...

Doubt there'll be anything and mores the pity. This is what UK Muslims should be coming out against.

About as much support as Shafilea Ahmed received from the mosques for being too "Western" in a Western country.

[s1962a]

RedTrident said:

I wonder how many text messages of outrage, sermons at the mosque, demonstrations on our streets etc etc we'll see for this

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/09/taliba...

Doubt there'll be anything and mores the pity. This is what UK Muslims should be coming out against.

I think you'd be surprised. There is a lot of outrage against what's happened to this girl, here and abroad.

[s1962a]

robmlufc said:

RedTrident said:

I wonder how many text messages of outrage, sermons at the mosque, demonstrations on our streets etc etc we'll see for this

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/09/taliba...

Doubt there'll be anything and mores the pity. This is what UK Muslims should be coming out against.

About as much support as Shafilea Ahmed received from the mosques for being too "Western" in a Western country.

Which mosques were these then? Got any proof? Anything I heard about the Shafilea case was condemnation for the parents - nothing about her being to 'westernised'.

[robmlufc]

s1962a said:

Which mosques were these then? Got any proof? Anything I heard about the Shafilea case was condemnation for the parents - nothing about her being to 'westernised'.

I didn't see any condemnation from the Muslim community but I'm sure you can point me in the right direction.

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robmlufc said:

s1962a said:

Which mosques were these then? Got any proof? Anything I heard about the Shafilea case was condemnation for the parents - nothing about her being to 'westernised'.

I didn't see any condemnation from the Muslim community but I'm sure you can point me in the right direction.

http://www.ramadhanfoundation.com/shafileaahmed03082012.htm

[Bill]

s1962a said:

This. I doubt very muslims want to change the way of life for the UK either. Look at those Islam4UK idiots - they have a handful of supporters and not much more, and even they seemed to have dissapeared into the woodwork.

Edited by s1962a on Wednesday 10th October 08:13

The whole idea of islam converting the world is ludicrous, they can't agree amongst themselves on what branch ti follow.

[robmlufc]

Good work by Mr Shafiq, now if a few more Muslim leaders spoke out like him the image might turn to a more positive one.

[obob]

robmlufc said:

Good work by Mr Shafiq, now if a few more Muslim leaders spoke out like him the image might turn to a more positive one.

They do, all the time. However it doesn't really sell any newspapers not as much as headlines telling you Muslims are out to get us and want to eat our brains for breakfast.

[Mermaid]

[Mermaid]

s1962a said:

400 people on the e-petition poll agree with you.

You make a good point, but life is more than just e petitions - there is apathy.

If there was a nationwide referendum, I expect far more than 400 would vote against.

http://yougov.co.uk/news/2011/04/14/two-thirds-bri...

[Justayellowbadge]

Guam said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/ne...

The best bit about that is the protecting the needy and vulnerable from being exploited by the rich and powerful guff.

Islamic states being particularly well known for their worker's rights and equitable wealth distribution.

And yes, I know other systems are not exactly a paragon in this regard, but nothing will ever get done if the only response to a criticism is 'well, so and so does it as well'. Not the point.

[robmlufc]

Guam said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/ne...

Will they be burning toon army shirts next?

[robmlufc]

Guam said:

Bottom line you are a proffessional football player you dont get the right to put your religion before the needs of the business that employs you in this way!

I'm sure their contracts will mention supporting sponsers.

[Mermaid]

robmlufc said:

Guam said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/ne...

Will they be burning toon army shirts next?

Will this issue get blown up out of all proportions, or get hijacked?

[robmlufc]

Mermaid said:

Will this issue get blown up out of all proportions, or get hijacked?

Blown up...hijacked...lets hope they dont take it that far.