Why does everyone hate teachers?

[Welshbeef]

Frankly given the importance of education I for one would argue we probably don't spend enough or entice the most engaging driven individuals to inspire the next generation.

Remember get the education right then the future of our country is enhanced and rather than disengaged/off grid kids actually turn to be productive over gangs etc


Would I teach? I think I'd struggle currently with patience but there is possibility at some point in the future where actually 13 weeks a year no long commute and the satisfaction of developing the younger people.

[MrBrightSi]

Hate kids, nowadays even the most well-to-do family shoots out hellspawn.

Any person who wants to stand infront of all these half inbred half fked up products of people who can't strap up before action is worthy of respect.

However being the product of state schooling i have to say they're falling far short of the mark even with those who wish to achieve.

[turbobloke]

jjlynn27 said:

Do you feel better when your taxes are paying for botched IT Contracts, for example?

Least of all when it's a £100m BBC IT fiasco wasting licence fee payers' money, as happened.

Welshbeef said:

Frankly given the importance of education I for one would argue we probably don't spend enough or entice the most engaging driven individuals to inspire the next generation

Certainly that's the case where teaching is good or outstanding, but it's an expensive way to pay for babysitting as somebody didn't quite say earlier.

MrBrightSi said:

Hate kids, nowadays even the most well-to-do family shoots out hellspawn.

Gender and age are no barrier to participation in a spot of extra-curricular these days.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3451874/Tee...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/educat...

[drivin_me_nuts]

My partner's son has just completed his first year as a teacher through a graduate scheme that placed him in a classroom after just a few weeks.

His commitment has lead to him being graded as an outstanding teacher. He's completed his PGCE and is now starting a part supported Master's degree.

It has been very hard work and the learning curve from being a graduate into managing a classroom of 30+ kids in an East London classroom has been a set of experiences and responsibilities few other professions could offer to one so young. Listening to him speak, there are in his cohort many who are committed to teaching and who really want to impart knowledge to children. There are also those for whom teaching is clearly not the right career choice and they will be leaving sooner rather than later.

From what I can see in him and of what he says, you take from teaching what you want and you give as much or as little as you want. I've said to him the same as I say to others who teach (because I do to, but in a different context), the day you can't be arsed to get out of bed, the day you just can't be bothered is the day you should look for another job. I think more than many, it is a career that has a profound and lasting impression amongst many - i'm sure even those PH'ers in their more senior years can remember the name of a good teacher, and more importantly why they were good.

He already gets the sly comments from friends etc about the long holidays. But then again, their jobs don't tend to have the commitments to work outside of school hours that he has at the moment. I wish him success and any other young teachers the same.

[TankRizzo]

jjlynn27 said:

I'd imagine that most people complaining have no idea of what the job entails

jjlynn27 said:

I don't know anything about becoming a teacher, but

Oh hey, I'm going to slag off people for talking about teaching without any knowledge, and then commit exactly the same uneducated mistake myself.

Winner.

[turbobloke]

TankRizzo said:

jjlynn27 said:

I'd imagine that most people complaining have no idea of what the job entails

jjlynn27 said:

I don't know anything about becoming a teacher, but

Oh hey, I'm going to slag off people for talking about teaching without any knowledge, and then commit exactly the same uneducated mistake myself.

Winner.

[jjlynn27]

TankRizzo said:

jjlynn27 said:

I'd imagine that most people complaining have no idea of what the job entails

jjlynn27 said:

I don't know anything about becoming a teacher, but

Oh hey, I'm going to slag off people for talking about teaching without any knowledge, and then commit exactly the same uneducated mistake myself.

Winner.

Do you not understand the difference between 'becoming a teacher' and 'what teaching entails'? I, for example, know very well what is required to become paediatric consultant, but I know precious little what their day to day job is like.

I do enjoy selective quoting that doesn't prove anything, almost as much as your stalking on various threads.

[TankRizzo]

jjlynn27 said:

Do you not understand

jjlynn27 said:

I, for example,

jjlynn27 said:

know precious little

How do you like that selective quoting, simpleton?

[Otispunkmeyer]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Otispunkmeyer said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Munter said:

I don't think teaching is easy. I do think 90% of the teachers I had were st at it
though. And I don't expect the selection process has improved to attract different people.

Yes, I whole heartedly agree with your comment. But I guess like in any walk of life, or occupation you get the good (sometimes excellent) the average, and down right dangerous.

Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Wednesday 5th August 08:26

I think some of the problem of st teachers is those people who use the profession as their last chance saloon. I can count a pretty good number of people who post messages on FB that I end up seeing whereby they're discussing jobs. You can follow the trail of interviewing at X, failing, interviewing at Y, failing and on and on, often with the comment "If I don't get this job, think I'll just do a PGCE" or "As a last resort I can always go and teach I guess".


Granted, some of those, once they get there might find that A) they like it and B) they're good at it. But honestly, a good candidate for a teacher probably shouldn't be someone who's primary interest in the job was avoiding the dole queue (as admirable as that is). You want people who are genuinely interested in the role.

Equally, you don't also want teachers whose only life experience thus far has been being taught themselves and going to uni. The best teachers I have ever had have always been those who turned to it a bit later in life having worked in a different industry.

More often than not it was the school / University / teacher training / then back to school types who were the `problem?' teachers.
The ones who had had a grounding in the `outside' world were often the best.
Some who had remained in the education system entirely, were very intelligent, they could calculate the cubic capacity of a tin of beans in their head, they just didn't have a clue on how to open it!

As well I always found situations like this massively pointless:

A girl I know went to uni. She did film studies. She came out of uni and went straight back to school to teach.... film studies.

Totally circular. Totally pointless. I'll admit I know not what "film studies" entails, but I can't imagine its too many levels above mickey mouse. Bit different with maths of course, because some will go to uni, do maths and spear off to do something else. But film studies? WTF are you meant to do with that apart from teach other people film studies?

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Thursday 6th August 13:27

[Crush]

Otispunkmeyer said:

As well I always found situations like this massively pointless:

A girl I know went to uni. She did film studies. She came out of uni and went straight back to school to teach.... film studies.

Totally circular. Totally pointless. I'll admit I know not what "film studies" entails, but I can't imagine its too many levels above mickey mouse. Bit different with maths of course, because some will go to uni, do maths and spear off to do something else. But film studies? WTF are you meant to do with that apart from teach other people film studies?

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Thursday 6th August 13:27

A bit like Sociology graduates, I've never known a sociology student go on to do anything more than teach sociology (if they're lucky).

As for film studies, I did study a module on that during my first year at Birmingham Uni. It seemed to be nothing more than a typical university bullst course where they try to make the simple seem over complicated in order to make themselves feel special/elite.

[thismonkeyhere]

Crush said:

A bit like Sociology graduates, I've never known a sociology student go on to do anything more than teach sociology (if they're lucky).

I think you must have known the wrong Sociology grads. It's often seen as a 'cop out' subject, for those just wanting three years' worth of beer and not facing the real world yet, but done well at a decent university, it can be a useful degree for those wanting successful careers in many areas, as well as a good 'general' degree for the bright and ambitious who may not have settled on a direction yet.

Sociology grads I know are doing well in law, HR, recruitment, marketing and the Armed Forces, as well as a couple running their own businesses.

[jjlynn27]

thismonkeyhere said:

Crush said:

A bit like Sociology graduates, I've never known a sociology student go on to do anything more than teach sociology (if they're lucky).

I think you must have known the wrong Sociology grads. It's often seen as a 'cop out' subject, for those just wanting three years' worth of beer and not facing the real world yet, but done well at a decent university, it can be a useful degree for those wanting successful careers in many areas, as well as a good 'general' degree for the bright and ambitious who may not have settled on a direction yet.

Sociology grads I know are doing well in law, HR, recruitment, marketing and the Armed Forces, as well as a couple running their own businesses.

Two of my good studied HSPS at Cambridge and are doing pretty well in the City.

[turbobloke]

jjlynn27 said:

thismonkeyhere said:

Crush said:

A bit like Sociology graduates, I've never known a sociology student go on to do anything more than teach sociology (if they're lucky).

I think you must have known the wrong Sociology grads. It's often seen as a 'cop out' subject, for those just wanting three years' worth of beer and not facing the real world yet, but done well at a decent university, it can be a useful degree for those wanting successful careers in many areas, as well as a good 'general' degree for the bright and ambitious who may not have settled on a direction yet.

Sociology grads I know are doing well in law, HR, recruitment, marketing and the Armed Forces, as well as a couple running their own businesses.

Two of my good studied HSPS at Cambridge and are doing pretty well in the City.

There are people who studied Archeology & Anthropology (and Land Economy) at Cambridhe who are doing OK.

Then again, the new-ish Faculty of Human, Social, and Political Science at Cambridge was born from a merger of the aforementioned Faculty of Archaeology and Anthropology with the Faculties of Politics, Psychology, Sociology and International Studies.

In other words, it's not quite Social Studies as others know it, and the students generally have enough sandwiches to make a picnic - the words University of Cambridge on a degree certificate often have a positive effect on prospective employers.

Then again the Cantab Effect doesn't always work (no pun intended)...somebody ought to have told this chap there's been a shortage of music teachers.

There's even a bonus opportunity to have a pop at Amazon if you're so inclined.

[SpeedMattersNot]

turbobloke said:

There are people who studied Archeology & Anthropology (and Land Economy) at Cambridhe who are doing OK.

Then again, the new-ish Faculty of Human, Social, and Political Science at Cambridge was born from a merger of the aforementioned Faculty of Archaeology and Anthropology with the Faculties of Politics, Psychology, Sociology and International Studies.

In other words, it's not quite Social Studies as others know it, and the students generally have enough sandwiches to make a picnic - the words University of Cambridge on a degree certificate often have a positive effect on prospective employers.

Then again the Cantab Effect doesn't always work (no pun intended)...somebody ought to have told this chap there's been a shortage of music teachers.

There's even a bonus opportunity to have a pop at Amazon if you're so inclined.

Funny you should point out a shortage of music teachers, as we found out in Bedfordshire when my wife on maternity leave from the head of the department. Four applicants, one didn't answer, one wasn't even qualified in music and of the two, the one who got the job was...questionable. Let's leave it at that!

[turbobloke]

SpeedMattersNot said:

turbobloke said:

There are people who studied Archeology & Anthropology (and Land Economy) at Cambridge who are doing OK.

Then again, the new-ish Faculty of Human, Social, and Political Science at Cambridge was born from a merger of the aforementioned Faculty of Archaeology and Anthropology with the Faculties of Politics, Psychology, Sociology and International Studies.

In other words, it's not quite Social Studies as others know it, and the students generally have enough sandwiches to make a picnic - the words University of Cambridge on a degree certificate often have a positive effect on prospective employers.

Then again the Cantab Effect doesn't always work (no pun intended)...somebody ought to have told this chap there's been a shortage of music teachers.

There's even a bonus opportunity to have a pop at Amazon if you're so inclined.

Funny you should point out a shortage of music teachers, as we found out in Bedfordshire when my wife on maternity leave from the head of the department. Four applicants, one didn't answer, one wasn't even qualified in music and of the two, the one who got the job was...questionable. Let's leave it at that!

Sorry to hear that the school's recruitment exercise didn't quite hit the desired note.

[Ali G]

Without having any stats to hand - I would suspect that there is no shortage of those who can 'teach' music - but perhaps a shortage of those who wish to do so in a school.

And whether teaching music in school is a valid exercise is open to debate.

Personally, music fills much of my life - listening to - and playing. However, music lessons at school were utterly useless - a complete waste of time.

[SpeedMattersNot]

Ali G said:

Without having any stats to hand - I would suspect that there is no shortage of those who can 'teach' music - but perhaps a shortage of those who wish to do so in a school.

And whether teaching music in school is a valid exercise is open to debate.

Personally, music fills much of my life - listening to - and playing. However, music lessons at school were utterly useless - a complete waste of time.

Firstly, it depends what you mean by teaching music, whether you mean the subject, or just the instrument/s.

Whether it's a valid subject to offer at state schools, I agree, it should be open to debate. But I believe this hangs on the further question, what do children actually go to school for?

Is it to guide them into filling gaps in industries that makes our economy grow? Set them up for jobs? Extract their full potential as academic students and or, people?

I think it's all of those and a wide range of subjects is important to ensure all types of kids are catered for. I'm surprised you feel your music lessons were utterly useless at your school - I felt the majority of the subjects I did were, sadly.

[Ali G]

Good post (imho)

When I was at school, there may have been a somewhat radical 'Punk' movement - a combination of music and rebellion - fine!

(I was more 'proggy' at the time)



Now how 'music' alters your mind is open to conjecture (how it can 'pick you up', 'put you down', 'chill you out', or 'just' make you happy!)

At my old school - 'proper music' was extra-curricular - choirs, bands etc.

And when I say 'proper' - that means 'playing music'

'Extra-curricular' may now be an issue.

[NiceCupOfTea]

Music in schools is (or should be) a world away from dry lessons listening to Beethoven symphonies. I believe it's one of the most important subjects in school, teaching a range of skills. For some kids it's one of the few things they can engage with and teaches them self worth, teamwork, focus, work ethic, etc. - all things that turn kids into decent members of society.

I know some very good, seriously dedicated music teachers desperately looking for ways out due to lack of support and stress. It's only really love of what they do and making a difference to kids' lives that keep them there. It's no surprise there is a shortage of good teachers for the jobs.

As for peris (instrumental teachers) they are losing their jobs left right and centre as music services are disappearing due to a lack of funding. Sad state of affairs.

[pork911]

are recorders really expensive these days?