Floating voter - UKIP why not?

[martin84]

Fittster said:

I certainly wouldn't vote.

Decisions are made by those who show up.

[anonymous-user]

Breadvan72 said:

I disagree with disliking foreigners on principle, homophobia, and other typically far right positions. I think that they can fairly he described as nasty.

Breadvan72 said:

...(me, for example, an Old Labourite with some modern add ons)...

haha. ah yes far right positions indeed. i wonder just how many of your fellow old labour supporters you actually know? i mean the real ones in the tgwu not westminster and islington wine bars. if you did you'd find such views just as prevalent on the 'left' as the 'right'. nice try.

[Johnnytheboy]

Fittster said:

Breadvan72 said:

A spoiled vote is the same, to me, as a no vote.

A spoiled vote says you approve of the system, just not the candidates. Not voting is a rejection of the system.

I certainly wouldn't vote.

When I was at uni we had a "none of these candidates" option in union elections.

It kept winning one year, which was highly amusing as they kept having to have fresh elections.

[The Black Flash]

Breadvan72 said:

I call Godwin!

Goodwin.
Don't tell me the choice of word was accidental.

[Fittster]

martin84 said:

Fittster said:

I certainly wouldn't vote.

Decisions are made by those who show up.

They use the argument that they have a populate mandate to legitimize their decisions. The smaller the turnout the less authority those decisions have.

[eharding]

The Black Flash said:

The recent "demagogues are superficially attractive" is a fine example. At once smearing the leader of the party with a word which will immediately bring forward images of Nuremburg-style rallies.

Really? - if that is the first connotation that springs to your mind, then I suspect it reveals more about your subliminal conceptions of Farage than anything else.

[anonymous-user]

Goodwin indeed, apols, but I made and implied no connection with Hitler. Demagoguery is not limited to Adolf.

[anonymous-user]

fbrs said:

Breadvan72 said:

I disagree with disliking foreigners on principle, homophobia, and other typically far right positions. I think that they can fairly he described as nasty.

Breadvan72 said:

...(me, for example, an Old Labourite with some modern add ons)...

haha. ah yes far right positions indeed. i wonder just how many of your fellow old labour supporters you actually know? i mean the real ones in the tgwu not westminster and islington wine bars. if you did you'd find such views just as prevalent on the 'left' as the 'right'. nice try.

I have met lots of Old Labourites and Trade Unionists, having grown up amongst such people in Birmingham. My dad was a shop steward for a while. Making assumptions about people you have never met is pretty successful, eh? It is true that xenophobia and homophobia can be found amongst the Old Labour white working class, but there is also tolerance to be found. Take a walk along Chapel Market in islington for a good example of people getting along.

[martin84]

Fittster said:

They use the argument that they have a populate mandate to legitimize their decisions. The smaller the turnout the less authority those decisions have.

Labour didn't seem to think their decisions were made with less authority after winning an election in 2001 in which less than 60% voted.

[The Black Flash]

eharding said:

Really? - if that is the first connotation that springs to your mind, then I suspect it reveals more about your subliminal conceptions of Farage than anything else.

No, the connotation of the word, not the person.
Oh, but you said "subliminal", that means I can't win doesn't it. Deny it and you say "aaah, but you wouldn't know, it's subliminal".

[anonymous-user]

Call me old fashioned, but the first person that I think of when I hear the word demagogue is Alcibiades, or one of that bunch, and not Hitler. Galloway is a good modern example of a demagogue. Farage maybe less so.

[The Black Flash]

Breadvan72 said:

Goodwin indeed, apols, but I made and implied no connection with Hitler. Demagoguery is not limited to Adolf.

Indeed it is not, but he will be one of the first that springs to mind.
The point is it's a negative word, used very deliberately.

[eharding]

The Black Flash said:

eharding said:

Really? - if that is the first connotation that springs to your mind, then I suspect it reveals more about your subliminal conceptions of Farage than anything else.

No, the connotation of the word, not the person.
Oh, but you said "subliminal", that means I can't win doesn't it. Deny it and you say "aaah, but you wouldn't know, it's subliminal".

So...tell me what you see...



1) A Butterfly?

2) Two Brussels Eurocrats plotting to destroy the UK?

3) Two eastern-European plumbers fixing a blocked khazi for 20% of the fee one of our own home-bred plumbers would charge?

[anonymous-user]

The Black Flash said:

Breadvan72 said:

Goodwin indeed, apols, but I made and implied no connection with Hitler. Demagoguery is not limited to Adolf.

Indeed it is not, but he will be one of the first that springs to mind.
The point is it's a negative word, used very deliberately.

Of course it is; I never use a word by accident. Do you?

[The Black Flash]

eharding said:

So...tell me what you see...



1) A Butterfly?

2) Two Brussels Eurocrats plotting to destroy the UK?

3) Two eastern-European plumbers fixing a blocked khazi for 20% of the fee one of our own home-bred plumbers would charge?

What, do I only get a choice of "paranoid" or "xenophobic"?

4) A profoundly unrepresentative, undemocratic, corrupt, wasteful, political construct whos agendas I consider to be contrary to the best interests of the peoples of Europe.

[Apache]

eharding said:

The Black Flash said:

eharding said:

Really? - if that is the first connotation that springs to your mind, then I suspect it reveals more about your subliminal conceptions of Farage than anything else.

No, the connotation of the word, not the person.
Oh, but you said "subliminal", that means I can't win doesn't it. Deny it and you say "aaah, but you wouldn't know, it's subliminal".

So...tell me what you see...



1) A Butterfly?

2) Two Brussels Eurocrats plotting to destroy the UK?

3) Two eastern-European plumbers fixing a blocked khazi for 20% of the fee one of our own home-bred plumbers would charge?

4) boobies

[eharding]

The Black Flash said:

eharding said:

So...tell me what you see...



1) A Butterfly?

2) Two Brussels Eurocrats plotting to destroy the UK?

3) Two eastern-European plumbers fixing a blocked khazi for 20% of the fee one of our own home-bred plumbers would charge?

What, do I only get a choice of "paranoid" or "xenophobic"?

4) A profoundly unrepresentative, undemocratic, corrupt, wasteful, political construct whos agendas I consider to be contrary to the best interests of the peoples of Europe.

Yep, as I suspected - what was wrong with "1) A Butterfly?" - unless, of course, you feel butterflies to be deeply symbolic metaphors for paranoia or xenophobia

[The Black Flash]

eharding said:

Yep, as I suspected - what was wrong with "1) A Butterfly?" - unless, of course, you feel butterflies to be deeply symbolic metaphors for paranoia or xenophobia

well it didn't much look like a butterfly
Have a good weekend.

[anonymous-user]

Ditto, yuh all, y'all. I am adopting Plan Martini.

[The Black Flash]

Breadvan72 said:

Of course it is; I never use a word by accident. Do you?

Not on purpose.
But some, such as yourself, are more skilled in choosing the words they use, than others.