another abuse gang

[bobdole]

Silent1 said:

bobdole are you autistic or heavily religious?
I get the feeling that you're not a troll you just appear to have an inability to debate without dragging it down to "you said x therefore you're being x" and appear to read different meanings in things people said than what is actually there, to the extent that you remind me of 2 aspies i know.

How about reading stuff, i.e. whole thread and then you will see where people were more concerned with guessing the heritage of the abusers than the sick crime, like it was some awful game.
If you chose to ignore that fact and the posts with blatant racism in them in the first few pages then what can i do?
Not mention the heresay posts about Asians driving around in vans trying to steal millions of white peoples kids.
People need a good bogie man, but the vast majority of child abuse still happens in the childs 'home' from family members.

[bobdole]

andymadmak said:

bobdole said:

IanMorewood said:

Can I suggest that this is a possible scenario;
Girl befriended in takeaway by the all male staff, given small gifts, enjoys attention, flirts with all the staff, one of the lads has a cheeky grope she doesn’t object, next time its not one of the lads (lets say the uncle) but as the girl ended up with something to eat she happy enough to sit on his knee whilst he has a rummage under her top. Fast forward a week or three and she’s upstairs watching TV with a bottle of Vodka and a supply of chips when from time to time one of the staff from the takeaway comes upstairs for some R&R with her.

Here it is.

That might explain the mechanism. It does not explain the mentality though does it?

Mentality is because in this country we give not a fig about our kids in care on the whole, cases like this highlight that fact quite clearly. So we dont as a society care, they get shoved around get into drugs and drink and fall in to the wrong crowds, clearly a predatory male of any colour or race will see that if they let their perversions run amock they can pretty much do what they wish as these are a forgotten group of kids, the under class, the kids that one day we will judge on Jeremy Kyle, ones we will call dole scroungers, scumbags etc etc..
Maybe if we cared more in the first place then they wouldn't be in such desperate situations that they need to hang around blokes older than them for 'free' food, booze and drugs...they probably at first crave the attention of the men...its sad beyond belief, its is shocking and terrible, but its a sad reflection on the UK as a country that we let these kids slip down that slope in the first place.... in care shouldn't mean rolling round the streets aged 12-16 at all hours...

[andymadmak]

bobdole said:

Mentality is because in this country we give not a fig about our kids in care on the whole, cases like this highlight that fact quite clearly. So we dont as a society care, they get shoved around get into drugs and drink and fall in to the wrong crowds, clearly a predatory male of any colour or race will see that if they let their perversions run amock they can pretty much do what they wish as these are a forgotten group of kids, the under class, the kids that one day we will judge on Jeremy Kyle, ones we will call dole scroungers, scumbags etc etc..
Maybe if we cared more in the first place then they wouldn't be in such desperate situations that they need to hang around blokes older than them for 'free' food, booze and drugs...they probably at first crave the attention of the men...its sad beyond belief, its is shocking and terrible, but its a sad reflection on the UK as a country that we let these kids slip down that slope in the first place.... in care shouldn't mean rolling round the streets aged 12-16 at all hours...

Oh. So its societys fault then. And the kids, well by hanging around older blokes they're just asking for it eh? Craving it eh? Just cos a 13 year old thinks she is mature enough to put out for a swig of vodka and a bag of chips does not in any way whatsoever absolve the perpatrator of his crimes.
You are one sick puppy bobdole. By blaming everyone, including the victims instead of focussing on the perpatrators you are absolutely part of the problem.
That society needs to care better for its more vulnerable members is undoubtedly true. Responsibility for the crime though rests with the perpatrator.
I think you should go troll somewhere else.

[7mike]

bobdole said:

I give up. Really do.

Liar

[MX7]

bobdole said:

Maybe if we cared more in the first place then they wouldn't be in such desperate situations that they need to hang around blokes older than them for 'free' food, booze and drugs...they probably at first crave the attention of the men...its sad beyond belief, its is shocking and terrible, but its a sad reflection on the UK as a country that we let these kids slip down that slope in the first place.... in care shouldn't mean rolling round the streets aged 12-16 at all hours...

"You left your front door open, so you deserve to be burgled."

[andymadmak]

MX7 said:

"You left your front door open, so you deserve to be burgled."

I wonder if bobdole is actually judge peter bowers...... We should wait to see if Bob calls these paedo gangs brave

[alfaman]

bobdole said:

I give up. Really do.

good - maybe you'll bugger off then. You seem to be in denial of a major issue.

[Lost_BMW]

bobdole said:

andymadmak said:

Are you trolling bobdole? Serious question.
This thread was not targetted at any specific race. The question asked was how on earth a group of blokes ( of any race) can decide to set up an abuse gang. Who asks who what in order to get started? It beggars belief that someone says " hey guys, great idea i have just had, lets groom and rape some 12 year olds, i know just where to find some vulnerable ones".

It has been pointed out that there are paedos of all races. We know that. All of them are bad. What has been observed however is that some of these bds have formed groups. And it has been further observed that a disproportionally large number of these groups are comprised almost entirely of Asian men. That does not make their actions better or worse than a white group, or a black group or any other group or individual. What people are trying to nderstand as this thread has developed is why most of the groups are Asian, when Asians are a small minority of the population.

But you knew that.

Lol!!!! what answer do expect to get from:

"The question asked was how on earth a group of blokes ( of any race) can decide to set up an abuse gang. Who asks who what in order to get started? It beggars belief that someone says " hey guys, great idea i have just had, lets groom and rape some 12 year olds, i know just where to find some vulnerable ones". "

Do you think if we discuss that long enough we will get some idea of why? Or maybe someone will admit that they are in such a gang?

Get real. The salacious angle that the papers and knuckle dragger's want to focus on is "Gangs of Asian men abuse white girls"

No answers as to how to stop it happening in first place, the real link is young girls not cared for properly, let down by families, let down by police let down by social services.

To help kids not to get run over by a car they made a zebra crossing....they didnt ban cars.

The danger is there, what we need to do is build that zebra crossing for those young girls in care....THAT is what social services and the police are there for! But in these cases they weren't.

And which bit of the zebra crossing do you think is most dangerous eh? The white bit or the black bit!

[CaptainSlow]

Lost_BMW said:

And which bit of the zebra crossing do you think is most dangerous eh? The white bit or the black bit!

Depends on who is on it!

[Lost_BMW]

bobdole said:

Marf said:

The answers have been given, you have chosen to ignore them and instead throw up strawmen about frat houses.

Your comprehension skills appear to be stunted, ergo there is little point debating with you.

The last word is yours bob, go for it.

Frat party wasn't in reference to child abuse, but you'd know that if you could read to a half decent level. It was in reference to above rant from LostBMW actually about bloke in egypt doing what alot of blokes do Friday and Saturday nights in towns across the country...and at frat parties...treat women like objects and rubbish.

Rant my arse.

Doing what other blokes do on weekends across the country my arse.

You haven't bothered to look have you?

It is mass, violent, dangerous abuse by whole swathes of the male population in some of those areas against any hapless female available. You still haven't grasped the key point that the cultural/religious background there encourages the scale and blatant openness of this - it would be utterly shocking if it happened here, say, on the streets of London on a Saturday night, but if course it would not happen here, the cultural norms and expectations do not give the self confident license to the male mobs to behave like this so openly, which is why our pervs operate in smaller groups, as singletons, and in more hidden ways.

But you don't know what we're your talking about, do you?

[Tartan Pixie]

bobdole said:

I'm still yet to get an answer why its worse that they are an Asian group of men as opposed to a white group of men.

Because people fought long and hard against racism and sexism, and hopefully will continue to do so. The crime of pedophilia is abhorrent regardless of who commits it, however these gangs bring an extra dimension where it's culturally ok to be openly racist, sexist and homophobic.

The drive for political correctness was useful in the 80's and shattered a lot of glass ceilings that were preventing minorities from getting jobs in the media, business, politics and elsewhere. Like all good things though if its done to excess it starts to become a problem, such as when the police can't investigate pedophilia cases for fear of accusations of racism.

Looking outside the UK, theocracy (Sharia) is trying to assert itself alongside democracy and communism as one of the world's great power systems. The muslim brotherhood are in the ascendance and their message appears to be that women should be uneducated, rape is acceptable, discrimination on religious grounds is acceptable and gays are the spawn of the devil.

IMO the reason why people put significance on the gangs being asian is because people associate asians with this theocratic spring. It's a crass generalization because only the BNP types have a problem with asians, however I'd suggest that the majority of people in the UK have a problem with bigotry.

Ironically it's the PC crowd who won't allow newspapers to write the word bigot, which results in asians being tarred with the bigot brush, plus womens rights and gay rights campaigners get lumped in with the racists because journalists are too afraid of the PC crowd to say what they mean.

This is the unreported world documentary from Egypt. Is it so wrong that I am appalled by that video? Is it so wrong that I want to protect the equality we have in Britain?

[bobdole]

andymadmak said:

bobdole said:

Mentality is because in this country we give not a fig about our kids in care on the whole, cases like this highlight that fact quite clearly. So we dont as a society care, they get shoved around get into drugs and drink and fall in to the wrong crowds, clearly a predatory male of any colour or race will see that if they let their perversions run amock they can pretty much do what they wish as these are a forgotten group of kids, the under class, the kids that one day we will judge on Jeremy Kyle, ones we will call dole scroungers, scumbags etc etc..
Maybe if we cared more in the first place then they wouldn't be in such desperate situations that they need to hang around blokes older than them for 'free' food, booze and drugs...they probably at first crave the attention of the men...its sad beyond belief, its is shocking and terrible, but its a sad reflection on the UK as a country that we let these kids slip down that slope in the first place.... in care shouldn't mean rolling round the streets aged 12-16 at all hours...

Oh. So its societys fault then. And the kids, well by hanging around older blokes they're just asking for it eh? Craving it eh? Just cos a 13 year old thinks she is mature enough to put out for a swig of vodka and a bag of chips does not in any way whatsoever absolve the perpatrator of his crimes.
You are one sick puppy bobdole. By blaming everyone, including the victims instead of focussing on the perpatrators you are absolutely part of the problem.
That society needs to care better for its more vulnerable members is undoubtedly true. Responsibility for the crime though rests with the perpatrator.
I think you should go troll somewhere else.

Brilliant. So the care system is fine as it is letting young girls roam the streets all hours is it? Get real, so you would allow your daughter if you had one to roam around the streets at night aged 12?

There are men out there who will rape and abuse girls, thats a cold hard fact. So either we remove the abusers (very very difficult as might be first crime so will be on the streets freely) or do you stop the children going into danger situation in first place??

(he's correct...quick call him a troll)

Use some intelligence and ponder that please.

And you are the sick bloke who seems his biggest problem is trying to work out why these gangs want to share it around?

Edited by bobdole on Sunday 9th December 17:21

[Mermaid]

Chill guys Serious issue here, though.

[bobdole]

I lay no blame on the children at all, despite someone trying their best to get over their weak debating skills with spouting tripe.
I lay a hell of alot of the blame at the Rochdale social services and Police, dosent mean i excuse the abusers abhorrent behaviour, just means the children where failed and let down by social services, if they took proper care opf them and the Police believed them then they would not of been abused so frequently...simple really.
If a police force is calling 13 year old prostitutes what hope have they really got?

It all depends on what you as person find the most disturbing in this story, the abuse, or the fact Asian men are abusing white girls....i find the abuse the the most disturbing.

[andymadmak]

bobdole said:

Brilliant. So the care system is fine as it is letting young girls roam the streets all hours is it? Get real, so you would allow your daughter if you had one to roam around the streets at night aged 12?

There are men out there who will rape and abuse girls, thats a cold hard fact. So either we remove the abusers (very very difficult as might be first crime so will be on the streets freely) or do you stop the children going into danger situation in first place??

(he's correct...quick call him a troll)

Use some intelligence and ponder that please.

And you are the sick bloke who seems his biggest problem is trying to work out why these gangs want to share it around?

Edited by bobdole on Sunday 9th December 17:21

You really are a piece of work. This thread is about what motivates groups of men to do this. I and others have freely criticised the police and social services. However, no matter how crap those agencies have been, it does not detract one iota from where the ultimate blame for these crimes lies.
YOU were the one calling the crimes salacious. YOU were the one determined to make allegations of racism.

fk off and troll somewhere else. This subject is far too serious for your games. The victims deserve to be supported. They don't need idiots like you hiding behind PC crap, or seeking to smear them. Craving attention is the phrase you used. You should be ashamed.

[bobdole]

andymadmak said:

bobdole said:

Brilliant. So the care system is fine as it is letting young girls roam the streets all hours is it? Get real, so you would allow your daughter if you had one to roam around the streets at night aged 12?

There are men out there who will rape and abuse girls, thats a cold hard fact. So either we remove the abusers (very very difficult as might be first crime so will be on the streets freely) or do you stop the children going into danger situation in first place??

(he's correct...quick call him a troll)

Use some intelligence and ponder that please.

And you are the sick bloke who seems his biggest problem is trying to work out why these gangs want to share it around?

Edited by bobdole on Sunday 9th December 17:21

You really are a piece of work. This thread is about what motivates groups of men to do this. I and others have freely criticised the police and social services. However, no matter how crap those agencies have been, it does not detract one iota from where the ultimate blame for these crimes lies.
YOU were the one calling the crimes salacious. YOU were the one determined to make allegations of racism.

fk off and troll somewhere else. This subject is far too serious for your games. The victims deserve to be supported. They don't need idiots like you hiding behind PC crap, or seeking to smear them. Craving attention is the phrase you used. You should be ashamed.

Why do you want to know the what motivates men to abuse young girls? Why so keen to discuss that? Surely it's on how to stop abuse of children is the real debate. The answer as to why men abuse children is power, sexual gratification and deep seated issues in childhood themselves, not always but a lot if the time, even to the point of only being able to deal with girls younger than them in conversation as scared of adult women, or reminds them of chikdhood where they couldn't approach girls their age so as adult they are attracted to girls that age still .
As for the gangs of Asian men its purely power and sexual gratification.
I know this as I'm a psychiatrist.

Now shall we discuss how to protect vunerable children from predatory men?

[andymadmak]

bobdole said:

I know this as I'm a psychiatrist.

God help your patients if that is true. Which I doubt.

[bobdole]

andymadmak said:

bobdole said:

I know this as I'm a psychiatrist.

God help your patients if that is true. Which I doubt.

Well starting a thread to gain access to details on why men abuse kids is not without its interest to a psychiatrist that's for sure. I am quite intrigued as to your motives that's for sure.

[andymadmak]

bobdole said:

andymadmak said:

bobdole said:

I know this as I'm a psychiatrist.

God help your patients if that is true. Which I doubt.

Well starting a thread to gain access to details on why men abuse kids is not without its interest to a psychiatrist that's for sure. I am quite intrigued as to your motives that's for sure.

Crap attempt at a smear. Read my first post.

[BliarOut]

bobdole said:

Marf said:

I've read it thanks, something you seem to be failing to do. You appear to skim over people's posts, take offense no matter what they've read then go off on a froth mouthed rant at them.

Would you like a hanky to wipe away the spittle from the corner of your mouth?

Not once have i ranted, not once. Im calm as anything thanks trying to get a simple answer as to why when faced with a terrible story about abuse of young girls at the hands a male gang some people await the race and colour with relish. Surely you should care more about men abusing girls rather than what heritage those men are......child abuse cant be any worse than it already is can it?

Why? It's a cultural issue. The offenders come from a certain part of society.

Blame the girls? Are you really saying 'they are asking for it'?

Just because a girl is outdoors after dark she isn't giving her consent to be raped you know.

Address the behaviour of the offenders and stop looking for ways to excuse their behaviour.